The SF Question

Which of these high-dollar SF options would you pursue with our cap space?

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I don't know how much more mediocre SFs we need in this team. MAM or Outlaw is good enough for me especially we have a new coach who shows capability to get these players to play the way they should ( as role players)

What we really need now is that shot-blocking center to pair with Cousins.
 
Prince_XY said:
I don't know how much more mediocre SFs we need in this team. MAM or Outlaw is good enough for me especially we have a new coach who shows capability to get these players to play the way they should ( as role players)

What we really need now is that shot-blocking center to pair with Cousins.
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Whiteside was a good pair for Cousins, he's a good shot-blocking center.
 
TheBadGuy said:
they didn't give him time to develop and to adjust to the professional level.
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this cannot be solely the Kings' fault. in a league in which shotblocking is at an absolute premium, no other team took a flyer on the guy. he wasn't even good enough to make it in the D-League. he looked really, really good on paper, but he just was never capable of putting it all together.
 
What's your thought on Demar Derozan?
I just run a trade test with the "fish" for Derozan and it works straight up.

Although I like the improvement in Toronto, especially Jonas. They have too many SF in Fields, Novak, Kleiza, Acy, and Rudy Gay.
And yup, I think they will really tank this season to get Wiggins, who is not only the best basketball star in Canadian history.
But run-away #1 in this very strong draft.
Gay is an ender next season, which would damn easy to trade if they land Wiggins.

Derozan's contract is committed for 4 years and actually a nice price at 9.5M.
Although his 3pt is shaky, IMO, he's gonna be a very effective cutter and an ooopp waiting to happen in every play.
If we're gonna commit to Vasquez, better give him a legit high flyer(other than Ben) to toss those nice oops every game.
 
Kingsfan81 said:
didn't get to read the complete article and really havent followed thadddeus young, but could he be a good fit? Looks like philly looking to make some moves, opportunity to move MT if you can include evan turner in the deal...

http://articles.philly.com/2013-10-27/sports/43435153_1_brett-brown-sam-hinkie-lloyd-pierce
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Thadd is an athletic tweener forward, but more of an undersized 4. Think Thomas Robinson but worse at crashing the boards and shooting and slightly better at dribbling. Turner is looking very much like a draft bust at this point. He handles the ball reasonably well and defends okay, but his outside shot is inconsistent at best. They are both mediocre players who would make decent bench options on a good team.
 
Hadlowe said:
Thadd is an athletic tweener forward, but more of an undersized 4. Think Thomas Robinson but worse at crashing the boards and shooting and slightly better at dribbling. Turner is looking very much like a draft bust at this point. He handles the ball reasonably well and defends okay, but his outside shot is inconsistent at best. They are both mediocre players who would make decent bench options on a good team.
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I happen to like Turner a lot. He's a very nice player. I'm assuming you have seen more of him than me by making the claim about how his shooting is inconsistent. Last year he shot 36.5% from three on 2 attempts per game. That's not bad at all. When I look at his split stats by month, he actually was fairly consistent with his 3pt shooting. He struggled in his 11 games in February (o makes in 1.2 attempts per game), but he was very strong every other month last season (45.8% - Nov, 41.9% - Dec, 38.7% - Jan, 36.6% - Mar, 38.9% - Apr). We see a similar pattern in his midrange game. He struggled in February, but the rest of the months he shot above 37% from 16-23 feet and dipping into the 40% range a few months (For reference, D. Wade has shot 36%-42% his whole career from 16-23 feet).

So I guess my point is, what did you see that the stats don't support?

I don't like him playing SF. If we thought Evans was too small to play SF, Turner is too small as well. Despite Turner being taller, Evans has a higher standing reach and weighs more. He seems to be more statistically effective when playing SG (kind of how Evans was when he played SG over SF). With that in mind, I don't think he has a place on this team considering we just drafted McLemore. I did ponder over an Evans/Turner backcourt this offseason before we gave up on Evans. I think that backcourt would have been very tough defensively and very hard to matchup offensively. Unfortunately, that is no longer in the cards for us.
 
KingsCitizen said:
What's your thought on Demar Derozan?
I just run a trade test with the "fish" for Derozan and it works straight up.

Although I like the improvement in Toronto, especially Jonas. They have too many SF in Fields, Novak, Kleiza, Acy, and Rudy Gay.
And yup, I think they will really tank this season to get Wiggins, who is not only the best basketball star in Canadian history.
But run-away #1 in this very strong draft.
Gay is an ender next season, which would damn easy to trade if they land Wiggins.

Derozan's contract is committed for 4 years and actually a nice price at 9.5M.
Although his 3pt is shaky, IMO, he's gonna be a very effective cutter and an ooopp waiting to happen in every play.
If we're gonna commit to Vasquez, better give him a legit high flyer(other than Ben) to toss those nice oops every game.
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If the idea is to spread the floor for Cousins, then DeRozan doesn't fit the bill. I'm not sure I would want to trade for a guy with that much time left on his contract when he's not a good outside shooter. Salmons is out of here after this season, and were clear of his contract except for one mil for next year. The Kings will have just a little room under the cap at that point, and that's without yet resigning any of Patterson, IT, or Vasquez. You make that trade for DeRozan, and you have zero room under the cap, and signing any of the other three would put your further over the cap.

While I'm on that subject, we have until Oct 31st to pick up the option on Jimmer, and to make qualifying offers to Vasquez, Patterson, and IT, which would make them restricted freeagents after this season. We could of course offer extensions to any of them by 0ct 31st as well, just like we did with Cousins. Just to clarify, Jimmer wouldn't be a restricted freeagent like the others, we simply have the option on his contract for next season. If we don't exercise that option however, then Jimmer would become an unrestricted freeagent, as would the other three if we don't at least make qualifying offers.
 
twslam07 said:
I happen to like Turner a lot. He's a very nice player. I'm assuming you have seen more of him than me by making the claim about how his shooting is inconsistent. Last year he shot 36.5% from three on 2 attempts per game. That's not bad at all. When I look at his split stats by month, he actually was fairly consistent with his 3pt shooting. He struggled in his 11 games in February (o makes in 1.2 attempts per game), but he was very strong every other month last season (45.8% - Nov, 41.9% - Dec, 38.7% - Jan, 36.6% - Mar, 38.9% - Apr). We see a similar pattern in his midrange game. He struggled in February, but the rest of the months he shot above 37% from 16-23 feet and dipping into the 40% range a few months (For reference, D. Wade has shot 36%-42% his whole career from 16-23 feet).

So I guess my point is, what did you see that the stats don't support?

I don't like him playing SF. If we thought Evans was too small to play SF, Turner is too small as well. Despite Turner being taller, Evans has a higher standing reach and weighs more. He seems to be more statistically effective when playing SG (kind of how Evans was when he played SG over SF). With that in mind, I don't think he has a place on this team considering we just drafted McLemore. I did ponder over an Evans/Turner backcourt this offseason before we gave up on Evans. I think that backcourt would have been very tough defensively and very hard to matchup offensively. Unfortunately, that is no longer in the cards for us.
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I loved Turner in college, and he's had a similar run in Philly as JT has had with us. No rhyme or reason there. He's a perfect player for a motion offense. Outstanding passer, and for the most part, was a pt forward at Ohio St. His outside shot has improved since college and he's become pretty consistent with it. I tend to agree that he's better at the SG position, but he can play SF if he has to. I have no problem with his ballhandling, and he was a terrific mid-range shooter in college. Personally, I think a lot of his talents have been wasted in Philly, which is why I detect some bitterness in some of his responses lately about the team. His BBIQ is off the charts. Let me put it this way, I'd rather have him than either Thornton or Salmons. He's not the volume shooter that Thornton is, but he's a way better passer and more of a team player.
 
A writer on bleacher report proposed a thorntan and salmons for damer darozan. Hopefully our front office connections can get that trade done ado an has a lot of potential defensively and him and mclemore would be great in transition.
 
randymoss1881 said:
A writer on bleacher report proposed a thorntan and salmons for damer darozan. Hopefully our front office connections can get that trade done ado an has a lot of potential defensively and him and mclemore would be great in transition.
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rather have Rudy Gay or maybe Landry Fields.
 
Isn't derozen a 2? Wouldn't he just be taking minutes from Mclemore? Don't even talk about sliding Derozen over to the 3. I don't think Derozen makes sense for us.
 
Chupacabra said:
Isn't derozen a 2? Wouldn't he just be taking minutes from Mclemore? Don't even talk about sliding Derozen over to the 3. I don't think Derozen makes sense for us.
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I agree. I see him as a SG. You can slide him over to play SF for a little bit, but I wouldn't want him to be a full timer there. His standing reach is 1.5" shorter than Tyreke's standing reach, and we all hated Evans at SF.

They should keep DeRozan at SG. He is easily athletic enough to guard SGs and his size, strength, and length will give him an advantage against them. Keep him at a position where he can succeed.
 
It could get interesting in Utah rumor is Gordon Hayword was askin for 13mill and Utah wouldn't budge from 4/40mill. Hopefully we can clear cap room to offer him 14-14mill a core if mclemore/hayword/cousins could be leather.
Trading thorntan and amnisty Hayes would get us to 39mill before adding new rookies
 
randymoss1881 said:
It could get interesting in Utah rumor is Gordon Hayword was askin for 13mill and Utah wouldn't budge from 4/40mill. Hopefully we can clear cap room to offer him 14-14mill a core if mclemore/hayword/cousins could be leather.
Trading thorntan and amnisty Hayes would get us to 39mill before adding new rookies
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can't amnesty Hayes. his contract was signed after the new cba came into effect and the amnesty rule only works for contracts that were signed before. also, 14M per year for Hayward is a lot. not sure I'd want to pay him that much.
 
jalfa said:
can't amnesty Hayes. his contract was signed after the new cba came into effect and the amnesty rule only works for contracts that were signed before. also, 14M per year for Hayward is a lot. not sure I'd want to pay him that much.
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He's good, but not $14 mil good. At least not yet. And it's not like Cousins where you know the potential for superstardom is there, so you offer the $ ahead of time.

Even at $10mil I'd be skimpy, but would be willing to take a shot at it.
 
Sounds like not only is Gay available, but Evan Turner as well. Of course letting Reke go and then going out and getting Evan Turner to replace him seems kind of pointless, but hey, two words for you: John. Salmons.
 
Not sure how Pete D' Allesandro will play this one...not sure if there's anything imminent brewing for this season, but I guess we will see how he wheels & deals this situation, or whether he just sits back and hopes Luc comes around and gets us through a couple seasons respectfully while he plots what to ultimately do for our future. That being said, in a perfect world, I would want Deng or Granger on this team, but not so much Rudy Gay. I think we need a defensive presence, but someone that commands respect of swing defenders as to create open shots for Benny Mac and the rest of our wing guys, and our interior with DMC. Granger might be too much of a black hole offensively, but does know how to spread the floor, as seen in Indy.
 
Fear the Putin said:
He's good, but not $14 mil good. At least not yet. And it's not like Cousins where you know the potential for superstardom is there, so you offer the $ ahead of time.

Even at $10mil I'd be skimpy, but would be willing to take a shot at it.
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it's difficult. Randy does have a very good point in that Hayward as a second option behind Cuz and with Ben as well is a really good fit. however, we still desperately need a shotblocker next to Cuz, those don't really go under 12M$ and Utah is likely to match anything in the 10-12M range. this would all be a lot simpler if it weren't for that damn Landry signing.
 
jalfa said:
it's difficult. Randy does have a very good point in that Hayward as a second option behind Cuz and with Ben as well is a really good fit. however, we still desperately need a shotblocker next to Cuz, those don't really go under 12M$ and Utah is likely to match anything in the 10-12M range. this would all be a lot simpler if it weren't for that damn Landry signing.
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If we balk at Evans for $11M but pursue Hayward with anything close to $14M, I would be very confused.
 
sdballer said:
If we balk at Evans for $11M but pursue Hayward with anything close to $14M, I would be very confused.
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I was confused about that anyway, but, as far as my read on this new front office goes, I could see them valuing someone like Hayward more than Reke. not to the tune of a 14M offer sheet, necessarily, but due to positional fit and fit with what I think they want from their perimeter players, I could see them offering 12M.
 
jalfa said:
it's difficult. Randy does have a very good point in that Hayward as a second option behind Cuz and with Ben as well is a really good fit. however, we still desperately need a shotblocker next to Cuz, those don't really go under 12M$ and Utah is likely to match anything in the 10-12M range. this would all be a lot simpler if it weren't for that damn Landry signing.
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I agree. I don't think we need offense. The holes we have in the offense are an illusion based on one game. Thornton and/or McLemore will undoubtedly contribute far more in the future. With Landry still on our team, offense is taken care of. Malone has already changed this team's mentality when it comes to defense. Think of what he could do with real defenders on the team. I await Mbah a Moute with interest.

We are absolutely devoid of an interior defensive presence. Any move we make that doesn't address our shot blocker need lessens the the chance that we will have money for a FA or we will use up players useful in a trade. If I were the GM I might make some minor tweaks but the one move that will move us up is a big defender in the middle.

The Landry signing still baffles me as it seemed to slam the door on the idea of having a defensive big. Perhaps Malone's defensive strategy doesn't need a shot blocker. It's hard to imagine..
 
You know, I'm beginning to have a lot more faith in Malone and PDA. I think I'm gonna refrain from any real criticism of Landry at this point until I can see how he fits into the overall scheme of things.
 
If we had a time machine and we could get a 5 years younger Danny Granger, thank ok, I would really be interested. He's not the player he used to be, too many injuries.

Hayward: I like him, but no way I believe he's worth 14 mil. So, if that's the price, I'd say no thank you.

Turner: I really like him. He's getting better every year, and I believe now he is a better player than Tyreke. If he's really available, I'd like to see him in a Kings jersey.
 
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