Its Monday morning just a few days before the trade deadline. Though I would go over some of the rumors being discussed this early. Brad Miller to New York??? Seems that New York is offering up a package that includes Malik Rose expiring contract (over 7mil). Then you have John Salmons rumors of 5 teams inquiring about him including Portland, OKC, and Dallas. Of course Every team is involved in any Amare rumors and of we are. That trade would not consist of just a Miller or Salmons. We would lose at least 1 of our players thought to be part of our future. Will it happen? Who will it be. We will have to see.
Monday morning 2-16-09 trade talks
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It seems like five SAC players are bandied about in deals that would (if I listen correctly) would land some combination of Michael Finley, Amare, Malik Rose, and Jared Jeffries.
The outbound pieces are Miller, Thomas, Thompson, Salmons, and most likely Garcia or Williams.
Is that about what you hear?
The outbound pieces are Miller, Thomas, Thompson, Salmons, and most likely Garcia or Williams.
Is that about what you hear?
Pretty Much I just don't think we are serious players in the Amare talks. I think for that to happen BOTH Miller and Salmons will have to be traded and then talks would begin with PHX about Amare. Salmons trade is the most likely to happen. Miller we would only get Expirings. Salmons we may could get a pick + Finley. We need to try and unload Beno and/or KT as well in those trades. No so much worrid about KT since he is just bench decoration anyway.
Do you think PHX would have interest in 2009 1st, KT, JT, Williams, and Douby? This would fulfill two of their wishes- an early pick, and a blue-chip, plus we sweeten it with an expiring. Combining KT, Nash, and Shaq that is a rather sizable sum (astronomical, really) coming off the books for PHX next year.
As to Salmons, I think the San Antonio deal is the most feasible, and realistic, adding a pick to Finley.
I don't think anyone, sadly, will bite on Beno- at least this year. But if Amare, Finley, a pick, and expiring NY trash from a Miller trade all come and we only have to keep Beno and Moore, I can live with that.
As to Salmons, I think the San Antonio deal is the most feasible, and realistic, adding a pick to Finley.
I don't think anyone, sadly, will bite on Beno- at least this year. But if Amare, Finley, a pick, and expiring NY trash from a Miller trade all come and we only have to keep Beno and Moore, I can live with that.
One name that alot of us are forgetting is Bobby Jackson. He is a proven great bench player and if a team wants to contend this year and they lack depth at the PG or maybe SG spot and want a veteran with playoff experience and is playing well right now. How could Bobby Jackson (expiring) not be mentioned in those talks?
Read this on ESPN this morning.....
The team most capable of satisfying the Suns' desires -- with a combination of cap relief, young talent and a good draft pick -- might actually be Sacramento.
For two reasons:
1. Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley has held firm to his recent pronouncement that the Suns aren't getting the player they lust for: Memphis swingman Rudy Gay.
2. The Kings could move to the top of the list if they were willing to part with rookie forward Jason Thompson, their two biggest expiring contracts (Bobby Jackson and Shelden Williams) and what will almost certainly be a top-five pick in June.
But the Kings aren't willing. Not to part with all that. Not yet, anyway.
Although it has talked with the Suns, Sacramento appears more focused on trying to move center Brad Miller before contemplating anything else, while also continuing to field proposals for in-demand swingman John Salmons.
"We looked at it," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof told ESPN.com when asked about Stoudemire. "Never say never, but right now, no."
Not sure I'd be willing to part with JT and our first round pick for Amare.
The team most capable of satisfying the Suns' desires -- with a combination of cap relief, young talent and a good draft pick -- might actually be Sacramento.
For two reasons:
1. Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley has held firm to his recent pronouncement that the Suns aren't getting the player they lust for: Memphis swingman Rudy Gay.
2. The Kings could move to the top of the list if they were willing to part with rookie forward Jason Thompson, their two biggest expiring contracts (Bobby Jackson and Shelden Williams) and what will almost certainly be a top-five pick in June.
But the Kings aren't willing. Not to part with all that. Not yet, anyway.
Although it has talked with the Suns, Sacramento appears more focused on trying to move center Brad Miller before contemplating anything else, while also continuing to field proposals for in-demand swingman John Salmons.
"We looked at it," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof told ESPN.com when asked about Stoudemire. "Never say never, but right now, no."
Not sure I'd be willing to part with JT and our first round pick for Amare.
Um...Miller/KT and a late first?
Again, we are busily underselling a 4 time all star/All NBA player here. A 26yr old 5x All Star at that.
I am prob the biggest Thompson fan, I wouldnt do it. unless Kenny was included and Houstons pick. not our top 5.
Jason is going to be the face of the Kings in the next 2 years.
Amare's rookie stats
13.5pts 8.8rebs 1 ast (47.5% fg, 66%ft) in 31mins
Thompson's current rookie stats
10.4pts 6.8rebs 1ast (50%fg, 71%ft) 26mins
I just dont think the risk is worth getting fare weather fans back. thompson is a high energy guy who makes an effort to play defense.
Jason is going to be the face of the Kings in the next 2 years.
Amare's rookie stats
13.5pts 8.8rebs 1 ast (47.5% fg, 66%ft) in 31mins
Thompson's current rookie stats
10.4pts 6.8rebs 1ast (50%fg, 71%ft) 26mins
I just dont think the risk is worth getting fare weather fans back. thompson is a high energy guy who makes an effort to play defense.
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Umm, still no. Brooks is nice, but he's not that nice. We're already in position to have plenty of cap space in 2010 if we stand pat - and that's if we think we can convince a marquee FA to actually sign here.
We should be able to get a lot more for Miller and Salmons than a broken-down T-Mac and a 5'10" PG.
We should be able to get a lot more for Miller and Salmons than a broken-down T-Mac and a 5'10" PG.
On the Salmons front:
From RealGM (source - Bee).
I'm down for a deal with either of those two, as long as a pick is included. I don't particularly like Frye, but I'd settle for him as long as Portland throws in one of Batum or Outlaw, or else a 1st rounder. Preferably Batum.
OKC would have to give up Smith and one of their 1sts. Try and even pry two of their later ones away, but that's likely unreasonable.
From RealGM (source - Bee).
I'm down for a deal with either of those two, as long as a pick is included. I don't particularly like Frye, but I'd settle for him as long as Portland throws in one of Batum or Outlaw, or else a 1st rounder. Preferably Batum.
OKC would have to give up Smith and one of their 1sts. Try and even pry two of their later ones away, but that's likely unreasonable.
Amare to Sac would only be for:
1. temporary resting spot to see what he can get on the open market this summer
2. way too much from Sac side.
In any case Amare would not stay in Sac so it becomes a give-away. JT stays no matter what.
Focus would be as many others are saying: Miller in one package and Salmons in another. Williams, KT, Douby and even Brown as filler IF a decent PG is coming back to Kings. Williams has shown a better game the past 2 weeks than any time since the Bibby trade. Would be no surprise if Kings hang on to him. But then again, no surprise if he goes either.
Reality now rears its ugly head for the next 3 days. My bet is all in the basket for salary relief this summer and not giving up either of the 2 first rounders the Kings have. The Kings IMHO will push for draft choices back in any deal. Miller becomes a plus for half-court type offenses and Salmons a plus for a team needing immediate help at the 2-3 positions.
1. temporary resting spot to see what he can get on the open market this summer
2. way too much from Sac side.
In any case Amare would not stay in Sac so it becomes a give-away. JT stays no matter what.
Focus would be as many others are saying: Miller in one package and Salmons in another. Williams, KT, Douby and even Brown as filler IF a decent PG is coming back to Kings. Williams has shown a better game the past 2 weeks than any time since the Bibby trade. Would be no surprise if Kings hang on to him. But then again, no surprise if he goes either.
Reality now rears its ugly head for the next 3 days. My bet is all in the basket for salary relief this summer and not giving up either of the 2 first rounders the Kings have. The Kings IMHO will push for draft choices back in any deal. Miller becomes a plus for half-court type offenses and Salmons a plus for a team needing immediate help at the 2-3 positions.