Trade Tyronn and AJ to teams in need of PG
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On when can you trade players you just received in a trade. See #85.
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#67
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I actually think Lue has a better chance of getting traded, on two levels:
1) His perceived value is higher. He's had championship experience with the Lakers, he's played at a relatively high level as a starter in Orlando, and he's consistently shown that he can sparkplug a bench with good three point shooting as well as the ability to create his own shot, and even hit it. Not a scoring machine, but think Eddie House-like in his ability to spark the bench. Although he's not a real passer, he's not turnover prone at all either. He hasn't really had much of a chance to play for a contender, but his game definitely looks the part as being a missing piece for many teams.
2) Although Lue can be a source of consistency off the bench for us...think about it...does a 30 year old vet like him really want to play off the bench for us, behind Udrih, on a very mediocre team? He's accepted it in Orlando, but him being a relative journeyman in this league I don't think he's willing to accept that sort of role for long, unless it's for a winning team. Besides, he's sort of redundant to Quincy Douby, and if he stays it will undoubtedly take away playing time from Douby and we'll get stuck into playing veterans for a mediocre team--a trend I at least I'd prefer not to follow. Playing youngs for a mediocre team would be better--hence Lue would probably be better off geting traded.
I would imagine we can even get a 1st round pick for Lue, depending on how badly a team wants him (I would imagine Phoenix would dangle one). His talent relative to the amount we can get for trading him suggests a late 1st rounder, but even a 2nd rounder should be fine.
1) His perceived value is higher. He's had championship experience with the Lakers, he's played at a relatively high level as a starter in Orlando, and he's consistently shown that he can sparkplug a bench with good three point shooting as well as the ability to create his own shot, and even hit it. Not a scoring machine, but think Eddie House-like in his ability to spark the bench. Although he's not a real passer, he's not turnover prone at all either. He hasn't really had much of a chance to play for a contender, but his game definitely looks the part as being a missing piece for many teams.
2) Although Lue can be a source of consistency off the bench for us...think about it...does a 30 year old vet like him really want to play off the bench for us, behind Udrih, on a very mediocre team? He's accepted it in Orlando, but him being a relative journeyman in this league I don't think he's willing to accept that sort of role for long, unless it's for a winning team. Besides, he's sort of redundant to Quincy Douby, and if he stays it will undoubtedly take away playing time from Douby and we'll get stuck into playing veterans for a mediocre team--a trend I at least I'd prefer not to follow. Playing youngs for a mediocre team would be better--hence Lue would probably be better off geting traded.
I would imagine we can even get a 1st round pick for Lue, depending on how badly a team wants him (I would imagine Phoenix would dangle one). His talent relative to the amount we can get for trading him suggests a late 1st rounder, but even a 2nd rounder should be fine.
As amazing as it sounds, Anthony Johnson actually started 40 games for the Hawks this year, but that really hasn't raised his value much. Offensively passive point guards don't get much love in the NBA (Anthony Carter, Milt Palacio, etc.) and AJ simply follows that trend. Another thing about AJ is that he's developed a rep as a jack of all trades, master of none sort of guy at the PG position, and that unsurprisingly doesn't get paid really well. He's shown several anomalies this year (43% 3-pt shooting, 4.7 apg for example) but considering that he's already 33, scouts aren't going to leap for joy over those stats. His playoff experience with the Nets has endeared him to several teams, but the fact that he was benchwarmer and journeyman may also turn him off from teams as well. Much of his perceived value is a double-edged sword, balanced by ups and downs, so I think best bet is we keep him as sort of a vet presence behind Udrih, and seeing that he's still productive this season, let him play it out and then let him go over the summer.
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I think part of Bibby's ever-declining trade value was killed off by yearlong speculation, and that may have had its ramifications in the final outcome of the deal. It went from Bibby for Drew Gooden to Bibby for four separate players who don't equal Bibby's value. I'm pretty sure Geoff requested one, but the fact that he only got a 2nd-rounder in return sort of illustrates that declining value.
Personally, I would keep one of those PGs we got from Atlanta to back up Beno but would be open to dealing both for the right kind of deal.
Lue is probably the player that has greater trade value but bythe same token he would be better player to keep as a spark plug off the bench. Either way I am not particularly fussed. I wouldn't be surprised if we re-signed one of these players for next season as a cheap back up option, depending on who we get in the draft.
If we could get ATL's 1st round pick for PHX for Lue and either ours or ATL's 2nd round pick in this year's draft I would be all for it. However, I just don't see how this deal helps PHX. They have Barbosa as their #1 guard off the bench and I think they like the energy Strawberry brings so Lue would be a bit of a surplus to their needs I would have thought!
Lue is probably the player that has greater trade value but bythe same token he would be better player to keep as a spark plug off the bench. Either way I am not particularly fussed. I wouldn't be surprised if we re-signed one of these players for next season as a cheap back up option, depending on who we get in the draft.
If we could get ATL's 1st round pick for PHX for Lue and either ours or ATL's 2nd round pick in this year's draft I would be all for it. However, I just don't see how this deal helps PHX. They have Barbosa as their #1 guard off the bench and I think they like the energy Strawberry brings so Lue would be a bit of a surplus to their needs I would have thought!
Just saw this...
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...21_knicks_trying_to_unload_zach_randolph.html
There's no reason in the world why we'd want Fred Jones, his on court performance is as forgettable as his name. No need to swap one ender guard for a worse one. Unless there is something like a second round pick involved.
But then again, it's the NY press, so it may be a tall tale.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...21_knicks_trying_to_unload_zach_randolph.html
There's no reason in the world why we'd want Fred Jones, his on court performance is as forgettable as his name. No need to swap one ender guard for a worse one. Unless there is something like a second round pick involved.
But then again, it's the NY press, so it may be a tall tale.
Thsi shoudl be a simple gameplan -- trade one, the other, or both of those guys to any playoff contending team looking for a little quick bit of PG help in exchange for a 2nd round pick (and a matching ending contract). Anybody wants to do that, we should instantly say yes no matter hwo the other ending player is.
Fred Jones however is another ending contract veteran, so swapping our ending contract veteran for their ending contract veteran would do nothing for us unless we had plans to resing Jones in the offseason (somewhat younger than the other guys, and a combo guard that we once talked about on here as a replacement Bobby).
Fred Jones however is another ending contract veteran, so swapping our ending contract veteran for their ending contract veteran would do nothing for us unless we had plans to resing Jones in the offseason (somewhat younger than the other guys, and a combo guard that we once talked about on here as a replacement Bobby).