Kings active in trade talks?
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Well, I was somewhat joking. Still can't wrap my head around that signing. It just flies in the face of everything I thought they were trying to accomplish.
But anybody who has seen PDA talk has to get an overwhelming sense that he is slightly, if not completely, full of it. Something in his demeanor screams "I'm lying through my teeth." Says one thing, does another.
But anybody who has seen PDA talk has to get an overwhelming sense that he is slightly, if not completely, full of it. Something in his demeanor screams "I'm lying through my teeth." Says one thing, does another.
Luc Mbah a Moute might have been the best defender but he wasn't going to make any all-NBA defensive squads or win a place in the HoF for his defensive prowess. People really need to get over this. Luc was a piece to be moved if the right opportunity came along. I think almost everyone agrees the potential upside for Williams is lightyears above what Luc would have ever contributed to the team.
What PDA wants and what he has to do to get there are like the difference between chess and checkers.
What PDA wants and what he has to do to get there are like the difference between chess and checkers.
No, you've seen him do things you think are inconsistent with what he has said. I'm reserving judgment, as I think his eventual goal of putting together a defensive-minded squad is going to take a lot of interim moves. We'll have to agree to disagree at least for now.
Remember, when you're up to your arse in alligators it's hard to remember your original objective was to drain the swamp.
Remember, when you're up to your arse in alligators it's hard to remember your original objective was to drain the swamp.
DeMar DeRozan?
http://www.latinopost.com/articles/...-tradable-tired-of-situation-with-raptors.htm
Sacramento is mentioned among the suspects looking to deal.
http://www.latinopost.com/articles/...-tradable-tired-of-situation-with-raptors.htm
Sacramento is mentioned among the suspects looking to deal.
Shumpert, then DeRozan.
Why are we looking so hard at SG's instead of PG's or PF's?
Shumpert is a possibility as he'd back up MLM and offer some defense for our backcourt. DeRozan however would mean to me he'd be our SG going forward, not MLM. Only room for one of them. We're not giving up Cuz so that'd mean MLM almost has to be included in a potential deal.
Why are we looking so hard at SG's instead of PG's or PF's?
Shumpert is a possibility as he'd back up MLM and offer some defense for our backcourt. DeRozan however would mean to me he'd be our SG going forward, not MLM. Only room for one of them. We're not giving up Cuz so that'd mean MLM almost has to be included in a potential deal.
And now Landry is in that swamp too. That initial splash lost any benefit of the doubt scenarios with the new FO for me. Landry, defense challenged, a black hole on offense, already on the wrong side of 30? That doesn't fit any rebuilding scenario. Guys like him are who you want to get rid of, not add. Unless he's a trade asset. But they've made it clear he's their guy. So, I dunno.
This idea some people have that we will get the perfect player at the perfect age with the perfect balance of offensive and defensive ability's at the perfect price at every position both starters and on the bench is laughable. This isn't NBA2k.
In real life you will have guys that are better on offense than defense and vice versa. In real life you will have guys over 30. In real life contracts are not all going to be where you can get players at their exact true value.
In real life you will have guys that are better on offense than defense and vice versa. In real life you will have guys over 30. In real life contracts are not all going to be where you can get players at their exact true value.
DeRozan has talent and he's young. So he's on the list. And I doubt Kings managment is focusing on any particular position at the expense of the others.
My growing list of potentials who Kings could conceivably obtain:
DeRozan - unfortunately the Raptors seem to want youth and picks, just like the Kings.
Singler
Schroder - Hawks sent him to D league; how about their D-leager for ours (McCallum). If not, then Jimmer
Brandon Knight
My growing list of potentials who Kings could conceivably obtain:
DeRozan - unfortunately the Raptors seem to want youth and picks, just like the Kings.
Singler
Schroder - Hawks sent him to D league; how about their D-leager for ours (McCallum). If not, then Jimmer
Brandon Knight
I think we're just looking at any opportunity to add talent. Period. That may create an awkward short term roster; however, all of these moves are likely looking at 2 years down the road. Whether that be accumulating talent for the long term or accumulating talent as future trade chips. I think people are getting too hung up on what our short term moves are and what that means about the philisopical stance of the front office. I would guess maybe 2 to 3 players off the current roster are still around by the time the new arena opens.
If they are looking at DeRozan, what that tells me is that maybe they aren't quite as sold on Ben as all that, because look, there isn't room for both of them. Well there is short term because you just send Ben to the bench. But there would be no place for him to go upwards even if he did get it together. I would assume we would only hoping to get back the 22ppg 3pt shooting Derozan of this season, rather than the sorta inefficient limited range 17ppg jumpshooter of years past.
Thing is though that that article is hardly even a rumor. As close to the rumor part as it gets is frickin' Sam Amico, who just makes stuff up. And the rest of the article cites DeRozan saying he's tired of them dropping games at home as the basis for him wanting out, and for Toronto to be peddling him.
Should note BTW, there is some Thornton concerns to DeRozan. Thornton has averaged 20ppg in extended stretches too. But he needs lots of shots, in an offense built around his getting shots in order to do it. Meanwhile he doesn't do the other things. Enter DeRozan who takes 18 shots a game to get his 22, doesn't defend much, and is kind of just a volume scorer at SG. You have to be careful.
Thing is though that that article is hardly even a rumor. As close to the rumor part as it gets is frickin' Sam Amico, who just makes stuff up. And the rest of the article cites DeRozan saying he's tired of them dropping games at home as the basis for him wanting out, and for Toronto to be peddling him.
Should note BTW, there is some Thornton concerns to DeRozan. Thornton has averaged 20ppg in extended stretches too. But he needs lots of shots, in an offense built around his getting shots in order to do it. Meanwhile he doesn't do the other things. Enter DeRozan who takes 18 shots a game to get his 22, doesn't defend much, and is kind of just a volume scorer at SG. You have to be careful.
He's 6'7". Paul Pierce is 6'7". I don't see how he's too small. Also, he's an athlete. He
DeRozan is 6'7" and can play the 3, (Paul Pierce is same height). You could have Williams at the 4, DeRozan 3, McLemore 2. Not the biggest lineup, but an incredibly athletic one. To me, the aforementioned lineup hinges upon Williams and his defense at the 4, and I haven't seen enough of him to know how good he can be in that role. So far I see quite a bit of untapped potential in Williams' defense/rebounding, and I noted in the Thunder post game that Malone intimated as such; he wants to see him bear down in that area seemingly because he's not nearly realizing his potential in that area.
I don't know if DeRozan "needs" a lot of shots because I don't really know what that means. Does that means he's inherently unhappy with less than 18 shots a game? Does that mean that his value to the team is neglible is he doesn't 18 shots a game because he can't do anything else? Please explain.
DeRozan is 6'7" and can play the 3, (Paul Pierce is same height). You could have Williams at the 4, DeRozan 3, McLemore 2. Not the biggest lineup, but an incredibly athletic one. To me, the aforementioned lineup hinges upon Williams and his defense at the 4, and I haven't seen enough of him to know how good he can be in that role. So far I see quite a bit of untapped potential in Williams' defense/rebounding, and I noted in the Thunder post game that Malone intimated as such; he wants to see him bear down in that area seemingly because he's not nearly realizing his potential in that area.
I don't know if DeRozan "needs" a lot of shots because I don't really know what that means. Does that means he's inherently unhappy with less than 18 shots a game? Does that mean that his value to the team is neglible is he doesn't 18 shots a game because he can't do anything else? Please explain.
I'm not a fan of this idea for a couple of reasons. (1) We know that Williams can play defense at the SF position. I'm less comfortable with him as an undersized 4 at that end of the floor. His strength and quickness are both physical advantages on the wing but he's undersized a bit in the post. More importantly, he's not going to take any pressure off of Cousins to defend the other team's top big every night and that's an issue since we're relying on Cousins to be our leading scorer as well. (2) McLemore and Williams are both primarily scorers. That's fine if we have a playmaker at PG and a defender at PF. Put another scorer into the starting lineup (McLemore/DeRozan/Williams) and not only are you taking shots away from Cousins, but you're starting to look like another mis-matched attempt to run a hybrid running game with a bruising post player watching unhappily from the other end of the court.
Derozan can't play the three. He's barely physical enough to play the 2. Its kind of like saying Kevin Martin can play the three because he's 6'7". But I don't think that's the way this new crew rolls asnyway. Not sure if DWill is going to be the long term guy or not, but seems pretty clear they were looking for a full sized physical style athlete, not a blown up SG.
The latter. And really, even setting aside his one dimensionality,if he came here, got cut back to 12 shots, and scored 16pts/gm on a healthy contract...well I don't know how much that is worth to us when you talk about giving up assets in trade. Convince me that he comes here, scores 22pts/gm as a legit #2 to Cousins, and what I was hinting at is that you would use Ben to get him. But I'm watching how poorly Thornton has done in that role, and am considerably concerned given that Derozan doesn't do anything else to make up for it if the offense isn't working.
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