Kings active in trade talks?

[swisshh]

These are the moves of a team that is cashing out on the season. I am curious to see how the players respond.

For all the talk, there's been no culture change. Things may not be the huge, laughable mess they were before, but things are not good either.

 

[bajaden]

if gay doesn't opt out, i still think they eat the cost of re-signing thomas, unless it approaches the obscene. even if they're jumping up and down like idiots over their 2014 draft selection, as they were with mclemore, they just can't risk bleeding talent, and the chances of executing a sign-and-trade of thomas, as they did with tyreke evans, are pretty slim...

now, personally i think it's foolish to throw a bunch of money at an undersized chucker with an aversion to defense that edges you into luxury tax territory when you're a basement-dweller. it's why i was such a staunch proponent of shopping isaiah thomas as part of a larger package in advance of the deadline. after cousins and gay, and considering that the kings' 2014 draft pick can't be traded until draft day, isaiah thomas was the team's most valuable and movable asset, and they would have been selling at an all-time high...

the rumors were that IT could be had for the right deal, but i never got the sense that PDA was aggressively attempting to trade him. now he will likely have to ask his owner to swallow a luxury tax bill for a losing team. bummer for vivek, but i think he'll take it on the chin in the hopes that PDA will continue improving the team's competitive chances heading into next season...

You hit on a point I wanted to make. And that's, do you go over the luxury tax threshold on a team that's in the lottery? I can justify it on a contender, but on a team that's last in the western division? Personally, there's no way I would do it, and it has nothing to do with how I feel about IT. The last thing I want to do is replicate the Atlanta Hawks, where you just make the playoffs every year, but go out in the first or second round. If management doesn't think that IT can lead them to the promised land, then you don't resign him to be your starting PG. If you want to sign him to be your sixth man off the bench. Fine, but then you resign him for sixth man off the bench money. If you can't resign him for that amount, then you either do a sign and trade, if possible, or you let him walk. What you don't do, is resign him just to keep from bleeding talent. Sometimes its better to do nothing, than to do something stupid.

 

[bajaden]

That sounds like a line from the "Maloofs' manual for running a professional franchise"

In basketball terms, it serves no purpose what so ever. The money that we get is probably just slightly more than what the buyout is going to cost and we give up a 2nd rounder albeit heavily protected and unlikely to ever be conveyed.

To me this move looks like a, "I'll scratch your back, and maybe somewhere down the road, You'll scratch mine". It looks like they were doing the Heat a favor. Nothing less and nothing more. I doubt the money was an incentive, other than to cover the cost of the buyout.

 

[swisshh]

We did Boston a ton of favors during the Maloof era and none of those particular favors were ever returned. You want something good in return, you make sure its in writing.

 

[LPKingsFan]

You hit on a point I wanted to make. And that's, do you go over the luxury tax threshold on a team that's in the lottery? I can justify it on a contender, but on a team that's last in the western division? Personally, there's no way I would do it, and it has nothing to do with how I feel about IT. The last thing I want to do is replicate the Atlanta Hawks, where you just make the playoffs every year, but go out in the first or second round. If management doesn't think that IT can lead them to the promised land, then you don't resign him to be your starting PG. If you want to sign him to be your sixth man off the bench. Fine, but then you resign him for sixth man off the bench money. If you can't resign him for that amount, then you either do a sign and trade, if possible, or you let him walk. What you don't do, is resign him just to keep from bleeding talent. Sometimes its better to do nothing, than to do something stupid.

Well, even 6th man off the bench money could put the team into the tax. Thus, even trying to keep talent at a reasonable price might mean a one-year foray into the tax simply because it's so hard to move all the dead weight out. Sure, they didn't help themselves with the Landry deal, but, yikes, even the playoff-desperate Cavs didn't think Thompson was worth the money!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Well, even 6th man off the bench money could put the team into the tax.

Has anyone heard Ranadive say that he's unwilling to pay the tax?

 

[Entity]

Has anyone heard Ranadive say that he's unwilling to pay the tax?

Nope

 

[Jkbiker]

Well after the Thorton Trades we have 10 contracts Assuming gay takes the 19.3 with a total Salary of 66.5 Mil
From High to low:

C - Cousins 13.7M
PF- Landry 6.7M, JT 6M, RegEvans 1.7
SF - Gay 19.3M,DWill 6.7M,Outlaw 3M
SG- BenM 3M,
PG- Jason Terry 5.4M, RayM .8M

So We need a starting PG, Backup defensive Big (Maybe Reggie?),Backup SG(Maybe Jason?)

So looks like to me It would depend on Draft to get a Defensive Big/Or Starting PG?
With Draft pic 3-4 mil If next year Lux tax is at 75Mil May only have 5-6 mil after the Draft Pick to get into Tax zone
So if we don't draft a starting PG, and we don't have the mullah to resign IT?
We are stuck with a mid-level exception to get a starting PG?
Get Smart or Exum in draft then use midlevel for a defensive backup C
If no PG in draft then work on IT signing
Is Jason Terry a Bench 1 or a 2 Combo Guard?

 

[steelevt]

We did Boston a ton of favors during the Maloof era and none of those particular favors were ever returned. You want something good in return, you make sure its in writing.

Maybe we were returning the favor of Mia siding with sacramento during the Seattle ordeal.

 

[peacelate]

We did Boston a ton of favors during the Maloof era and none of those particular favors were ever returned. You want something good in return, you make sure its in writing.

It depends on what the Maloofs were asking in return.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

We did Boston a ton of favors during the Maloof era and none of those particular favors were ever returned. You want something good in return, you make sure its in writing.

I believe they paid us in cash money for those favors.

 

[randymoss1881]

I don't think we will resign IT. We are gonna draft a pg between exum, smart, or Ennis. It will make McCallum our backup then we can save that money for positions in need.

 

[upinsmoke]

BTW I was just thinking this should end this thread called "Kings active in trade talks?"

 

[mac]

I still question PDA's decision to hold on to Ben McLemore. Now it's pure speculation of course, but if that was the dealbreaker in us getting Rondo I'd be frikin p*ssed. McLemore hasn't proven anything. NADA. Why the FO loves him so much is beyond me. It's not only a matter of him not showing promise (which I am willing to be patient for), but assuming the Kings continue this style of offense under Malone it just makes no sense whatsoever even if Ben did turn into a reliable scorer. Just look at the touches that MT got, and he's a proven 20 point scorer!

 

[The_Jamal]

That sounds like a line from the "Maloofs' manual for running a professional franchise"

In basketball terms, it serves no purpose what so ever. The money that we get is probably just slightly more than what the buyout is going to cost and we give up a 2nd rounder albeit heavily protected and unlikely to ever be conveyed.

No, it's a good management move for normal teams. Management move. Not basketball. You never turn down free money. Maloofs made it a goober move because everything they did was about them saving money. New FO obviously doesn't prescribe to that notion

 

[LPKingsFan]

Has anyone heard Ranadive say that he's unwilling to pay the tax?

Nope. Was just responding to baja's assertion that it wouldn't be worth it to pay the tax next year. The fact is that, unless Gay opts out, they could very well be in tax land even if IT returns at a very reasonable rate.

 

[KingsCitizen]

All roads lead to Dante Exxum!

 

[rainmaker]

To me this move looks like a, "I'll scratch your back, and maybe somewhere down the road, You'll scratch mine". It looks like they were doing the Heat a favor. Nothing less and nothing more. I doubt the money was an incentive, other than to cover the cost of the buyout.

Maybe so, but the last place team in the West shouldn't be running a charity IMO.

 

[VF21]

End of the trade talks thread for 2013/2014.