Kings active in trade talks?
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First off, very few GM's are going to tell you exactly whats going on until they something substantial to talk about. I've listened to many interviews with PDA and I never got the feeling that he was lying. Quite the contrary, I thought he was pretty upfront about what he could, and could not talk about. As far as the Landry signing, obviously they didn't discuss it with me before hand, but unlike some others, I can see some of the logic behind it.
First they missed on a couple of signings. Iggy and Calderon. Secondly, both PDA and Malone are very familar with Landry. Personally I think they signed Landry with the idea of bringing him off the bench. I also think that they intended from the beginning to blow up this team, and Landry was nice insurance if either Patterson or JT was traded for something other than another PF. Landry is familiar with Malone's system, and is a good lockerroom presence. I don't think there's much more to it than that. Would he have been my choice? No! Unfortunately, I didn't have the money to put up to buy the team. At any rate, I don't see it as some sort of disaster.
First they missed on a couple of signings. Iggy and Calderon. Secondly, both PDA and Malone are very familar with Landry. Personally I think they signed Landry with the idea of bringing him off the bench. I also think that they intended from the beginning to blow up this team, and Landry was nice insurance if either Patterson or JT was traded for something other than another PF. Landry is familiar with Malone's system, and is a good lockerroom presence. I don't think there's much more to it than that. Would he have been my choice? No! Unfortunately, I didn't have the money to put up to buy the team. At any rate, I don't see it as some sort of disaster.
This isn't a matter of a GM playing his game close to the vest. It is a matter of us being told that we are going to develop a defensive team and at the same time letting 4 players go who could play defense; Tyreke, Douglas, Cole, and Mbah a Moute. I don't think we got anyone to replace Tyreke who can play defense. I don't think there is any argument about that. We replaced Cole with D'Daiye. Not sure what we did about replacing Douglas. We replaced our best defender.
There are good explanations for why we didn't sign these players and why we traded Mbah a Moute, I am sure. The reason cannot be that we let them go in order to develop a defensive team. It is a matter of what is said and what is done. Our signings have NOT been done to improve our defense.
There are good explanations for why we didn't sign these players and why we traded Mbah a Moute, I am sure. The reason cannot be that we let them go in order to develop a defensive team. It is a matter of what is said and what is done. Our signings have NOT been done to improve our defense.
May just be me. PDA just is what he is I guess. A liar may take it too far, I admit. He just reeks of management, the kind I don't care for, slick talking politician type. But that's fine, he certainly doesn't need my support.
Honestly, if he turns this team around, he can be however he wants to be. And you are right, the Landry signing isn't on it's own a disaster. It's just combined with all the other 3-7 million players you get a big pile of dookie. And like dookie on the street, it just sits there and stinks. And it's not easy to get rid of that stank.
Clear all of them out and leave Landry and a bunch of youth, it'd be ok. I want that now dammit!
Honestly, if he turns this team around, he can be however he wants to be. And you are right, the Landry signing isn't on it's own a disaster. It's just combined with all the other 3-7 million players you get a big pile of dookie. And like dookie on the street, it just sits there and stinks. And it's not easy to get rid of that stank.
Clear all of them out and leave Landry and a bunch of youth, it'd be ok. I want that now dammit!
Well, Douglas lost his spot to GV and McCallum coming in. Simply no room for him on the team with IT (better player) GV(Guy we traded Reke for, also better player) and one of the new FO "guys" in McCallum as our project.
Cole and N'daiye are basically an equal swap. 5th bigs who get occasional minutes when injuries or foul trouble happen Cole has played a grand total of 14 mins for the Knicks, who regularly trot out Bargs and Amare together. Doesn't exactly bode well for his career and not really a team-breaker for us.
Hated losing Mbah, but I also understand the move. Williams can play a huge role in what our upcoming draft pick is. As of this second, I think everyone is praying we end up with Wiggins or Parker somehow. But what if Williams shows flashes of being a quality SF and starts to tap into his potential? Ends the season at 15pts, 6-7rpg on 46-48% shooting? All of a sudden, that possibly opens up the opportunities for what direction we can pick at the top of the draft. There's some real potential with a McLemore,William,Embiid,Cousins, IT core. Or Smart. Or Exum. Or Randle.
As for Reke, we've come out on the better end of that deal, so far at least. He's had some strong games, but he simply does not resemble an $11mil/year player. The Pelicans aren't the best fit for him, but the excuses start running dry when you get a $40 mil contract. You're expected to perform no matter the circumstance.
Basically, a long-winded explanation that we're still looking for the guys we want to build around before we start plugging in the Thabo, Chris Anderson, Battier, Mbah a Moute type players.
Cole and N'daiye are basically an equal swap. 5th bigs who get occasional minutes when injuries or foul trouble happen Cole has played a grand total of 14 mins for the Knicks, who regularly trot out Bargs and Amare together. Doesn't exactly bode well for his career and not really a team-breaker for us.
Hated losing Mbah, but I also understand the move. Williams can play a huge role in what our upcoming draft pick is. As of this second, I think everyone is praying we end up with Wiggins or Parker somehow. But what if Williams shows flashes of being a quality SF and starts to tap into his potential? Ends the season at 15pts, 6-7rpg on 46-48% shooting? All of a sudden, that possibly opens up the opportunities for what direction we can pick at the top of the draft. There's some real potential with a McLemore,William,Embiid,Cousins, IT core. Or Smart. Or Exum. Or Randle.
As for Reke, we've come out on the better end of that deal, so far at least. He's had some strong games, but he simply does not resemble an $11mil/year player. The Pelicans aren't the best fit for him, but the excuses start running dry when you get a $40 mil contract. You're expected to perform no matter the circumstance.
Basically, a long-winded explanation that we're still looking for the guys we want to build around before we start plugging in the Thabo, Chris Anderson, Battier, Mbah a Moute type players.
You don't get my point. Rationalizing away the moves is fine. If PDA is not going to get defensive players, that's fine. I have no major problem with what he did. I sure don't need any explanations as to why PDA is doing what he is doing. I have an ability to analyze players and moves.
My point is simply that he isn't doing what he says he would do. I'm not even saying it is bad. I just will ignore what he says.
My point is simply that he isn't doing what he says he would do. I'm not even saying it is bad. I just will ignore what he says.
I think people read too much into the whole defensive team thing thinking that meant defensive players. They are building the team first with best players they can get. Get the team working together and playing team ball. Then you can bring in specialists to fill in the role players. No point getting a bunch of role players before you have your main guys. They need more main guys right now.
I'm in total agreement, which is something I was trying to say in another thread. I don't see us progressing from where we were when Vivek bought the team to where PDA et al envision us to be as a quick process. It's gonna take a while, and I'm actually getting more excited about the process than I thought I would be.
DeRozan is an interesting name.. If they just want to get rid of his contract for whatever reason and you can pick him up for Ben and no other real assets you might ponder it. As previously pointed out, you don't trade for the perfect player because they wouldn't be tradeable in the first place. You have to trade for guys who are under the radar and are currently not perceived as high value and hope you can better their deficiencies. DeMar might fit into that category. There are some question marks to his game. I don't think we are trying to add more talent to win ball games until after the season ends, when a possible high draft position for this stacked draft is secured. So I would question that move, and as VF21 said it is in PDA's nature to make that call
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Well, he hasn't used the right words, but I think I understand what he meant: that combination of Boogie-Williams(if he indeed blows up)-non-SF player is more impactful than Boogie-Wiggins/Parker with Williams on the bench, where he will get only a backup SF given the presence of Landry. Right now I don't think that Wiggins/Parker are clear #1-2. I feel Embiid and Smart are there with some other freshmen nearby. Just remember how #10 in 2010 worked out for Pacers - there's no absolutes in draft process, because mentality is a huge part of success and you rarely get a feeling for it in strict and rigid college environment.
Let's make a deal! Kings need all the help they can get, maybe another big man - Miami needs backcourt help, temporary replacement for injured D-Wade. Wasn't it LeBron who first called MT, "Little Buckets?"
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10088748/miami-heat-talk-trade-dwyane-wade-out
http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/10088748/miami-heat-talk-trade-dwyane-wade-out
Williams quickness should bother 4s, don't you think? My question with him at 4 has more to do with strength. I'd like to see him against a powerful 4, say Zach Randolph, and see how he would do. I don't know whether Randolph would abuse him in the post or not. (I'll go out on the limb and say that with our current roster, Randolph wouldn't abuse him anymore than anybody else we have on this roster). It's an open question for me; I just haven't seen enough of Williams to make a judgement on that. As far as taking shots away from Cousins, I guess I'm somewhat skeptical on that point. Good teams have a lot of guys that can score. And good teams are unselfish enough to get the ball to the guy that should get the ball. Yes, if DeRozan is truly a selfish player, then absolutely it would not work because by definition he would want to be the #1 guy. If, on the other hand, he really does want to win, and is willing to sacrifice his shooting attempts in order to win, then it might work.
One more thing. You (and others) seem to be saying that you can't pair athletic guys with Cousins because they will leave him in the dust on the offensive end from the fast break basketball they are good at. I don't subscribe to that point of view. I've seen Laker teams with Kareem Abduhl Jabbar on them that were fantastic fast breaking teams. If those teams can run and win championships, the Kings could do the same.
One more thing. You (and others) seem to be saying that you can't pair athletic guys with Cousins because they will leave him in the dust on the offensive end from the fast break basketball they are good at. I don't subscribe to that point of view. I've seen Laker teams with Kareem Abduhl Jabbar on them that were fantastic fast breaking teams. If those teams can run and win championships, the Kings could do the same.
I'm actually beginning to raise a red flag on all these let's get Wiggins/Parker talks. Maybe its just living in the East, but I don't think Sacramento fans understand just how completely abysmal the entire Eastern Conference is. If Sac wins 30, they might be the 10th seed and have a 5% chance at one of those guys. As I said during the summer when it became apparent there was some thought hat way from our front office, its a fools gamble. I like tanking. Tanking is GOOD at a certain stage of a franchise's life cycle. Tanking can win titles in the end. But trying to outtank half the league who are also all tanking at the same time gets to be nearly impossible. Certianly doubling down on the idea you are going to be able to outtank a dozen other teams and starting to mess up your development process planning for future stars you may not be able to get gets dubious in a hurry.
I'd like to see us try for Lowry and Amir Johnson, who I think both could be potential pieces in the future at PG and PF. If they're looking for straight expirings, Salmons, Patterson, and Vasquez could do the trick. Not sure how Jimmer fits into all of that... although Lowry/Johnson/Gray for Patterson/Salmons/Vasquez/Jimmer works on the trade machine.
Was looking at Miami seeing if there is anyway they could be the Thornton contract escape clause for us. Suspect Lebron would be onboard with getting "Little Buckets". But there doesn't seem to be anyway to do it salarywise without taking back 2 of the 4 Haslem/Chalmers/Anthony/Battier contracts. All but Anthony would be solid roleplayer pickups, but none of them would want to be here (Haslem in fact seems to think he's a Miami lifer), and Miami flat needs both Chalmers and Haslem for depth at their positions. And Anthony would surely be pushed as one of the two, and he has a player option at $3.8mil next year that he WILL be taking.
Now, maybe expand a bit... Thornton to Miami, Patterson, Battier, and Anthony to Houston... and Asik here? 
And no to Jimmer for Anthony. Jimmer is an ending deal. Anthony is just incompetent and going to get paid $4mil next year for being born tall.
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