Potential Free Agent/Trade/Sign Tracker, '25-'26 Season

I honestly don’t blame the Rockets for holding off, he has been injured an awful lot so far and they have the Amen contract to think about

Also, there's not *really* a starting spot for him long-term.

They chose Jabari, KD should be in the other wing spot and Sengun in the big spot. $100 mil is a big chunk of a change for a guy that's not really locked into 30+ MPG for the life of that contract.

They'd have to really believe Amen IS their PG going forward. He was solid last night, but I think he'd just be better being a terror on the wing and a secondary creator/ball-handler on offense.
 

Perry/vivek are clowns. So the 2 young guards who play defense, but the 5 iso guards are crucial. So sick of this owner
That’s the feeling I’m getting. The org sees Keon and Carter as expendable. The vets tried really hard on defense in the first half and moved the ball too. 2nd half was back to poor D and iso ball. DC and Keon could have made a difference down the stretch
 
On the Kings, your value to the team is directly related to your pay rate OR your name recognition around the league. If a player puts fans in the seats, then he is in the rotation no matter what.

If you pay for a Porsche, you drive it regardless if it makes sense or not.

I don't think that is how Coach Christie thinks so guess where it comes from.
 
On the Kings, your value to the team is directly related to your pay rate OR your name recognition around the league. If a player puts fans in the seats, then he is in the rotation no matter what.

If you pay for a Porsche, you drive it regardless if it makes sense or not.

I don't think that is how Coach Christie thinks so guess where it comes from.

DeMar DeRozan, Zach LaVine, Russell Westbrook, Dennis Schroder... these are not the metaphorical equivalent of Porsches...
 

Perry/vivek are clowns. So the 2 young guards who play defense, but the 5 iso guards are crucial. So sick of this owner

LOOOOOOOLLL

Keon Ellis would be playing 25 MPG right now for the Champion OKC Thunder, especially because he's a better shooter than most of their defensive lynchpin types. But sure man, he's not valuable for one of the worst defenses in basketball.

Although this is Matt George, so we can probably take his "sources" with a grain of salt. His comment about the previous FO wanting other players to play instead of Keon, really doesn't line up, who's an analytics darling for a FO that really valued in when Monte was in charge.
 
On the Kings, your value to the team is directly related to your pay rate OR your name recognition around the league. If a player puts fans in the seats, then he is in the rotation no matter what.

If you pay for a Porsche, you drive it regardless if it makes sense or not.

I don't think that is how Coach Christie thinks so guess where it comes from.

Yes. If they were to decide to give Keon a sizeable contract this next year, his playing time would go up and reflect it, even with his advanced stats being the same as they are now. Keeping in mind that right now they are paying him a minimum salary. Dario Saric is being paid more than twice as much as Ellis this season.

Follow the money. The sad part is that I can guarantee that there are smart long term successful organizations around the league that value Keon more than the Kings do.
 
LOOOOOOOLLL

Keon Ellis would be playing 25 MPG right now for the Champion OKC Thunder, especially because he's a better shooter than most of their defensive lynchpin types. But sure man, he's not valuable for one of the worst defenses in basketball.

Although this is Matt George, so we can probably take his "sources" with a grain of salt. His comment about the previous FO wanting other players to play instead of Keon, really doesn't line up, who's an analytics darling for a FO that really valued in when Monte was in charge.

This is what confused me as well. Could you find a solid defensive guard like Keon? Yeah there’s some good defensive guards out there around Keons size. But can you find one that also shoots 43% from 3 on volume? That’s a lot less likely.
 
LOOOOOOOLLL

Keon Ellis would be playing 25 MPG right now for the Champion OKC Thunder, especially because he's a better shooter than most of their defensive lynchpin types. But sure man, he's not valuable for one of the worst defenses in basketball.

Although this is Matt George, so we can probably take his "sources" with a grain of salt. His comment about the previous FO wanting other players to play instead of Keon, really doesn't line up, who's an analytics darling for a FO that really valued in when Monte was in charge.
George really liked Mike Brown. He felt the fans scape goated him.

That said, it seems like Perry has been using George/KC all summer as mouth pieces to the fans.

We entered the summer with guys like Carmichael Dave saying Demar is going to be gone, then Perry came in and suddenly George and KC were saying "I think Perry really liked Demar and what he brings to the team as a vet leader"

Then it pivoted to they think Monk is expendable - and we heard he was going to Detroit, and then maybe GS, but didn't really have a market.

Then it was "Carter isn't Perrys guy, hes expendable" well clearly that was right because they added Russ/Nique/Schroder to an already crowded back court that has led to Carter getting DNP.

Then those guys had a lot about Kuminga and basically knowing exactly how far Perry would go in terms of a trade. Wont give an unprotected 1st etc..

Now it's the Keon stuff and hes playing 13mpg.

So I wouldn't take it with a grain of salt really, we are seeing first hand these guys just don't value defense. They used Nique just like they have Keegan for years, be our best defender then go stand in the corner. They view the recipe as 3 iso guards (Schroder, Russ, Lavine, Monk, Demar) + 1 defender (Nique/Keegan) + Sabonis.

They are who they are showing us they are. The worst managed org in sports with the Raiders.
 
This is what confused me as well. Could you find a solid defensive guard like Keon? Yeah there’s some good defensive guards out there around Keons size. But can you find one that also shoots 43% from 3 on volume? That’s a lot less likely.
I don't even think he's easily replaceable without the shooting. He can handle, he led the league in steals per game when he was playing 25mpg to end the season with Fox that year, hes a super high energy guy.

I get the sentiment that Kings fans fall in love with high energy guys. And maybe in the past they were right. But every analytic says this team gets better when Keon is on the court, and we are terrible when you pair 3 of the iso guys. Maybe you can replace Keon, but that could be a Derrick White type player, which is todays NBA is super valuable. Why in the hell would you not prioritize that over Russ or Demar who are dinosaurs.
 
I don't even think he's easily replaceable without the shooting. He can handle, he led the league in steals per game when he was playing 25mpg to end the season with Fox that year, hes a super high energy guy.

I get the sentiment that Kings fans fall in love with high energy guys. And maybe in the past they were right. But every analytic says this team gets better when Keon is on the court, and we are terrible when you pair 3 of the iso guys. Maybe you can replace Keon, but that could be a Derrick White type player, which is todays NBA is super valuable. Why in the hell would you not prioritize that over Russ or Demar who are dinosaurs.

And while Derrick White would be an absolute ceiling, why the hell wouldn't we give him the minutes to maybe try and hit that ceiling? Give consistent 30+ MPG and see where he continues his development trajectory.

Maybe he just stays as a low USG/great shooting/great defensive role player, which is still more than fine. He's one of the best in the league at that. But our franchise is absolutely horrible about clearing a minutes runway for the younger guys that don't even give them the opportunity to maybe break out and become a star.
 
And while Derrick White would be an absolute ceiling, why the hell wouldn't we give him the minutes to maybe try and hit that ceiling? Give consistent 30+ MPG and see where he continues his development trajectory.

Maybe he just stays as a low USG/great shooting/great defensive role player, which is still more than fine. He's one of the best in the league at that. But our franchise is absolutely horrible about clearing a minutes runway for the younger guys that don't even give them the opportunity to maybe break out and become a star.
I think he can easily be a Christian Braun on a contender. And sadly we are going to have to see that in the near future.
 
And while Derrick White would be an absolute ceiling, why the hell wouldn't we give him the minutes to maybe try and hit that ceiling? Give consistent 30+ MPG and see where he continues his development trajectory.

Maybe he just stays as a low USG/great shooting/great defensive role player, which is still more than fine. He's one of the best in the league at that. But our owner is absolutely horrible about clearing a minutes runway for the younger guys that he doesn't even give them the opportunity to maybe break out and become a star.
I fixed it for you...:p:p:p
 
And while Derrick White would be an absolute ceiling, why the hell wouldn't we give him the minutes to maybe try and hit that ceiling? Give consistent 30+ MPG and see where he continues his development trajectory.

Maybe he just stays as a low USG/great shooting/great defensive role player, which is still more than fine. He's one of the best in the league at that. But our franchise is absolutely horrible about clearing a minutes runway for the younger guys that don't even give them the opportunity to maybe break out and become a star.

This opening stretch is going to tell me so much about Doug Christie. Perry seems like he's on a very common incoming GM kind of ego trip, alienating talent leftover from the previous front office to elevate the new front office's acquisitions. But where's Doug in all of this? Is he just going to be a loyal soldier and play Perry's guys without reservation? Will he really keep Ellis and Carter glued to the bench as the Kings' defense gets shredded and the losses pile up? If it's December and the Kings are well below .500 and they're still not getting Keon extended run or allowing Carter to sniff the court, then I'll know everything I need to know about what Christie is made of.

Honestly, my opinion remains that only a calamitous number of losses is going to wake this organization up from its stupidity. It needs to be so impossible to recover from the hole they've dug themselves that the Perry regime has no choice but to pivot from... whatever the f*** they're doing. Oddly, it might be good news that there appears to be no market for DDR and Monk, and certainly no market for LaVine. The Kings don't need to stumble into more mistakes trading stopgap vets for stopgap vets. They basically need to be forced to accept that they've got no hand to play but rebuild.
 
This opening stretch is going to tell me so much about Doug Christie. Perry seems like he's on a very common incoming GM kind of ego trip, alienating talent leftover from the previous front office to elevate the new front office's acquisitions. But where's Doug in all of this? Is he just going to be a loyal soldier and play Perry's guys without reservation? Will he really keep Ellis and Carter glued to the bench as the Kings' defense gets shredded and the losses pile up? If it's December and the Kings are well below .500 and they're still not getting Keon extended run or allowing Carter to sniff the court, then I'll know everything I need to know about what Christie is made of.

Honestly, my opinion remains that only a calamitous number of losses is going to wake this organization up from its stupidity. It needs to be so impossible to recover from the hole they've dug themselves that the Perry regime has no choice but to pivot from... whatever the f*** they're doing. Oddly, it might be good news that there appears to be no market for DDR and Monk, and certainly no market for LaVine. The Kings don't need to stumble into more mistakes trading stopgap vets for stopgap vets. They basically need to be forced to accept that they've got no hand to play but rebuild.

I can't imagine there will be no market by the deadline for an explosive microwave scorer 6th man in Monk
 
On the Kings, your value to the team is directly related to your pay rate OR your name recognition around the league. If a player puts fans in the seats, then he is in the rotation no matter what.

If you pay for a Porsche, you drive it regardless if it makes sense or not.

I don't think that is how Coach Christie thinks so guess where it comes from.

We traded an unprotected pick for Derozan despite fit so he could walk out to not like us
 
This is a great trade I didn’t like they way Reed looked at all but it was his first game
I don’t think Reed is a point guard at all but if the Nique playmaking is real, he’d fit nicely next to him. It’s a bit of buy low situation in the hopes that not being the one “point guard” on a team trying to win now sorta frees him up.
 
I don’t think Reed is a point guard at all but if the Nique playmaking is real, he’d fit nicely next to him. It’s a bit of buy low situation in the hopes that not being the one “point guard” on a team trying to win now sorta frees him up.

Ya I thought he was a PG but he’s nothing close to that at all. He didn’t looked for his teammates at all but that’s talent we should be taking a chance on and if he hits I agree with you he’d fit with Nique
 
We’re winning this trade by a very wide margin.

HOU won’t trade Eason for Ellis straight up let alone add Sheppard and a 1st round pick on top of it.

Here’s a thread that actually proposed just an Eason for Ellis swap and you can see how that went over…


Schroeder and Carter for Reed, capela, and Tate works gives houston a starter and Schroeder is a better pg and defender then monk
 
This opening stretch is going to tell me so much about Doug Christie. Perry seems like he's on a very common incoming GM kind of ego trip, alienating talent leftover from the previous front office to elevate the new front office's acquisitions. But where's Doug in all of this? Is he just going to be a loyal soldier and play Perry's guys without reservation? Will he really keep Ellis and Carter glued to the bench as the Kings' defense gets shredded and the losses pile up? If it's December and the Kings are well below .500 and they're still not getting Keon extended run or allowing Carter to sniff the court, then I'll know everything I need to know about what Christie is made of.

Honestly, my opinion remains that only a calamitous number of losses is going to wake this organization up from its stupidity. It needs to be so impossible to recover from the hole they've dug themselves that the Perry regime has no choice but to pivot from... whatever the f*** they're doing. Oddly, it might be good news that there appears to be no market for DDR and Monk, and certainly no market for LaVine. The Kings don't need to stumble into more mistakes trading stopgap vets for stopgap vets. They basically need to be forced to accept that they've got no hand to play but rebuild.

It's a question of pain threshold. As the grinding losses pile up and they start to turn into blowouts rather than "contested" losses how much pain can they endure before screaming, "No mas!" I really think something is going to break over the next 10 games or so.
 
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