Hasheem Thabeet!!!
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HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
I would go after Jeff Green with Salmons, personally.
Griffin+Salmons for Thabeet+Green
Hopefully having traded Miller and cutting Moore, generating enough capspace to sign Ramon Sessions
Sessions/Udrih
Martin/Garcia
Green/Garcia
Thompson/Hawes
Thabeet/Hawes
That lineup works for me.
Griffin+Salmons for Thabeet+Green
Hopefully having traded Miller and cutting Moore, generating enough capspace to sign Ramon Sessions
Sessions/Udrih
Martin/Garcia
Green/Garcia
Thompson/Hawes
Thabeet/Hawes
That lineup works for me.
Kingzrool
Starter
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, take your pick huh.
I never tire of how funny it is that anyone thinks any of those players will end up in a Kings uni. Especially for a rookie and Miller.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Thabeet everyday of the week and twice on Sundays and not to trade. I also have heard that Rubio will not be entering the draft.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
You missed his point. He was not serious, he was picking up on something another guy said. Go back and read it.
vikinginferno
Starter
Yeah this is what I was hoping would happen. All of the starting five would have potential to be all-stars. This happening would not be THAT far fetched also.
barndoggie
G-League
i would rather have rubio he looks like a real good point guard he has awsome dribbling skills can shoot and defence couldn't be any worse then beno
rubio
martin
green
thompson
hawes
this would be a quick team
rubio
martin
green
thompson
hawes
this would be a quick team
vikinginferno
Starter
I just don't feel that Hawes can be a good starting center in this league. To me, he fits more of the backup that gets decent minutes.
Rockmeister
All-Star
Watching the Pitt vs UConn game right now and Thabeet was going for a rebound and the defender just grab Thabeet's arm over his shoulder and hit the floor hard. The way he was thrown over the guy's shoulder, could have easily broken his arm, but Thabeet is ok.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
Thabeet getting man-handled. It's not as if Blair is quick or can take him outside, either. Thabeet should be able to limit him, but he can't. He has been irrelevant all game. 4pts, 2rebs, 2 fouls, no blocks.
Why is it he rarely ever plays decent against NBA level comp? I really want him to do well, but he is posing some very real questions with his play against NBA level competition.
Why is it he rarely ever plays decent against NBA level comp? I really want him to do well, but he is posing some very real questions with his play against NBA level competition.
Gary
All-Star
Yah.. I made the Hilton Armstrong vs. Thabeet comparison somewhere.. Hilton in the year he was to go to the draft had like 17ppg 11rpg and 4.5bpg against crappy competition, and didn't do so well against NBA fringe prospects. Turns out Hilton was a fringe NBA prospect as well..
I wish Thabeet would give me something that I can cling to, but he lays an egg almost everytime he faces someone that can ball.
It's not that Blair is faster than he is either. Blair looks to be about 275-280, and he's obviously way shorter.. Maybe about 6'7?.. He's a big guy and is just overpowering Thabeet.
I wish Thabeet would give me something that I can cling to, but he lays an egg almost everytime he faces someone that can ball.
It's not that Blair is faster than he is either. Blair looks to be about 275-280, and he's obviously way shorter.. Maybe about 6'7?.. He's a big guy and is just overpowering Thabeet.
Rockmeister
All-Star
I know this is just one game and its only the end of the 1st half, however, I'm not that impressed with Thabeet. I'm still on the Blake bandwagon
HighTopKicks
Bench
I really truely love that idea. One of the best trade/draft suggestions i've read anywhere in months
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Blair was extraordinary this game -- could see this coming actually. the last career 20-20 game he had? Against Notre Dame and Harangody a couple of weeks back. One of those ultra tough guy grudge/prove it to you sorts of players who gets fired up against big opponents and muscles them to death. Too short to defend in the NBA, but there is some Maxiel potential there.
Of course this opens up all the old questions about Thabeet and short power players, but seriously, the way Blair played tonight who exactly was going to stop him? Nobody in the college game that's for sure. The bigger thing is that the lock and lob offensive game that has made Thabeet effective offensively has no chance of working on a player that strong. The appropriate counter to a stubby power guy like that is either a facing jumper or a jumphook over him. Since Thabeet does no really have either, they would have been better off just using him up high to set screens. Actually a poor job of coaching by Calhoun playing right to Blair's strengths and keeping him in close to the glass where he could dominate. Be interesting to see what happens in the rematch in a month or so.
Of course this opens up all the old questions about Thabeet and short power players, but seriously, the way Blair played tonight who exactly was going to stop him? Nobody in the college game that's for sure. The bigger thing is that the lock and lob offensive game that has made Thabeet effective offensively has no chance of working on a player that strong. The appropriate counter to a stubby power guy like that is either a facing jumper or a jumphook over him. Since Thabeet does no really have either, they would have been better off just using him up high to set screens. Actually a poor job of coaching by Calhoun playing right to Blair's strengths and keeping him in close to the glass where he could dominate. Be interesting to see what happens in the rematch in a month or so.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
What this game shows though is that Thabeet has very poor core strength and that isn't something that he's going to be able to overcome easily because of his body structure. He's quick, long and explosive but he doesn't have the lateral quickness, the coordination, the IQ, or the strength to become a complete defender or that good of a rebounder. I'm going to keep watching him, but I'm not hopeful that he can become anything more than Dalembert.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Blair would have muscled most NBA big men right out of the arena too tonight. He's immensely strong at any level, and came out determined to prove it tonight.
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Vlade4GM
All-Star
Thabeet has poor core strength this has always been a problem for him, this isn't anything new. I don't believe he's going to improve on it much either because of the way his body is structured, it's like he's walking on stilts. You can talk up Blair all you like, but this is a huge weakness for Thabeet.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Monroe and Blair both owned Thabeet, and in different ways. Thabeet is a good shotblocker but he is surprisingly soft.
Blake Griffin all the way!!!
Blake Griffin all the way!!!
I don't have a dog in the Thabeet fight. However, this game wasn't the first time we have seen him struggle against a first round talent, nor has he just had problems against "short power players". (Greg Monroe?) .
I have been impressed the last few times I have seen him, but that shouldn't white-wash over what happened tonight (or vice-versa). Perhaps others couldn't have handled Blair but the 5 points four rebounds three turnovers and foulling out performance of Thabeet could have been exceeded by any number of college basketball players.
This game shouldn't be used as definitive evidence that Thabeet can't play, however reading his fans brush off this performance like Obama brushing faux-dandruff off his shoulders is a bit much.
I have been impressed the last few times I have seen him, but that shouldn't white-wash over what happened tonight (or vice-versa). Perhaps others couldn't have handled Blair but the 5 points four rebounds three turnovers and foulling out performance of Thabeet could have been exceeded by any number of college basketball players.
This game shouldn't be used as definitive evidence that Thabeet can't play, however reading his fans brush off this performance like Obama brushing faux-dandruff off his shoulders is a bit much.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Its not a question of "core strength" against a guy like Blair, its a simple question of height and leverage. If you put Tyson Chandler out there against Blair, the problems would be similar. Blair is a burly little guy who knows how to get low, get his shoulder into you, and if you are 8 inches taller than he is, you are in trouble. Its no different than a shorter defensive end bull rushing a giant offensive tackle in football, get low, power into his midriff, and no matter how strong the guy is, you are going to win that battle. There are reasons why Malik Rose was one of the better Shaq stoppers in the league, and its not because he was stronger than Shaq. Just leverage.
Now there are ways to counter those tactics of course, otherwise the NBA would be full of guys built like me. And that is of course one of the questions going forward on Thabeet -- will he learn to counter those tactics. Of course it should be notes again that there are no 6'7" leverage specialists playing center in the NBA. Thabeet will have to deal wiht power up hihg in the form of the Yao's and Oden's, not little burrowing creatures barreling into his gut.
kingsnation
All-Star
Ok, so Thabeet struggles tonight. A bit alarming? maybe.
No one can say for sure. If this is his only performance like this the rest of the year, I'm still sold on him.
No one can say for sure. If this is his only performance like this the rest of the year, I'm still sold on him.
KingsCitizen
Starter
With the right coach and trainer, Thabeet should be able to bulk up enough to overcome this weakness.
IMO, the main reason why such 6'7"-6'8" PF were flourishing in the league the last few seasons was the lack of legit bigs inside. Pure Center has been at a drought period. Even the Spurs only got Bonner at C now, Wallace at C, Webber at C, and even Amare is small at Center when he was playing before Shaq. This has given enough leverage for smaller PF to get enough rebounds. But with the influx of a good number of young seven-footers lately, I think we'll slowly see a decrease of efficiency of those small PFs. Oden, Bynum, Lopez, Hibbert, McGee, Biedrins, Kaman, Hawes, D. Jordan, M. Gasol, Chandler, Dalembert, Shaq and Yao. Those are just legit a few seven footers that will be bruising down the middle next season. Plus you still have a big stock of strong and agile 6'10"-11" PFs. So if we want a big man, we go with the real big, literally, and that's Thabeet.
One bad game against an undersized big isn't gonna change my vote yet. In the NBA, it's more like a C playing against a SF(though slower and stronger), which may happen in maybe just 3 plays before we sit Thabeet and put maybe Thompson out there.
IMO, the main reason why such 6'7"-6'8" PF were flourishing in the league the last few seasons was the lack of legit bigs inside. Pure Center has been at a drought period. Even the Spurs only got Bonner at C now, Wallace at C, Webber at C, and even Amare is small at Center when he was playing before Shaq. This has given enough leverage for smaller PF to get enough rebounds. But with the influx of a good number of young seven-footers lately, I think we'll slowly see a decrease of efficiency of those small PFs. Oden, Bynum, Lopez, Hibbert, McGee, Biedrins, Kaman, Hawes, D. Jordan, M. Gasol, Chandler, Dalembert, Shaq and Yao. Those are just legit a few seven footers that will be bruising down the middle next season. Plus you still have a big stock of strong and agile 6'10"-11" PFs. So if we want a big man, we go with the real big, literally, and that's Thabeet.
One bad game against an undersized big isn't gonna change my vote yet. In the NBA, it's more like a C playing against a SF(though slower and stronger), which may happen in maybe just 3 plays before we sit Thabeet and put maybe Thompson out there.
It is amazing how fast people seem to jump on and off a player based on one or two games.
Thabeet is still a developing prospect because he hasn't been around basketball as long as many other players. One of his negatives right now is his inconsistency, and this was one of those games where he couldn't figure out the right way to defend. Blair is undersized, but very strong and bulky compared to most college PF's. He still needs a lot of developing and coaching, but there is no doubt that his defensive presence could potentially bring a much needed factor to the Kings. There is plenty of doubt and room for legit criticism of him, but it is silly to count him out at this point in his development.