Kings active in trade talks?

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Bricklayer

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Would love to have Miller but they'd never take on Landry. Hickson is giving them the same production per minute as Landry, with better rebounding. Denver is looking for a big man defender as well.

The only two valuable trade pieces we have left are IT and McLemore and if we're going to trade them we better be looking at getting the perfect piece that were missing to build this team into a playoff contender.

Thornton has completely screwed us by playing like crap and giving himself absolutely no value on the trade market other than "maybe he'll turn it around". Thompson has decent trade value but he's likely to be lumped in with IT or McLemore for a bigger trade if it's going to happen. It's hard to trade Thompson straight up for someone because his value on the market is probably lower than his value to this team.
The one x-factor with Landry/DEN, if he weren't hurt, if he weren't the coach's apparent pet, is that Shaw was quiote explicit in preseason about the shrotcomings of his big men, that he wanted them to be able to play in the post, but the former regime had just accumulated a bunch of runners with no interior offensive game. Well, Landry can post. Can't pass, which is the other thing you want a triangle big to do, but can certainly post.
 
So Houston want a first rounder included for Asik, and Lakers (in theory, probably not reality) could offer up Pau. Now Houston may not want him (despite their previous infatuation with him), which is where we could come in if we hadn't messed up with the Hickson trade. Landry/Filler/1st Rounder to Houston, Asik + Lin to Lakers, Pau to Kings.

A month later, IT/McLemore/Thompson/future 1st to Boston for Rondo...

Rondo/Thornton/Gay/Gasol/Cousins. BOOM.

(And no, you're NOT allowed to expose the multiple flaws in this :p)
 
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KingMilz

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If we are not going to bother using Williams (which we should he can be good) than I say package him to the Nets since they need young talent with one of our terrible contracts like Landry for Paul Pierce expiring deal, with Lopez going down for the year, I'm pretty sure the Nets will be looking for young talent.

If we are just going to take his playing time away lets stop wasting his and our time and package him to a team needing young talent, seriously 11mins and he has done nothing to loss playing time (even with Gay he should see plenty off time).
 
If we are not going to bother using Williams (which we should he can be good) than I say package him to the Nets since they need young talent with one of our terrible contracts like Landry for Paul Pierce expiring deal, with Lopez going down for the year, I'm pretty sure the Nets will be looking for young talent.

If we are just going to take his playing time away lets stop wasting his and our time and package him to a team needing young talent, seriously 11mins and he has done nothing to loss playing time (even with Gay he should see plenty off time).
I don't know if Landry is going anywhere short of some type of cousins deal. He was considered moderately overpaid before he spent the season injured. You hate to use the word immovable but with him it looks to apply
 

dude12

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I don't know if Landry is going anywhere short of some type of cousins deal. He was considered moderately overpaid before he spent the season injured. You hate to use the word immovable but with him it looks to apply
Landry is not immovable. There would be several teams who would be more than willing to acquire him, the Clippers were aggressive in pursuing him during FA, but I highly doubt we are looking to dump him. Malone loves the guy and Landry played some of his best ball with Malone and GS. I'd like to see Landry playing with us before he's labeled an immovable contract.
 
Landry is not immovable. There would be several teams who would be more than willing to acquire him, the Clippers were aggressive in pursuing him during FA, but I highly doubt we are looking to dump him. Malone loves the guy and Landry played some of his best ball with Malone and GS. I'd like to see Landry playing with us before he's labeled an immovable contract.
I guess I would have to re-read about the signing but I don't remember any team looking to give Landry the numbers we gave him.Injuries I feel are often underrated on this forum but they are variables that can potentially affect careers and they damage value. In any event it will be interesting how Landry looks when he comes back
 

Glenn

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I guess I would have to re-read about the signing but I don't remember any team looking to give Landry the numbers we gave him.Injuries I feel are often underrated on this forum but they are variables that can potentially affect careers and they damage value. In any event it will be interesting how Landry looks when he comes back
Landry's injury was a torn muscle and as such is not a recurring type of injury. There is no reason to expect it eventually will limit his play. I say "eventually" as I suspect he will be slowed until full strength returns.
 
Landry's injury was a torn muscle and as such is not a recurring type of injury. There is no reason to expect it eventually will limit his play. I say "eventually" as I suspect he will be slowed until full strength returns.
I'm not saying his injury should alter his career just that I think it's a negative to his current value. If you were the GM of the Clippers would you prefer him healthy and active or experiencing what he is
 

Glenn

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I'm not saying his injury should alter his career just that I think it's a negative to his current value. If you were the GM of the Clippers would you prefer him healthy and active or experiencing what he is
It would make no difference. At present he is nothing different than a guy who has pulled a muscle and needs time off to rehab. Didn't Shaq require surgery on an abdominal muscle? I think so. I'll look it up.
 

dude12

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Sanders contract is crazy after this year. 11+ million a year. If you make that move you better be sure.
Yeah I think I would pass on him at that contract amount.....certainly would seem like a guy that would fit but at that price....no. We may end up with a better option in the draft....and or a whole lot cheaper
 

Bricklayer

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1) Sam Amico, not Sam Amick

2) because the Bucks got stupid on the contract after 1 good season, acquiring Sanders would now basically recreate the OKC salary structure. Contract 1: Durant/Cousins, Contract 2: Westbrook/Gay; Contract 3: Ibaka/Sanders. Then you have to shed as much unnecessary baggage as possible after that. Have maybe one $6mil guy or 2 MLE, and then cheap stuff. Its possible, but Sanders then HAS to be this mythological Sanders MIL fans were spouting about. best defensive player in the league! etc. etc.
 
1) Sam Amico, not Sam Amick

2) because the Bucks got stupid on the contract after 1 good season, acquiring Sanders would now basically recreate the OKC salary structure. Contract 1: Durant/Cousins, Contract 2: Westbrook/Gay; Contract 3: Ibaka/Sanders. Then you have to shed as much unnecessary baggage as possible after that. Have maybe one $6mil guy or 2 MLE, and then cheap stuff. Its possible, but Sanders then HAS to be this mythological Sanders MIL fans were spouting about. best defensive player in the league! etc. etc.
I'd take Ibaka everyday and three times on Sunday.
 

bajaden

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I can certainly understand the Bucks wanting to move Sanders, but I really doubt that they'll get many takers. Four more years after this one at 11 mil a year is hard to swallow for a player that had just one good year, and has hardly played this year. right now, their getting almost the same production from Henson as they did Sanders last season, and they only have to pay him around 3 mil on average for the next couple of year. Then throw Giannis Antetokounmpo, (what a mouth full) into the mix, who is proving to be a pretty good defender, and Sanders becomes irrelevant.

Just not sure I would do it. Maybe if they take back Thornton and Thompson to balance the books a little for a couple of years. Naw, I think I'll pass.
 
1) Sam Amico, not Sam Amick

2) because the Bucks got stupid on the contract after 1 good season, acquiring Sanders would now basically recreate the OKC salary structure. Contract 1: Durant/Cousins, Contract 2: Westbrook/Gay; Contract 3: Ibaka/Sanders. Then you have to shed as much unnecessary baggage as possible after that. Have maybe one $6mil guy or 2 MLE, and then cheap stuff. Its possible, but Sanders then HAS to be this mythological Sanders MIL fans were spouting about. best defensive player in the league! etc. etc.
Gay expires next year and I really think he will opt out anyway, he talked about doing that like Igudaula and going to a contender plus getting a long term deal.
 
How does Larry Sanders salary count towards a trade this year, since he is owed only $3mil this year and then $11 mil per year for 4 years?

I would definitely consider it if they take back either MT or JT salary in return. I can definitely see Milwaukee trading him away in a salary dump, before his stock drops even more, now that John Henson has his starting spot
 

bajaden

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How does Larry Sanders salary count towards a trade this year, since he is owed only $3mil this year and then $11 mil per year for 4 years?

I would definitely consider it if they take back either MT or JT salary in return. I can definitely see Milwaukee trading him away in a salary dump, before his stock drops even more, now that John Henson has his starting spot
The total contract has to be taken into consideration and not just what he's making this year. This prevents teams from back loading contracts and using just the first year of a contract to make a trade work, or to take on a large contract in freeagency, which in the following years would take you over the cap because of the backloaded contract.
 
The total contract has to be taken into consideration and not just what he's making this year. This prevents teams from back loading contracts and using just the first year of a contract to make a trade work, or to take on a large contract in freeagency, which in the following years would take you over the cap because of the backloaded contract.
How would that work on a trade. I tried some realgm trades and none of them said that salaries worked out for trade.

Would it even be possible to trade for Sanders this season?
 
What I would be worried with Larry Sanders is the MT syndrome. Play great in the contract season and then just back to earth the rest of the contract, until it is contract time again.

MT was off the hook the 1/2 year the Kings traded midseason for him and then got the big contract and then back to a high volume chucker. Larry Sanders had one really good season with the Buck and they gave him a $44 million/4 year contract. It may be worth a gamble to put a rim protector next to Cousins, but PDA really dropped the ball by shipping away Robin Lopez to Portland.
 
How does Larry Sanders salary count towards a trade this year, since he is owed only $3mil this year and then $11 mil per year for 4 years?
I would definitely consider it if they take back either MT or JT salary in return. I can definitely see Milwaukee trading him away in a salary dump, before his stock drops even more, now that John Henson has his starting spot
Trades with Poison Pill contract require either cap space or trade exception. In a trade Sanders would count as $3 million contract for Bucks and $11 million for his new team. It means that Bucks can take back only up to $4,6 million in salary (150%+$100,000), but Kings have to send out at least $7,266,000 [($11,000,000-$100,000)/150%]
The difference as you see is $2,666,000 and a contract(-s) of at least sush a value has to be sent by Kings to a third team with cap space or trade exception.
That's why trades with such contracts are rare.
P.S. As always you can read it in CBA FAQ: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88.
 
Trades with Poison Pill contract require either cap space or trade exception. In a trade Sanders would count as $3 million contract for Bucks and $11 million for his new team. It means that Bucks can take back only up to $4,6 million in salary (150%+$100,000), but Kings have to send out at least $7,266,000 [($11,000,000-$100,000)/150%]
The difference as you see is $2,666,000 and a contract(-s) of at least sush a value has to be sent by Kings to a third team with cap space or trade exception.
That's why trades with such contracts are rare.
P.S. As always you can read it in CBA FAQ: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q88.
I think the Kings have a trade exception of $2+ million from the Rudy Gay Trade. Can they use it with MT or JT contract to trade for Sanders?
 
I tried several different scenarios on ESPN trade machine and I don't think it is possible to trade for Sanders because his contract extension doesn't kick in until next year.

If we are interested in Sanders, I think the Kings will have to wait until the off season to make a trade. But, by that point, he will have either played poorly or very well. So the Bucks will either to try Salary dump him (if he plays poorly) or ask for a lot more in a trade (if he plays well).
 
Someone who is cheaper and probably available is Samuel Dalembert from Dallas. Looks like he barely gets on the floor now and they may try to move him to get something to help Dirk make a run in the playoffs.
 

bajaden

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Someone who is cheaper and probably available is Samuel Dalembert from Dallas. Looks like he barely gets on the floor now and they may try to move him to get something to help Dirk make a run in the playoffs.
The reason he can't get off the bench is because he's out of shape, and playing poorly. Plus, he's just another short term fix at best. The Kings are trying to put a team together that can grow together. Dalembert doesn't fit that scerario.
 
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