The SF Question

[randymoss1881]

I would love if we could turn Thornton or Thompson into trever Ariza. He is a great defender he got a bot for defense team and played for malone in New Orleans. He could also hit the 3 and is a vet having a small foward rotation of mbah a moute would give us a deadly defensive combo and both don't need the ball.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

What?

I think we should brace ourselves and expect these kind of talks and deals for another 3-5 years. It seems like it's just the ownership that really changed, but the direction the team is going and style remains the same.

We have a not-so-rich owner in Vivek, a GM who seems like lacking in basketball wisdom, and an unexperienced coach. Let us pray we get Wiggins and hope Cousins decides to mature to at least make the next few years interesting enough until such time we get a new owner, GM, and a good coach.

Onward for the Wiggins' sweepstake!

Go Cousins!

"Well, I guess I don't have a problem with someone like Vivek in theory, but I'd rather hold out for someone with deeper pockets. We don't want to have an owner who would do be considering players like Gerald Greene to play on our team."

 

[The_Jamal]

But but ... patience! FO not done! More trades and moves coming!

"but but... I want to become a title contender in 1 offseason! FO is obviously incompetent because we didn't go sign CP3, Howard, and Smoove!"

 

[The_Jamal]

So you are already wanting a new owner, coach and GM in the span of a few months, and this group hasn't even put the product on the floor for any games, let alone a full season......SMH.

It's amazing how bad our team already is without logging an NBA minute yet.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Bring back Donte!!!

 

[pshn80]

And to think we let Nocioni go. Fortunately we're bringing in a real talent from Cameroon.

 

[KingMilz]

Suns trying to trade Butler (to Bucks reportedly) I would not mind Caron Butler one bit on the Kings as the starting SF we should get in on this.

 

[KingMilz]

Suns trying to trade Butler (to Bucks reportedly) I would not mind Caron Butler one bit on the Kings as the starting SF we should get in on this.

Well that went out the window quick he just got traded to the Bucks

 

[Bricklayer]

Well that went out the window quick he just got traded to the Bucks

Apparently that was an inside job anyway. He wanted to go home (he's from Wisconsin I guess) and so asked to be traded tot eh Bucks. We co0uldn't have really been in the running there.

Besides, people don't like this word/fact, but hey, even Carmicahel Dave hinted at it months ago, and he had a line in at the time: we're probably tanking. Your only other option is we are mind numbingly Maloof level incompetent. That's possible too. Our entire management structure is composed of junior level employees who are all rookies. They might just suck. But more likely, its a philosophy. Suck on purpose. Tank. Its not original, its a waste of the talent we had on the roster, but if you are a rookie management crew, you don't know your personnel, have no stature etc., well one way you try to get your bearings is just tank out and hope to get lucky next draft. Takes pressure off you to be immediately competent, and if you don't know what else to do, go buy a lotto ticket and hope for the home run that'll make it all make sense.

 

[randymoss1881]

Apparently that was an inside job anyway. He wanted to go home (he's from Wisconsin I guess) and so asked to be traded tot eh Bucks. We co0uldn't have really been in the running there.

Besides, people don't like this word/fact, but hey, even Carmicahel Dave hinted at it months ago, and he had a line in at the time: we're probably tanking. Your only other option is we are mind numbingly Maloof level incompetent. That's possible too. Our entire management structure is composed of junior level employees who are all rookies. They might just suck. But more likely, its a philosophy. Suck on purpose. Tank. Its not original, its a waste of the talent we had on the roster, but if you are a rookie management crew, you don't know your personnel, have no stature etc., well one way you try to get your bearings is just tank out and hope to get lucky next draft. Takes pressure off you to be immediately competent, and if you don't know what else to do, go buy a lotto ticket and hope for the home run that'll make it all make sense.

Chad ford said we would love to have a top 5 pick this year in his draft chats back in June.
We won't be worse than Philly, Orlando, and pheonix. The next tier would be sacramento, Utah, Boston, and Charlotte. A top 5 pick would be gold in this draft.

 

[Bricklayer]

Chad ford said we would love to have a top 5 pick this year in his draft chats back in June.
We won't be worse than Philly, Orlando, and pheonix. The next tier would be sacramento, Utah, Boston, and Charlotte. A top 5 pick would be gold in this draft.

It could also be disaster, just in that if our coach is competent, and our center emerges, there is no way we should be able to be Top 5 in this draft. Lots of teams are going to take a dive. So in order for us to even have the Top 5 pick, which still does NOT guarantee us a stud...we almost need either our coach to suck, our current young stud to not pan out, or both. Yay. It will take 25 wins or less. Great rescue plan you dopes.

Anyway, that whole strategy is amateur hour stuff, but hey, I consider our front office amateurs, so I'm hardly shocked.

 

[rainmaker]

It could also be disaster, just in that if our coach is competent, and our center emerges, there is no way we should be able to be Top 5 in this draft. Lots of teams are going to take a dive. So in order for us to even have the Top 5 pick, which still does NOT guarantee us a stud...we almost need either our coach to suck, our current young stud to not pan out, or both. Yay. It will take 25 wins or less. Great rescue plan you dopes.

Anyway, that whole strategy is amateur hour stuff, but hey, I consider our front office amateurs, so I'm hardly shocked.

That's the biggest issue. Can't tank with a talent like Cuz in your team ready to break out into a top 3 center in the near future and is already sick of the losing culture around here. Well we can try, as it seems that's what our FO and ownership group wants, but that could really blow up in their faces. That'd be similar to attempting to tank with a young KG on your team before he's signed an extension. That's not playing with fire, that's playing with live grenades.

You find it odd we heard earlier this summer that Cuz was excited and PDA/Vivek were intent on giving Cuz an extension, and reports were they were sitting down with his agent, then all we've heard since is silence? I do. I'm beginning to think Cuz and his agent are seriously questioning this new regime and will not put pen to paper. If that's the case and we go right ahead and tank, I see little hope Cuz sticks around. He'd be a better man than I as I wouldn't stick around in his position. I'm not sure as a fan I'll even stick around for another rebuild. Just went through 7 years of this ****.

What kind of GM would come on board for a tank job? Not a good one. What kind of an ownership group and FO would think following the Maloof era and 7 years of being a lottery team that coming in, promising change, improvement and a shift in culture, then diving right into a tank job would make any sense and be the clear course of action to take? One that didn't do their homework and has little basketball acumen. You'd think they'd want to build off the momentum from taking over the team, not kill all momentum ASAP.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Anyway, that whole strategy is amateur hour stuff, but hey, I consider our front office amateurs, so I'm hardly shocked.

It also comes from Chad Ford, so we oughtn't dismiss the possibility that he's talking out of his "developmentally-first mouth".

 

[KingsFanGER]

Pick up Beasley as an offensive SF in addition to a defensive stopper like Mbah a Moute?
Dude seems to be a bust, but he is talented.

 

[Bricklayer]

Pick up Beasley as an offensive SF in addition to a defensive stopper like Mbah a Moute?
Dude seems to be a bust, but he is talented.

Unfortunately he's a full 180 degrees around from what we claim we want to see as a culture.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Pick up Beasley as an offensive SF in addition to a defensive stopper like Mbah a Moute?
Dude seems to be a bust, but he is talented.

 

[KingsFanGER]

I realized he struggled with off-the-court-issues, but maybe the experience of being waived by the suns, causes some self-reflection. Depends on his will to get his career back on track, but in his current situation he may be a cheap pickup salarywise.
Don't know that much about his drug use. Is it just smoking pot or something more alarming?
But he is still young, athletic and skilled and has the size to play the 3 and the 4. High Risk but possible high reward.

 

[VF21]

I realized he struggled with off-the-court-issues, but maybe the experience of being waived by the suns, causes some self-reflection. Depends on his will to get his career back on track, but in his current situation he may be a cheap pickup salarywise.
Don't know that much about his drug use. Is it just smoking pot or something more alarming?
But he is still young, athletic and skilled and has the size to play the 3 and the 4. High Risk but possible high reward.

It's repeated violations of the league drug policy... This never ends well when a player is totally unwilling or unable to put down the pipe to earn millions of dollars. High Risk is an understatement. At this point, I cannot imagine any way that a young team trying to put itself back together like the Kings would ever consider taking that kind of chance. He's not worth it.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

But he is still young, athletic and skilled and has the size to play the 3 and the 4. High Risk but possible high reward.

I was on board with giving Beasley a shot about two years ago. But at this point, I can't really agree with the "possible high reward" stance. I don't think he's got any chance of high reward, and not even much of ever becoming a league-average player. I'm not sure I agree with "high risk" either. I'd consider it more "near certainty to end in a humongous fireball".

In the end, you might as well hire me to be your SF. Sure, I'm too old, a foot too short, nowhere near athletic enough and my basketball skill barely keeps me on the pickup court among friends. But hey, at least I won't bring the rest of the team down in flames along with me, and at that kind of salary I'd stay late doing the laundry and polishing the locker room.

 

[Kingsfan81]

Stephen jackson and corey magette are still available. Thoughts?

 

[VF21]

There are good reasons why they're still available. And those are pretty much the same reasons why I'd say, "No thanks."

 

[Jespher]

More news on the small forward front today as the Magic are buying out the 34 year old Hedo Turkoglu and Josh Howard (33) is also continuing to look for a camp invite coming off of recent knee surgery. Given the depth of small forward talent in the 2014 draft, bringing Hedo for 2 years would be a nice stop gap alongside LRMBM for an offense, defense presence. Josh Howard doesn't have the deep range of Hedo, but is younger with a bit more defensive upside as well as an all-star presence previously.

Given the post presence of DMC and Landry, adding a long shooter at the 3 makes sense to space the floor and prevent the defense from clogging the paint. Patrick Patterson has that skill set, but may be a defensive liability at the 3 against quicker wings. Conversely, Hedo may be running on fumes health wise, therefore a camp invite may be more appropriate. I'm sure the fans would welcome him with open arms for the nostalgia factor alone, as well as the fact it would be another warm body that could play small forward. Neither player would boost the roster to playoff contention, but signing either player would be another step forward towards well defined rolls team wide.

 

[HndsmCelt]

The BIG problem remains clearing frigging space at the 3. Bringing in "temp" players only makes sense if they are cheap and a significant upgrade over Salmons/Moute. Otherwise what is thee point?

 

[Chupacabra]

We have two mini PF's and all anyone can think of is how to take time away from Mbah A Moute. Start Mbah A Moute. Keep him on the floor as long as possible.

 

[Jespher]

We have two mini PF's and all anyone can think of is how to take time away from Mbah A Moute. Start Mbah A Moute. Keep him on the floor as long as possible.

Given his recent knee troubles, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. He should really only be playing around 20-30 minutes per night, and rested to reduce wear and tear during a brutal 82 game stretch. If he really is the future of the small forward for the Kings needs to be brought along gradually, rehab, and allowed the opportunity to succeed in time, not worked to the point of injury as the lone messiah to the defense.

 

[Kingsfan81]

I still think stephen jackson would be a good pick up. He gives you 100 percent on the floor. He can brng the ball up he is still an above average defender. He can hit the 3. Hes been healthy most of his career, he likes to prove he still belongs on a team, sure he has his down side attitude. But he can help teach and metor the team on defense. 2 year deal team option year 2 &3 about 3 mill a year could get him here.obviously he also would need to understand his role with the team but i wouldnt mind him starting.

 

[Hadlowe]

I still think stephen jackson would be a good pick up. He gives you 100 percent on the floor. He can brng the ball up he is still an above average defender. He can hit the 3. Hes been healthy most of his career, he likes to prove he still belongs on a team, sure he has his down side attitude. But he can help teach and metor the team on defense. 2 year deal team option year 2 &3 about 3 mill a year could get him here.obviously he also would need to understand his role with the team but i wouldnt mind him starting.

I don't know if you can have any additional headcases on the team. Cousins has trouble keeping the emotions in check as it is, even with a genial type like Donte Greene.

I still like Danny Granger. I know Indiana is going to try to make it work with George at the 2 and Granger at the 3, but you have to think that if we could put together a decent bench package for them, we might be able to coax Granger away, questionable knees and all.

 

[Kingsfan23]

Outlaw said he is in outstanding form, look out!

 

[KingMilz]

With Westbrook out 4-6 weeks after another knee surgery could we maybe sneak in and trade one of our PG's for PJIII or Roberson as medium to long term projects with some potential?

 

[Chupacabra]

With Westbrook out 4-6 weeks after another knee surgery could we maybe sneak in and trade one of our PG's for PJIII or Roberson as medium to long term projects with some potential?

I wouldn't trade IT, Vasquez or Mccallum for either of them.