Alright, we got the 8th pick, options...

[Bricklayer]

RIGGED !

For the Cleveland Cavaliers? ?

Come on, no matter who wins, somebody always says rigged. if we win, they scream rigged, because obviously gift to new ownership etc. If the Lakers win they scream rigged, because Lakers of course. if Minny wins, its to help them retain Love. If the Pels win its new owner again, and wanting to create an A.D. superteam. New York, because its the Knicks. There are only handful of teams out there who could have own it without screams of "rigged!" At a certain point the "rigged!" is coming from us internally. not by anything anybody else is doing.

 

[Jose]

Apparently, we'll be looking to trade the pick:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233508/Kings-To-Put-No-8-Pick-On-Trade-Block

 

[macadocious]

Assuming we want Schroeder (not really sure why) #8 for Schroeder and #15?

 

[Gary]

Lottery system is heartbreaking, but the tanking epidemic would be epic if we adopted MLB or NFL draft rules. Suck for 2 years and you're set for the next 10 of your franchise.

One idea that has been thrown around is that if your team moves up to a top 3 pick one year, then you have a 0% chance in the next year to do so.

That's a good idea actually... The only way you could repeat is if your team actually finishes as one of the 3 worst teams. If you are a #10 and get the 1st pick and you finish with the 4th worst record the next year then you cannot get a top 3 pick. You lose all your pingpong balls and finish at best with the 4th pick.

If you are 10th one year and end up getting the 1st pick and then next year you finish with one of the top 3 worst records then you should not lose your pinpong balls.

 

[Gary]

Assuming we want Schroeder (not really sure why) #8 for Schroeder and #15?

That's the only way I do that. I am not fond of trading the 8th pick straight up for Schroeder. That's basically giving the pick away.

 

[JLoss22]

How about 8 and JT for 12 and Afflalo.

We get rid of a crappy contract, get a really good veteran SG and only drop a couple spots.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I am not fond of trading the 8th pick straight up for Schroeder. That's basically giving the pick away.

I don't think the article even implied that was the scenario.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Assuming we want Schroeder (not really sure why) #8 for Schroeder and #15?

Put Horford in that trade and were all set.

 

[JLoss22]

Or 8, JT and Terry for Monroe in a S&T

 

[Kingster]

Apparently, we'll be looking to trade the pick:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233508/Kings-To-Put-No-8-Pick-On-Trade-Block

I've been high on Schroeder ever since I saw him in summer league. I'd trade that 8th pick for him NOW! You're basically buying a guy with a lot of potential that has one year of experience in the NBA under his belt. He's extremely quick. You can't get a guy with his talent anywhere near the 8th slot, much less with the added plus of having a year of experience to go with it. All you guys who are anti- IT should be all over this. If you want a guy who could legitimately supplant IT, Schoeder is the guy, not some mediocre vet.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Gordon and Smart can't shoot. There are lots of bench guys that can't shoot in the NBA, or have jobs at Jiffy Lube. Both of those guys have high bust potential. Heck, Smart doesn't even have the quicks, but I guess he has a position. Gordon has athleticism, but he doesn't have a position. I'd still take Stauskas over either one of them. He'll probably be a good bench guy, eventually. Or, if you want to go for a high ceiling project, maybe Capela - pick him, forget about him, send him to D League for a couple of years, and maybe he turns into a legit starter. Or not.

The 8th pick isn't worth squat. If you have the 8th pick you might as well have the 15th pick, or the 25th pick for that matter, and everybody knows it. Maybe we can get The Prince back with the 8th pick. Or Beno. Somebody like that, maybe. Heck, I'm not even sure you could get those guys for the 8th pick. But you certainly aren't going to get a legit starter with that 8th pick. At best you're going to get a mediocre bench guy. As far as Thompson is concerned, I'd bet PDA has had conversations with every team in the league on him. No takers. He has a $6 mill/year contract, which is probably $2 mill/year more than he's worth. He's not even salvage value. You have to pay some team to take him away. Maybe you package Thompson with the 8th pick and get nothing in return except for his cap space.

The vast majority of players come into the NBA with shooting as a weakness. This mass thinking that shooting can't/won't be improved needs to stop. Players with size/athleticism of Smart to go along with his skills don't end up out of the league. More often than not they end up being starters, and good ones. He definitely does have the quicks, I'll bet you a signature about that, but we'll have to wait and see. Your opinion on Smart is not actually based on Smart, it's based on some nightmare you have.

You're completely undervaluing the 8th pick, btw. Beno? Maybe not even Beno? Get a grip. Starters can easily be gotten at that spot if you pick the right guy. MCW, Adams, Adetokunbo, Dieng were all taken after 8th last year in a much weaker draft. Drummond, Henson, Jones, Sullinger the year before. Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Vucevic, Harris, Faried, Butler the year before that. There's talent to be had. The sky isn't falling.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Or 8, JT and Terry for Monroe in a S&T

How often do we see sign and trades including picks that were made a couple weeks before in the draft? Almost never, I'd say, as it seems complicated.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I've been high on Schroeder ever since I saw him in summer league. I'd trade that 8th pick for him NOW! You're basically buying a guy with a lot of potential that has one year of experience in the NBA under his belt. He's extremely quick. You can't get a guy with his talent anywhere near the 8th slot, much less with the added plus of having a year of experience to go with it. All you guys who are anti- IT should be all over this. If you want a guy who could legitimately supplant IT, Schoeder is the guy, not some mediocre vet.

Oh come on! Are you actually serious? I like Schroeder but he did absolutely nothing last year to suggest he's worth the 8th pick in this draft! He couldn't even get picked 8th last year in a much weaker draft! Why on earth would his value have risen that much after he could barely get off the bench?

I'd happily take a chance on the guy, but not for the 8th pick alone. That's just ludicrous. Nobody's anti-IT by the way.

 

[Dime Dropper]

What player thats come into the NBA shooting 40% from the line has turned into a capable shooter? Thats a genuine question btw, Gordon will need to at least keep defenses honest from the three point line too if you want him to be a Small Forward, otherwise It's just another player for the D to ignore and frustrate Cuz, so he can look over the double team and see absolutely no shooters anywhere.

They tried T-Rob at SF some in the summer league IIRC and obviously he was a disaster, if anyone reminds me of T-Rob it's Randle, a bully boy in College who will get his comeuppance in the NBA and will have to drift.

Randle will be the one doing the bullying in the NBA, the only question is whether his lack of elite height/length will limit him to "merely" a 16/10 in his prime player. He's nothing like T-Rob and some team might get a huge steal if teams sleep on him like a lot of fans are. Maybe people don't know what they're watching or are scared by the Robinson failure. I can't think of a single thing Robinson does better. He's probably a little more explosive and definitely quicker, but not stronger and nowhere near as skilled. Randle has a great feel for the game and a high IQ. Again, not a good fit here but you take him at 8 without thinking unless someone else unexpectedly falls.

 

[Entity]

pick will be traded.

 

[randymoss1881]

What's wrong with drafting Gordon he's nothing like Williams he plays defense something we need. We better not trade the pick for Schroeder straight up though we need more pieces than that for the 8th pick.

 

[Bibby10AZ]

Gordon!!!!

 

[Kingster]

Oh come on! Are you actually serious? I like Schroeder but he did absolutely nothing last year to suggest he's worth the 8th pick in this draft! He couldn't even get picked 8th last year in a much weaker draft! Why on earth would his value have risen that much after he could barely get off the bench?

I'd happily take a chance on the guy, but not for the 8th pick alone. That's just ludicrous. Nobody's anti-IT by the way.

First, let's get the BS out of the way. Anybody that tells me that "nobody's" anti-IT is full of it. A cursory reading of this board over the past year tells otherwise. That's the biggest bunch of malarky I've ever heard - got some swamp land in Florida to sell? YOU may not believe you're anti-IT, but nobody? Come on. Don't go around saying nobody's anti-IT. That's just crap and you know it. If you go back in the anti-IT posts over the last year you could fill enough vials of venom to fill a biotoxin laboratory. Unless you're going to tell me that all of "they" have converted: they aren't anti-IT, they just want him as the 6th man. They don't dislike IT; they just want to pay him $4 mill. Bull Sh__.

As for Schroeder, I'm glad PDA likes Schroeder. It gives me an indication he knows what he's doing. You're totally overvaluing the 8th pick. This is the freaking draft, not the NBA. Half the guys in it are going to be busts. Once you get out of the top 4-6 in this draft you're in no-man's-land - guys like Skauskas, McDermott, Ennis, Hood. Heck, if Vonleh dropped to 8, which is not out of the realm of reason, I'd go for him, but he's certainly not a lock. At least with Schroeder, you've seen him against NBA competition, not in little league or doing drills against nobody. Schroeder is a life-line for this draft that I'd grab for in a mini-second.

 

[Tetsujin]

Really cause the NBA has never fixed the lottery before.......just like they never fix games or favor certain players/teams.........

I'm fairly certain that, were the NBA fixing the draft lottery, Cleveland would probably be the last team to get the ping-pong balls to bounce three years in a row. Especially in a year featuring both the Lakers and Celtics in key positions to nab picks in the top 3.

 

[Dime Dropper]

First, let's get the BS out of the way. Anybody that tells me that "nobody's" anti-IT is full of it. A cursory reading of this board over the past year tells otherwise. That's the biggest bunch of malarky I've ever heard - got some swamp land in Florida to sell? YOU may not believe you're anti-IT, but nobody? Come on. Don't go around saying nobody's anti-IT. That's just crap and you know it. If you go back in the anti-IT posts over the last year you could fill enough vials of venom to fill a biotoxin laboratory. Unless you're going to tell me that all of "they" have converted: they aren't anti-IT, they just want him as the 6th man. They don't dislike IT; they just want to pay him $4 mill. Bull Sh__.

I'm glad you got that out of the system. I believe that nobody here actually dislikes IT, maybe I'm wrong. I think some people have gotten incredibly frustrated at certain posters blatantly over-rating him. You believe people who don't see IT as a part of our future as haters or some such, I don't. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. If anybody here hates IT, or is anti-IT, now is your time to shine. Prove Kingster right.

As for Schroeder, I'm glad PDA likes Schroeder. It gives me an indication he knows what he's doing. You're totally overvaluing the 8th pick. This is the freaking draft, not the NBA. Half the guys in it are going to be busts. Once you get out of the top 4-6 in this draft you're in no-man's-land - guys like Skauskas, McDermott, Ennis, Hood. Heck, if Vonleh dropped to 8, which is not out of the realm of reason, I'd go for him, but he's certainly not a lock. At least with Schroeder, you've seen him against NBA competition, not in little league or doing drills against nobody. Schroeder is a life-line for this draft that I'd grab for in a mini-second.

I'm not overvaluing the 8th pick, I haven't even put a value on it, so how could I be overvaluing it? It's empirically true that you can get starters and good players at that spot, I just showed you a list. It's about drafting smart. And what has Schroeder done that has you so enamoured? Answer this please and don't just skirt over it. You act as if he's proven himself - all he's proven is he can put up 3ppg and 2apg in 13mpg. Hardly setting the world alight and clearly not worth the 8th pick. I mean, how does that even justify the 17th pick in last years draft? It's nonsensical. I'd happily take a chance on Schroeder but he has done diddly squat and it's bizarre that you're talking about him in terms of what he's done or proven.

 

[Chicken Chaser]

Kerry Kittles would have been nice

"Turn the sprinklers on because Scary Skittles is on fire!"

 

[The_Jamal]

Randle will be the one doing the bullying in the NBA, the only question is whether his lack of elite height/length will limit him to "merely" a 16/10 in his prime player. He's nothing like T-Rob and some team might get a huge steal if teams sleep on him like a lot of fans are. Maybe people don't know what they're watching or are scared by the Robinson failure. I can't think of a single thing Robinson does better. He's probably a little more explosive and definitely quicker, but not stronger and nowhere near as skilled. Randle has a great feel for the game and a high IQ. Again, not a good fit here but you take him at 8 without thinking unless someone else unexpectedly falls.

Agreed. I was sold on Randle the second I saw the 27-15 game against Michigan State Early in the year. Dude was pulling out post footwork that would make 98% of the bigs in the league jealous. On the right team, I see no reason he can't be ZBO esq in his scoring. But he's also more athletic than ZBO.

He's the guy I see falling because his measurements don't add up. And it just might be to our gain

 

[Gilles]

Cousins gets lazy from time to time, and that's why his defense suffers. He still understands, what the other team is doing. Randle was often confused by college schemes. Wait till he meets PO level NBA plays. And he's below average physically for defense to begin with. Just no. Draft him for somebody else? Sure. But to keep? No, thanks.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

#8 plus Landry and JT for Tyson Chandler and J.R Smith

 

[NowImLost]

#8 plus Landry and JT for Tyson Chandler and J.R Smith

Anything involving J.R Smith is a no no.

 

[Dreadnought]

Is the 8th pick comparable to Chicago's 16th and 19th? I still like this draft.

 

[Kingster]

The vast majority of players come into the NBA with shooting as a weakness. This mass thinking that shooting can't/won't be improved needs to stop. Players with size/athleticism of Smart to go along with his skills don't end up out of the league. More often than not they end up being starters, and good ones. He definitely does have the quicks, I'll bet you a signature about that, but we'll have to wait and see. Your opinion on Smart is not actually based on Smart, it's based on some nightmare you have.

You're completely undervaluing the 8th pick, btw. Beno? Maybe not even Beno? Get a grip. Starters can easily be gotten at that spot if you pick the right guy. MCW, Adams, Adetokunbo, Dieng were all taken after 8th last year in a much weaker draft. Drummond, Henson, Jones, Sullinger the year before. Klay Thompson, Kawhi Leonard, Vucevic, Harris, Faried, Butler the year before that. There's talent to be had. The sky isn't falling.

Dime Dropper, you better have your eyes examined if you think Smart has quicks. He has pretty good quicks for college, not the pros. This is common knowledge. This Smart talk is now reminding me of the Jimmermania before we drafted him - many said he was quicker than I thought and a better ball handler than I thought and I just didn't know what I was talking about. Then we saw the evidence.

It's a crap shoot at best with Smart's and Gordon's shooting. (At least you verifiably know Beno can shoot the ball in the NBA.) Heck, Gordon can't come close when he's standing at the free throw line for gawd's sake. Smart has a shooting form that makes Tyreke's look good. I've seen him shoot with his legs flayed out like he's spasmodic. I asked Baja about it, thinking that Smart was just stupidly trying to get a foul call and Baja said, no, that was the way he shoots! What's got to stop is this notion that all players can make themselves into good shooters. Some can; some can't. If you think you can know ahead of time who will develop a shot and who won't I envy you. You've just earned yourself millions. You can market yourself to the NBA GMs and make a killing. Can I be your agent?

 

[Dime Dropper]

Dime Dropper, you better have your eyes examined if you think Smart has quicks. He has pretty good quicks for college, not the pros. This is common knowledge. This Smart talk is now reminding me of the Jimmermania before we drafted him - many said he was quicker than I thought and a better ball handler than I thought and I just didn't know what I was talking about. Then we saw the evidence.

Comparing Jimmer's athleticism to Smart's is about par for the course for your level of posting. We'll see if Smart is quick enough next season. I fully expect you to admit that you're wrong when it happens. It's not common knowledge by the way, Smart doesn't look as quick as he is because he's huge, but he gets wherever he wants. He's not Westbrook but he's above average for an NBA PG. We'll wait and see. I think he's plenty quick and will be one of the most overall athletic PGs in the NBA.

It's a crap shoot at best with Smart's and Gordon's shooting. (At least you verifiably know Beno can shoot the ball in the NBA.) Heck, Gordon can't come close when he's standing at the free throw line for gawd's sake. Smart has a shooting form that makes Tyreke's look good. I've seen him shoot with his legs flayed out like he's spasmodic. I asked Baja about it, thinking that Smart was just stupidly trying to get a foul call and Baja said, no, that was the way he shoots! What's got to stop is this notion that all players can make themselves into good shooters. Some can; some can't. If you think you can know ahead of time who will develop a shot and who won't I envy you. You've just earned yourself millions. You can market yourself to the NBA GMs and make a killing. Can I be your agent?

Smart's form is far better than Tyreke's. He kicks his legs sometimes, yes, but that's not a form issue necessarily. That's easily fixed with coaching and repitition. His form is fine, there are plenty of effective shooters in the NBA with far worse. Baja is not a fan of Smart which is fair enough but he's not the only one qualified to talk about him. You're taking his opinion as gospel because it happens to fit with yours. That's not an insult to Baja as we all disagree on prospects from time to time. And way to avoid the issue at hand: I never said everyone can/will develop into a good shooter. I wouldn't bet against Smart developing a set jumper that can keep defenses honest given his character and work ethic. He doesn't have to be Steph Curry considering the other things he does on the court, something you're unable to take into account.

 

[Nikolizzle]

I remember last year when every fan was screaming that we draft Schroeder with pick 7 because we needed a point guard. Now one year later it's a bad deal to trade pick 8 for it?

 

[Dime Dropper]

I remember last year when every fan was screaming that we draft Schroeder with pick 7 because we needed a point guard. Now one year later it's a bad deal to trade pick 8 for it?

I don't remember a single person screaming to take Schroeder at 7. People were discussing the possibility but most who wanted him wanted to trade down. Revisionist history here is rife. And why would it be a good idea to trade 8 for him given that he hasn't even proved he can play in the NBA?