Vlade4GM
All-Star
They seem more aggressive than ever to get something done, but yes, in the end it's still Geoff Petrie we're talking about. He needs his time to evaluate.
Monday morning 2-16-09 trade talks
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They seem more aggressive than ever to get something done, but yes, in the end it's still Geoff Petrie we're talking about. He needs his time to evaluate.
=LarryLegend=
Starter
I think Salmons will be traded. thats it.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I think That Thompson would be the center and Amare would be the PF. Thompson is 6'11" and Amare is 6'8" without shoes.
nbrans
All-Star
You keep quoting without shoes and listed heights like they are interchangeable, and they're not. The standard is to add 1 1/4 inches to "without shoes" listing for the official height. So it's not like Thompson is really three inches taller than Amare, he's more like one inch taller.
Fear the Putin
Starter
why on earth are we considering trading Thompson?
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I don't think we are.
It's understandable if some would give up Thompson as the main piece for Stoudemire. I mean, let's be realistic, Amare is no joke. He is a very good player. Not a superstar, but a very good player all the same.
Having said that, I would not be interested in a deal involving Jason. I'm on the fence, but Thompson is our most promising young player. Nor would I want to give up our 1st rounder. Which, quite obviously, means I'm out of ways to trade for him.
I'll be happy to see Amare go to some other team. Hopefully, we can get Miller and Salmons out of here, at least one of them. I'd also love to see Beno get the boot. Was never a fan, and I did not like that contract one bit since we gave it to him.
Dreadnought
Bench
I can't believe you guys all think so highly of JT. Isn't he like 22 or 23 already? I really do not see him being nearly as good as Amare ever. And I think our 1st pick will be MUCH MUCH more important to us than JT. Hypothetically speaking if we get the 1st pick, Blake Griffin looks like he would play much better ball.
If the Suns are willing to take Miller/Salmons/JT/Houston's 1st (assuming the prices worked out), then I'd definitely do it.
Don't get me wrong, I like JT a lot. But it just seems like we can't look at his worth based on what we've seen, or else it'll be just like last year when everyone jumped on the Beno wagon and now we have... that. Having Amare would greatly put us back to where we need to be.
If the Suns are willing to take Miller/Salmons/JT/Houston's 1st (assuming the prices worked out), then I'd definitely do it.
Don't get me wrong, I like JT a lot. But it just seems like we can't look at his worth based on what we've seen, or else it'll be just like last year when everyone jumped on the Beno wagon and now we have... that. Having Amare would greatly put us back to where we need to be.
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KCKingsCountry
G-League
That looks more like a draft day deal than trade deadline deal.
nbrans
All-Star
Look, I like Jason Thompson, but he's not a budding superstar. Fans always, always overrate their young players. Go back a few years and look at what Celtics fans were saying about Delonte West, Gerald Green and Tony Allen. You'd think they had three Hall of Famers in the making.
Thompson's good. He looks like he could be a definitely 18/10 type of player. But Amare has already put up 25/9. He's better now than we can reasonably expect Thompson to be.
I know there are concerns beyond just who's better, such as Amare's knees, attitude and contract situation. But if Phoenix wants Jason Thompson, you do it. End of story.
Thompson's good. He looks like he could be a definitely 18/10 type of player. But Amare has already put up 25/9. He's better now than we can reasonably expect Thompson to be.
I know there are concerns beyond just who's better, such as Amare's knees, attitude and contract situation. But if Phoenix wants Jason Thompson, you do it. End of story.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Trading JT for Amare right now would be the stupidest move this organization has made in years. It better not happen, i swear to god. Not only would we lose our best prospect, we would most likely lose next years pick and we would ruin our chances at a top 5 this year. Not to mention he might leave us in two years....this kind of a trade would set the rebuild back YEARS...
nbrans
All-Star
This is ridiculous. The ENTIRE POINT of a rebuild is to end up with a player like Amare Stoudemire. It doesn't mean the rebuild would be over, but suddenly you have a 26 year old nucleus of Kevin Martin and Amare Stoudemire. Suddenly the team is going somewhere rather than just descending into crapitude.
Kings Faithful
Starter
We will have someone like Stoudamire if we want...in 2010!!! All this trade does is ruin our chances at a top 5 pick this year and next year, and at the same time lose a promising Jason Thompson. If we wait til 2010 we can have Amare and a top 5 pick AND a top 10 pick AND Thompson......doesn't that sound more appealing?
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Thompson is 22, AFAIK. Chances are he is not going to be a 5x AS type player, but you never know. He has good size, good athleticism and is a very hard worker. He could surprise a few people. I guess it's all relative, and it's all about opinions. Yours certainly isn't a ridiculous one.
Again, the draft is open to debate, particularly this year. I am a high-pick pusher, I think teams like Sacramento pretty much have to get that franchise player through the draft, and franchise players are usually gotten in the top picks. This year, however, there is no sure thing. Griffin looks very good, but is he big enough? Can he develop the offense to be an all-star? Personally, I think he can. He is an elite athlete and I don't see him as small as others do. If he's 6'9'' in shoes, he's fine.
Again, though, it's all irrelevant. We don't know we'll be in a position to draft Griffin, nor do we know if he'll even turn out to be a decent player. Likewise for everyone else. We know Thompson can play, and he's shown the hunger and desire to improve.
The main point is that Stoudemire is not going to improve us a great deal by himself. He will get us 6-10 extra wins, but I doubt we're a playoff team. He is not a franchise player. Which leaves us with the question: Where do we get one? Through the draft. But Stoudemire is keeping us out of prime position.
I'm hot and cold here. I'd rather we keep Thompson and our 1st and just concentrate on moving Miller and Salmons. But, I won't be distraught if we do trade for him (I do think it's unlikely anyway).
Entity
Hall of Famer
Just looking at the progression of JT thus far into the season. I don't see how you wouldn't think he would ever be NEARLY as good as Amare. what numbers do you think Amare would put up on this team in his rookie season?
Now What do you think JT could do with Steve Nash and Shaq Drawing double teams on the opposite side of the lane.
To be quite honest I think if you compare rookie seasons and the players around them. JT is the better player of the 2 at that point. Now the question is how much better can JT get? I eluded to the progression of him thus far this season and how quickly it has come. Take away the foul trouble (rookie mistakes) and he is easily a 15pt 10reb guy on any given night. Next year some kinks are worked out and he gets more comfortable with the NBA game and maybe get some more talent around him. Then he may turn into a 15-20pt 10-12reb guy every night. I just don't see given the lack of experience the JT and the experience that Amare has how Amare is head and shoulders better than JT in a prorated situation.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Exactly. Right now I can only see two of Thompson's on-court stats being potentially at the elite level, given time--his scoring and his rebounding. Once he gets further acclimated to the flow of the game and stops hacking players for chippy fouls, I think the offense will come naturally to him. His rebounding has really picked up. But you can already tell that he won't be much of a shotblocker in the NBA--that much is certain, despite his mobility--and his defense isn't up to par yet. It's a bit of a concern because he came out as a college senior (albeit a young one), and at 22 years old he's several years older than Hawes as is. I get the impression he's more of a super role player who will hustle, provide the rebounding explosion, and play a solid inside-outside game at his peak, but little more than those three attributes--an 18/10 guy sounds reasonable.
Amare, at age 26, is a 25-9 type player. It's obvious if we even have a chance of getting him, Jason will need to go--they will want him. Thompson, B-Jax, Shelden Williams and our lottery first rounder this year apparently appeases the Suns, and if we value Stoudemire that much we should jump on it. Kevin Martin-Stoudemire is a pretty good duo, and once we get rid of Salmons and Miller and KT and get younger talent, it should make us a pretty respectable team (maybe even a fringe playoff team) in the long run. KMart is at his prime, and if we want to keep him we shouldn't waste it--we need a great complementary player so we can potentially see those 50-40-high 80 shooting percentages resurface.
tradepeja
Starter
Pass me whatever you are smoking, please.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
2010 is not going to be the saviour of every team with capspace. That's not how it works. And I seriously doubt that out of all the teams with cap space that summer, Amare is going to choose Sacramento. 2010 is being pushed as such a huge off-season that it's likely going to be an anti-climax. One or two big name moves, and that's it.
Not that I'm in favour of getting Stoudemire (I guess I'm impartial), but he is a big talent that we most likely are not going to be able to sign in 2010.
Kings Faithful
Starter
How come everyone is having such a hard time grasping this...why would we throw our chances away at a for sure top 3 pick and Jason Thompson for an extra 5-10 wins this year and next.....we are still not a playoff team, he leaves us in 2010 and we are exactly where we would have been if we had never traded for him at all, EXCEPT without a top 3 pick and Thompson. This trade doesn't make any sense to me at all, im sorry...
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Amare, if I'm not mistaken, was drafted out of highschool, which means his rookie season would have been as an 18 year old, compared to Thompsons at 22.
I'm not opposed to giving up Thompson or our 1st rounder, but I wouldn't give up both as the main pieces. I think that's over-paying, considering it's a very real possibilty that Amare bolts next year.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
That's the worry involved. That's worst case scenario, but it could easily happen. It's the reason I'm not too pushed over this deal, particularly if Pho are looking for both Thompson and our 1st this year.
Kings Faithful
Starter
That is my point...he isn't going to sign with us. Trading for him now and having him miss the playoffs for 2 years is NOT going to make him want to resign with us... people want to compare him to Webber, but no...Webber was on a winning chemistry filled Kings team before deciding to resign. Amare would be on a lackluster crap fest that seems to be making no improvement what soever. Big diffference...big enough for him not to resign with us.
nbrans
All-Star
I agree that Thompson and our first would be too much, particularly given what other teams are offering. Thompson is better than any other young player that's rumored to be included in this deal. Throw in Houston's 1st to compensate for Mikki Moore not being as good as Drew Gooden and other veteran filler, but I really don't see any reason it should take both Jason Thompson AND our 1st to get the deal done.
And if Amare results in 5 more wins and we get, say, the #6 pick instead of the #1, so be it. I'd much rather come away from this season with Teague/Amare than Griffin/Thompson.
And I really think Amare would re-sign. Money talks 99% of the time, and there's a reason so few free agents leave.
And if Amare results in 5 more wins and we get, say, the #6 pick instead of the #1, so be it. I'd much rather come away from this season with Teague/Amare than Griffin/Thompson.
And I really think Amare would re-sign. Money talks 99% of the time, and there's a reason so few free agents leave.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I know, I'm agreeing with you, dude!
I agree with that, but mainly because I really like Teague. Just wish Wake would let him play point full time. Summers is really dumb with the ball.
Kings Faithful
Starter
I agree with this as well. But the only way I consider trading Thompson is if we keep our 2009 lottery pick.
Kings Faithful
Starter
K, your first paragraph felt like you were arguing my point against me...so i wasn't sure...
Entity
Hall of Famer
I have 2 major concerns about Amare. #1 is his knees and #2 is the caliber of players he has played with. When he comes to the Kings he won't be playing with Steve Nash, Shaq, Marion, Marburn, Grant Hill. he will be playing with Spencer Hawes, Beno, Kevin, and who knows. Do you think he can get 25/9 as the best player on the team and drawing double teams and not getting prcision passes delivered to him? Not to mention how much we have to pay him therefore vioding our chances to get another player that is high quality.
Kings Faithful
Starter
In all honesty he will probably average more. The thing about Amare on the suns was the more they went to him the better he played. Sure Nash might of helped, but not to the point where he will suck if he doesn't have nash. He would definitely be THE MAN on the Kings and he would probably dominate.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Has anyone heard that the Nets are offering Stromile Swift for Mikki Moore back? I'd take it.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
K, your first paragraph felt like you were arguing my point against me...so i wasn't sure...
I am trying to be objective as I'm not fully on either side for this proposal. So, it probably looks as if I'm arguing for both sides so far! I'm probably leaning towards your side, though...
He certainly would not suck, but the above is very debatable. It's amazing what playing with an elite PG and good team mates can do.
Circa_1985_Fan
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