Alright, we got the 8th pick, options...

I don't remember a single person screaming to take Schroeder at 7. People were discussing the possibility but most who wanted him wanted to trade down. Revisionist history here is rife. And why would it be a good idea to trade 8 for him given that he hasn't even proved he can play in the NBA?


Yah if I remember correctly people were discussing Burke vs MCW last year..... I don't even remember talking about Schroeder last year.
 
I remember last year when every fan was screaming that we draft Schroeder with pick 7 because we needed a point guard. Now one year later it's a bad deal to trade pick 8 for it?

It was Burke or MCW people were screaming for. Schroeder might have came up at one point but the fans weren't "screaming for him". It was Burke vs. MCW only.
 
How come I get the feeling that DA doesn't want to make a high draft pick mistake?

Maybe he is afraid of another Ben McClemore pick, where the player they coveted and thought would instantly help, falls to them and then shows he's not ready for prime time and doesn't do too well in their first year?

First, he ask the public for help and their advise on the draft pick.
Second, he publicly advertises that the 8th pick is for sale immediately, instead of waiting to see who falls to him in the draft (ala McClemore).
Third, I think he is more comfortable with a lower pick, so there is not as much expectations on the player and on his pick.

That being said, I think DA will lock in a trade BEFORE the draft and someone who he may covet, i.e. Exum, Vonleh, or Smart will drop to him, but since he traded the pick already, he won't be able to pick one of the potential stars in the draft. Instead, I think he will trade back later in the draft, somewhere in the mid to high teens and pick and pick up a rotation player, but not a star, i.e. someone like Schroeder and Atlanta #15 for our #8.

What I would wish for is for DA and the front office to play it coy with the rest of the league. Have a contingent trade on the table, wait for their pick at #8, and if the player they want is not there, THEN finalize a trade to move the pick for a lower pick and a viable starting veteran.


My suggestion, trade the pick, ONLY if the player they covet is not there at #8. One good thing about the 1st rounder we owe from the Hickson trade, it prevents us from trading out of the first round all together this year, so at least we know we must get a 1st round draft pick in this years draft in exchange for our #8. I would try to trade to Chicago the #8 and an expiring contract (i.e. Jason Terry) for #16 and Taj Gibson.

At #16 I would draft Isaiah Austin (Baylor) or Kyle Anderson UCLA). Anderson could be a Jalen Rose type big point guard.

I think 7'1" Isaiah Austin is underrated from Baylor and he could be the rim protector we are looking for. Don't understimate a big man just because he did not make great improvement in college. That is why Roy Hibbert slipped to Indiana, was because he did not really improve in college. I can see Austin being a Roy Hibert type center, rim protector alongside DMC.
 
For the Cleveland Cavaliers? ?

Come on, no matter who wins, somebody always says rigged. if we win, they scream rigged, because obviously gift to new ownership etc. If the Lakers win they scream rigged, because Lakers of course. if Minny wins, its to help them retain Love. If the Pels win its new owner again, and wanting to create an A.D. superteam. New York, because its the Knicks. There are only handful of teams out there who could have own it without screams of "rigged!" At a certain point the "rigged!" is coming from us internally. not by anything anybody else is doing.
And if it had been Milwaukee, people would have screamed "rigged" because of their new ownership. And, if it had been Philadelphia, people would have screamed "rigged" because the NBA "needs" Philly to be relevant. And, if the Celtics win...

Seriously, there's no team that could have won the draft, that somebody's fanbase wouldn't have made "rigged" accusations.
 
i don't like the idea of trading the pick honestly. Maybe Pete will pull some wizardry on a trade but i just don't see what we can really get for the 8th pick.

And if we do trade it we better be receiving a different first round pick in the trade, or working on a separate trade for a pick
 
It was Burke or MCW people were screaming for. Schroeder might have came up at one point but the fans weren't "screaming for him". It was Burke vs. MCW only.
I don't recall that at all. I was all for MCW, but I was shouted down a lot of the time because of his "Small hands and inability to score".

Everyone was suggesting Burke, or trading down for Schroeder, because he was the "Next Rondo".
 
i don't like the idea of trading the pick honestly. Maybe Pete will pull some wizardry on a trade but i just don't see what we can really get for the 8th pick.

And if we do trade it we better be receiving a different first round pick in the trade, or working on a separate trade for a pick
Of course you don't; you've put all your hope in the draft, all year. Why would you change your mind now?

I'll put my faith in being able to trade the pick for a real NBA player, over continuing to wish for whatever prospect to be a star.
 
I don't recall that at all. I was all for MCW, but I was shouted down a lot of the time because of his "Small hands and inability to score".

Everyone was suggesting Burke, or trading down for Schroeder, because he was the "Next Rondo".
I think "trading down" is the operative term, though; contrary to your prior claim, I don't think that anybody who wanted Schroeder actually wanted us to use the seventh pick on him.
 
I think "trading down" is the operative term, though; contrary to your prior claim, I don't think that anybody who wanted Schroeder actually wanted us to use the seventh pick on him.
Well yeah, but from what I recall, it wasn't that farfetched. Rudy Gobert, Schroeder were some of the names being thrown around for pick 7, but it was suggested that you could probably trade down and get the same.
 
Well yeah, but from what I recall, it wasn't that farfetched. Rudy Gobert, Schroeder were some of the names being thrown around for pick 7, but it was suggested that you could probably trade down and get the same.


Maybe, but that position is still a far cry from "every fan was screaming that we draft Schroeder with pick 7 because we needed a point guard."
 
We are sitting perfect at 8... Gordon is going to drop into our laps, the teams above us will want more offense I'm thinking and will reluctantly pass on Aaron.
 
We are sitting perfect at 8... Gordon is going to drop into our laps, the teams above us will want more offense I'm thinking and will reluctantly pass on Aaron.

Only issue is he can't guard PF's like Duncan or Ibaka or Aldridge or Dirk etc. He's got no position in the league. Same thing as D-Will. Same situations only difference is Gordon's quality on defense.
 
Only issue is he can't guard PF's like Duncan or Ibaka or Aldridge or Dirk etc. He's got no position in the league. Same thing as D-Will. Same situations only difference is Gordon's quality on defense.
Not so sure about that... hoping he's a Shawn Marion type who can defend anyone.

Also, D-Will is a liability matched up with quicker sf's... not the case with Gordon so they're not the same at all.
 
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Immediately putting the pick up for sale (for a vet) seems like a pout move by PDA. The quality of vet we can get for the 8th pick can be had in FA.

So we dropped 1 spot....Oh wells. There will still be a bunch of good prospects at that position.

The entire Pacers team is made up of guys picked lower than 8th (well, at least the big name players on that squad, havent bothered to check out the entire roster)....8th isnt the end of the world.

If he's mad about dropping he should try to move up a spot or two. -insert movable piece- + 8th pick can get us in to the top 5. There are good players to be had in the top 5.
 
I do like the idea of trading 8/JT or landry for Asik/25. Houston was looking for a young player or a pick at the deadline and I'm pretty sure they would love a top 10 pick
I'm not sure how the trade works with poison pill contracts though, is his trade salary at 8.4mil off traded at the draft?
 
Immediately putting the pick up for sale (for a vet) seems like a pout move by PDA. The quality of vet we can get for the 8th pick can be had in FA.

Or what PDA is looking for is a team that wants to trade up. The Bulls have two first round picks (#16 and #19), the Suns have two as well (#14 and #27), and the 76ers might want to move up a couple of spots (#10 plus a second) or back into the first for another lottery pick (some second round picks plus Thaddeus Young?).

It wouldn't necessarily have to be a veteran. A deal to grab two mid first round picks, or a mid and a late, or some picks plus a talented player, could be appealing options.

So we dropped 1 spot....Oh wells. There will still be a bunch of good prospects at that position.

The entire Pacers team is made up of guys picked lower than 8th (well, at least the big name players on that squad, havent bothered to check out the entire roster)....8th isnt the end of the world.

Agreed. We can still grab a talented guy at #8. A player like Gordon could be on the board to get us an athletic big. Or a talent like McDermott or Staukas should be available. So depending on what PDA prioritises, he should be able to get a contributor at #8.

If he's mad about dropping he should try to move up a spot or two. -insert movable piece- + 8th pick can get us in to the top 5. There are good players to be had in the top 5.

The problem with top five is which team will be willing to trade down?

- Cavs: apparently value Embiid, but imagine putting Parker or Wiggins in the same team as Irving. Granted they might want LeBron back, but if he sticks in Miami (which he should), then I don't see them passing on a potential star to add to help Iriving.

- Bucks: they need a star. They might want more picks, but I don't see them wanting to move down.

- 76ers: they will want a quick turn around. At #3 they should get one of Embiid, Parker or Wiggins. Ideally they would probably want Parker or Wiggins to give their team a go to scorer. So again, can't see them moving down. If anything, I see them trying to grab a third lottery pick.

- Magic: another team in need of a star. Most have them taking Exum to give them their PG for the future. But they could get "lucky" and take a player like Parker or Embiid. They could be tempted by a move down, but would #8 + McLemore and/or D-Will be tempting enough?

- Utah: They are another team that needs more talent. But if they did trade with us, I suppose #5 could get us Exum, Randle, Smart or Vonleh. But I'm not sure they would.

Personally I think the most likely option would be the Magic. Their GM has shown already that he likes to stockpile and take risks on underrated/under used talent. But I remain doubtful that a team in the top five wants to move back unless the deal is too good to turn down.
 
We are sitting perfect at 8... Gordon is going to drop into our laps, the teams above us will want more offense I'm thinking and will reluctantly pass on Aaron.

True, but we could add scoring power as well:

- Doug McDermott should be on the board. He's a defensive liability, and not overly athletic. But he's a hell of a shooter and one of the more prolific scorers in college.

- Gary Harris, perhaps a shooting guard is not a need if they still believe in McLemore. But Harris is a very polished player, decent all round, and could be a good contributor from day one. He could start with McLemore as sixth man, or we could try to trade McLemore for picks and/or talent.

- Nik Staukas, similar to above. A bigger SG, very polished shooter. Could be a decent scorer from the get go.

- Dario Saric. Not my ideal pick. But he is an intriguing player at 6'10 for a SF/PF combination. One of the best/most talented players from Europe. Some top him as a future all star, I'm not convinced, but he could be worth a look.

Personally I don't know what road we should go down. Gordon is a talented player, with decent enough size, and excellent athleticism. But it is true that he might be undersized for a PF, and not a natural fit at SF, leaving him as one of those awkward tweeters. I'd still be fine with us drafting him, he'd bring defense and upside. But at the same time it wouldn't surprise me to see us take a well rounded player like Harris, or a shooter like McDermott to add some more fire power.

I guess an "ideal" scenario could be if Marcus Smart falls to us at #8. He'd give us a good PG prospect, that brings a tough mentality. Good defense from day one, but will need to improve the other areas of his game.
 
Immediately putting the pick up for sale (for a vet) seems like a pout move by PDA. The quality of vet we can get for the 8th pick can be had in FA.

So we dropped 1 spot....Oh wells. There will still be a bunch of good prospects at that position.

The entire Pacers team is made up of guys picked lower than 8th (well, at least the big name players on that squad, havent bothered to check out the entire roster)....8th isnt the end of the world.

If he's mad about dropping he should try to move up a spot or two. -insert movable piece- + 8th pick can get us in to the top 5. There are good players to be had in the top 5.

Pout move? You think he did this out of spite cause he's mad? Get real. I don't care if you call him the Gerbil or whatever... but let's be honest, guys at his level aren't doing crap without a plan. Keep in mind there's a whole team on board with most decisions, according to Vivek's advertised team management style.

If you don't agree with it, fine. But he's an ACTIVE GM. He's doing this to create activity, to hopefully spark some movement, letting everyone in the league have no doubt that we're willing to deal. THAT'S why he's doing it, not to pout. And if nothing happens and we end up picking... then it won't be a "pout" pick cause he didn't get his way in a trade.
 
Screw player development. We've been doing it now for 8 years so I say enough is enough. I want to win games now, not maybe 3-4 years down the road. Aaron Gordon may be good one day but I don't want to wait that long.

I say trade our pick for taj Gibson who is a fantastic defender and decent scorer who gets a lot of his points off of put backs and offensive rebounds. He is exactly what we need and would be a great complement to demarcus and gay. I think chicago would defunitely consider it if they want to make room for melo. Next let IT walk because he doesn't give us anything offensively that we don't already get from cousins and gay. Maccallum is a better passer and defender anyway. A starting lineup of maccallum/mclemore/gay/Gibson/cousins is very well rounded IMO. Then just work on the bench. I say go for josh mcroberts and Channing frye. Mcroberts is a solid defender and good passer for his position and frye is decent stretch 4 off the bench. Then trade jt for whatever you can get.

Idk that's just my opinion. I just want to see the kings be good. It's been to long and our fan base deserves some form of a Winner after all the crap we've been through.
 
Screw player development. We've been doing it now for 8 years so I say enough is enough. I want to win games now, not maybe 3-4 years down the road. Aaron Gordon may be good one day but I don't want to wait that long.

I say trade our pick for taj Gibson who is a fantastic defender and decent scorer who gets a lot of his points off of put backs and offensive rebounds. He is exactly what we need and would be a great complement to demarcus and gay. I think chicago would defunitely consider it if they want to make room for melo. Next let IT walk because he doesn't give us anything offensively that we don't already get from cousins and gay. Maccallum is a better passer and defender anyway. A starting lineup of maccallum/mclemore/gay/Gibson/cousins is very well rounded IMO. Then just work on the bench. I say go for josh mcroberts and Channing frye. Mcroberts is a solid defender and good passer for his position and frye is decent stretch 4 off the bench. Then trade jt for whatever you can get.

Idk that's just my opinion. I just want to see the kings be good. It's been to long and our fan base deserves some form of a Winner after all the crap we've been through.

The potential issue with going into win now mode is that what we don't want to see, or at least we shouldn't, is this team become stuck as a 7th or 8th seed that is cap strapped with little to no manoeuvrability.

I think we have a talented base, and what we need to do is continue to build the right way. We need to get the bad contracts off the books to clear cap space, and make sure we don't tie ourselves up to two further bad contracts with IT and Gay (I'm not suggesting letting them go, but don't over pay them).

At #8 we should be able to get a talented player. Remember that Paul George was selected at #10. It took him a couple of seasons, but boy has he broken out into an all star player these past two seasons. Kemba Walker went at #9 the following draft, and he's developed into a decent starting PG. The draft after saw Andre Drummond go at #9, he's now a center piece in the Pistons future. And last season MCW went at #11, won rookie of the year, and arguably is a center piece for the 76ers going forwards.

Talent can be found where we draft if the team's front office does it's scouting well, and gets a bit lucky in who drops and if their pick develops. Now like you, I'm sick of losing and not seeing my team in the play offs. But what we want to see, or at least what I want to see, is a Kings team that can contend for a championship. And not one of those 7th or 8th seed teams that don't have the ability or means to improve, and generally need blowing up and rebuilding in order to do so.

I'm not sure if we will or should re-sign IT and Gay, but if we do, then we do have a talented base to build on with them alongside McCallum, McLemore, Williams and Cousins. A good few additions in the draft and free agency should see the team improve. No need to throw away a pick, when that pick can turn out to be a star.
 
The potential issue with going into win now mode is that what we don't want to see, or at least we shouldn't, is this team become stuck as a 7th or 8th seed that is cap strapped with little to no manoeuvrability.

I think we have a talented base, and what we need to do is continue to build the right way. We need to get the bad contracts off the books to clear cap space, and make sure we don't tie ourselves up to two further bad contracts with IT and Gay (I'm not suggesting letting them go, but don't over pay them).

At #8 we should be able to get a talented player. Remember that Paul George was selected at #10. It took him a couple of seasons, but boy has he broken out into an all star player these past two seasons. Kemba Walker went at #9 the following draft, and he's developed into a decent starting PG. The draft after saw Andre Drummond go at #9, he's now a center piece in the Pistons future. And last season MCW went at #11, won rookie of the year, and arguably is a center piece for the 76ers going forwards.

Talent can be found where we draft if the team's front office does it's scouting well, and gets a bit lucky in who drops and if their pick develops. Now like you, I'm sick of losing and not seeing my team in the play offs. But what we want to see, or at least what I want to see, is a Kings team that can contend for a championship. And not one of those 7th or 8th seed teams that don't have the ability or means to improve, and generally need blowing up and rebuilding in order to do so.

I'm not sure if we will or should re-sign IT and Gay, but if we do, then we do have a talented base to build on with them alongside McCallum, McLemore, Williams and Cousins. A good few additions in the draft and free agency should see the team improve. No need to throw away a pick, when that pick can turn out to be a star.

I guess it's just up to whatever direction management wants to go in. I just wish they'd start building around cousins strengths (similar to how Orlando built around Howard) rather than just continuing to surround him with defensive liabilities and iso players.
 
The Kings have been talking about the second round A LOT. And trading. Leads me to believe a trade down might make more sense than a trade out.

For instance, Gibson, unlocking of our pick, and a second rounder for #8 and Terry expiring... likely only works if Thibs is gone.

#8 and Landry to Cleveland for Varajao (if they draft Embiid #1, I think AV is on the outs, and I've wanted him for years) + a lottery protected first and #33 this year.

Who the hell knows what's happening in Memphis right now. Landry + #8 to Memphis for #22, Davis, and Koufos?

I saw someone throw out Nene the other day. Nene + Porter JR for #8, Landry, Thompson, and Outlaw?

And with all of that being said, I don't even hate where the Kings are picking. They can and will get a good player if they stand pat. A ton of options this year, though.
 
Pout move? You think he did this out of spite cause he's mad? Get real. I don't care if you call him the Gerbil or whatever... but let's be honest, guys at his level aren't doing poopoo without a plan. Keep in mind there's a whole team on board with most decisions, according to Vivek's advertised team management style.

If you don't agree with it, fine. But he's an ACTIVE GM. He's doing this to create activity, to hopefully spark some movement, letting everyone in the league have no doubt that we're willing to deal. THAT'S why he's doing it, not to pout. And if nothing happens and we end up picking... then it won't be a "pout" pick cause he didn't get his way in a trade.

IMO the way Pete and the current Kings FO handle news releases regarding player acquisition info is refreshing.

Releasing info of a willingness to trade the #8 pick starts the GM wheels turning all across the Association. I suspect some offers will be made that might not with a closer to the vest style. Pete was quoted that there was a multitude of deals in the works last year. Most never got done but there was more activity than we have seen in the past.
 
They will get a good player at 8. If Gay stays and they keep IT on a reasonable contract, then add a rookie who can contribute, but add some solid Veteran FAs who can stabilize the roster. I think Evans is a vet who fits that mold and plays at a solid level. Add 1or 2 who can shoot. Trade one of the PFs. The goal is to approach 40 wins.

If IT is gone, we will miss the potential of his offense off the bench but I also feel as if McLemore will develop way faster with IT gone....as does McCallum obviously. Ray can give us the same production with his ability to play both sides of the ball.
 
I don't remember a single person screaming to take Schroeder at 7. People were discussing the possibility but most who wanted him wanted to trade down. Revisionist history here is rife. And why would it be a good idea to trade 8 for him given that he hasn't even proved he can play in the NBA?

Uhh, who in this draft has proven he can play in the NBA? So why should we take anyone at #8 if none of them have proven they can play in the NBA? At least with Schroeder you've seen him play in the NBA and can judge him against NBA competition. With the draftees you haven't.
 
Uhh, who in this draft has proven he can play in the NBA? So why should we take anyone at #8 if none of them have proven they can play in the NBA? At least with Schroeder you've seen him play in the NBA and can judge him against NBA competition. With the draftees you haven't.

Yeah, great logic as always. I'd take Schroeder over Embiid/Wiggins/Parker too.
 
Schroeder hasn't done anything yet. Trading the #8 pick for him would be insane. One lackluster year in the NBA hurts your stock. That's just the way it is. Atlanta got Teague on a great deal, and he's improved to the point where Schroeder may not be a part of their future. Everyone knows he's available (or Teague, one of them will be dealt sooner than later).

Schroeder and #15 for #8 is more like it.
 
Schroeder hasn't done anything yet. Trading the #8 pick for him would be insane. One lackluster year in the NBA hurts your stock. That's just the way it is. Atlanta got Teague on a great deal, and he's improved to the point where Schroeder may not be a part of their future. Everyone knows he's available (or Teague, one of them will be dealt sooner than later).

Schroeder and #15 for #8 is more like it.
I would do that deal as long as Smart is already gone
 
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