Trade Scenario: Omri for Darren Collison

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From a sports anchor dude's blog in New Orleans:

http://offsideswithfletcher.wordpress.com/2010/02/22/a-good-problem-to-have-trade-darren-collison/

Updated Collison Trade II: (2-24-10)

Darren Collison & Morris Peterson to Sacramento

Omri Casspi & Beno Udrih to New Orleans

WHY: Tyreke Evans is a tremendous rookie and in my opinion the favorite (along with Stephen Curry) to win the NBA’s rookie of the year award. But is Evans a true point guard? NO! Evans is turnover prone and a true scorer. He may be better served playing off the ball. Team him with Darren Collison and you’ve got the best young backcourt in the league.

Casspi has been a huge boost to the Kings and could start at SF for the Hornets. The Hornets would have to take Beno Udrih’s bad contract back in this deal but Udrih is a decent back-up point guard who can also play off the ball. Plus, the Hornets have lots of expiring contracts in 2011 so taking on Udrih is not a bad thing. Morris Peterson makes the deal work money-wise. Peterson would lend depth to a young Kings team and he’s got an expiring contract.
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A rather interesting scenario. Would be an extremely difficult move to unload a fan favorite. I'm impressed with Collison's game in place of CP3. I used to think he was just another version of Brevin Knight. But he does seem fully capable of running a team.
 
I would like to have Collison around, but I don't know if I'd want to do that at the expense of Omri. Right now our future at the SF is up in the air enough that I would rather see how it plays out than ship one of the candidates out early. Especially as there's no indication as of yet that we plan to move Tyreke off of the PG slot, so Collison would be relegated to a backup role.

Maybe if we land a Cousins/Favors-type guy in the draft, we could ship off Thompson/Hawes for Collison, which would free up some minutes at the post, then play ~10 minutes a game with a Collison/Evans backcourt (giving Collison all the backup minutes at the PG). Could be interesting. I was high on Collison in college, and now that he's doing it at the NBA level, he'll be a tough piece to pry away. Chris Paul is the only reason he'd even be available.
 
Regardless of whether I'd do this trade, and I really don't know as I haven't given it any thought, I've always rated Collison highly.

People had doubts about him for whatever reasons but I always thought he had the talent to be a very good player. This is proving to be the case. He's a very good defender and he's showing that he can really fill the stat sheet. Would he be a good fit next to Reke? Possibly. He's an unselfish player and he can shoot the ball effectively. He's also a good defender. On paper, you have to like a combination of Collison/Reke. Potential to be a lockdown defensive duo.

Is he worth Casspi? I don't know. It's tempting, but Omri has alot of potential also, and I am 99% sure that Geoff would never do this trade. Just too many doubts - would Collison fit next to Reke or be as effective as Casspi has shown he can be? Casspi brings an international following and garners national attention. I really doubt Geoff would trade that away. He's somewhat of a cash cow. Casspi has more benefits than just being a good player.
 
kennadog said:
Me, too. Besides, he calls Tyreke turnover prone. Evans Assisit/TO ratio for 37.1 minutes is 1.84 and Collison's is 1.95 for 22.4 minutes. What a great argument that is. :rolleyes:
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Ya beat me to it. The argument is selfserving on their part.
 
Raymond Felton
Steve Blake
Chris Duhon
Earl Watson
Eddie House
Luke Ridnour
Rafer Alston
Jamal Tinsley
Jannero Pargo
Carlos Arroyo
Acie Law
Chucky Atkins
Kevin Ollie
A.J. Price

These are just some of the unrestricted free agent point guards that will be available this offseason. Regardless of what some might think, Tyreke is our point guard. And I don't see that changing unless he would be surplanted by someone like Wall, and those chances are very slim. So I see no need to make a move for a player that would be a backup, when we can easlily fill that position in the offseason at much less cost.
 
The more I think about it, the more intriguing the idea of acquiring a Darren Collison is. IF - and that's a big IF - we decide to try moving 'Reke over to the 2, Collison seems to be a great fit next to him, bringing defense, speed, and a good outside shot as a PG.

I'm not saying I'd want to give up Casspi for him, but Collison seems to have the potential to be a great backcourt counterpart if Tyreke becomes a "lead guard" in the mold of Wade, Roy, Kobe...
 
bajaden said:
Raymond Felton
Steve Blake
Chris Duhon
Earl Watson
Eddie House
Luke Ridnour
Rafer Alston
Jamal Tinsley
Jannero Pargo
Carlos Arroyo
Acie Law
Chucky Atkins
Kevin Ollie
A.J. Price

These are just some of the unrestricted free agent point guards that will be available this offseason. Regardless of what some might think, Tyreke is our point guard. And I don't see that changing unless he would be surplanted by someone like Wall, and those chances are very slim. So I see no need to make a move for a player that would be a backup, when we can easlily fill that position in the offseason at much less cost.
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The only free agent guard I like is C.J. Watson. I think I'd do this trade because Collison is pretty much what we need to pair with Tyreke. He's got good IQ, can spot up, play D, and can take over facilitating duties when needed.
 
Reke is turnover prone? And a scorer? That's a laugh.

This whole streak that Collison has been on has been nothing but. Over the past 8 games he's averaging 23.5pts and 5.0 TOs.

Somehow I don't think our toughness movement would be aided by returning to small and scrawny. Nor our anything movement be aided by taking the ball out of Reke's hands for yet another midget chucker.
 
Vlade4GM said:
The only free agent guard I like is C.J. Watson. I think I'd do this trade because Collison is pretty much what we need to pair with Tyreke. He's got good IQ, can spot up, play D, and can take over facilitating duties when needed.
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He neds the ball, munches shots, and is a complete midget requiring Reke to match up with SGs all night, thus squandering our single biggest advanatge on the court. Such a creature might make a good backup, a dynamic change of pace guard. But he doesn't belong out there beside Reke as a starter.
 
Evans is already one of the best point guards in the league. Why would i want to make him switch positions AND trade away one of the top rookies in the league. This scenario is feeble minded.
 
People need to realize (not necessarily anyone on this board, although there are a few) that us playing Evans at PG is a huge advantage for us, even if he is more of a SG (which I don't agree with). Evans has showed that he can play PG, so we put a big SG and big SF on the wings next to him. Who's the other teams PG gonna guard? Evans is big and strong for a PG, so good luck with that. Our SG and SF aren't any smaller, so I don't see why anyone would want to take away one of the only advantages this team has over other teams :confused:
 
Anybody notice that Tyreke is averaging over 7 assists in February? I actually thought his distributing qualitatively improved in January, but his teammates' shooting dropped off a cliff at the same time, so you didn't see it in his assists.
 
Bricklayer said:
As an aside, Reke in February:

10gms 19.5pts (.514 FG%) 5.6reb 7.4ast 1.5stl 0.3blk
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I don't want to compare with Reke since he's on a different level. But the Hornets are 9-9 with Collison starting. That's pretty frickin' remarkable that the Hornets could still compete for a playoff spot, with a rookie PG, even though they have Iverson/Sixers-like dependency on CP3.
 
stevetaebo said:
I don't want to compare with Reke since he's on a different level. But the Hornets are 9-9 with Collison starting. That's pretty frickin' remarkable that the Hornets could still compete for a playoff spot, with a rookie PG, even though they have Iverson/Sixers-like dependency on CP3.
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The only true comparison would be to now let Tryeke run the club for the next 18 games and see what the record would be.. Of course thats not possible. Remember that the Hornets are an experienced team. However if Paul doesn't come back it will start to catch up with them.
 
Bricklayer said:
Reke is turnover prone? And a scorer? That's a laugh.
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You're joking, right?

Out of 46 qualified PGs in the NBA, his A/TO ratio is 43rd. http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...tTurnoverRatio/position/point-guards/count/41

Out of those same 46 PGs, he is the #1 scorer. http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/p...per-game/sort/avgPoints/position/point-guards

How is he not a turnover prone scorer?

(I'm not big on this particular trade, just for the record. I like Collison, but not quite enough.)
 
I read up until whoever wrote that said Evans played better OFF THE BALL..

Bullcrap.. The guy obviously does not know Evans game.. In college he was notorious for NEEDING the ball to be effective (not to mention this year with the Kings).. They did the standard PG/SG thing at Memphis for the first few games and how well did that work out? It didn't start to get good until we had Evans controlling the ball with a great two man game with Anderson. We need another ball handler in the back court, but I don't think a prototypical PG would make the team any better. It would be nice to have a couple of combo guards where one is good with the ball (i.e. Evans) and one is good without the ball.. Who the guy we get who's good without the ball is yet to be determined. That's why I was for the whole "Bring Anderson in for a tryout" thing.. Because I know he's good without the ball. We already have one D-Leaguer from Memphis (Dorsey) so why not bring in Anderson for the heck of it maybe during the summer. It's win win because he wouldn't cost much, and we already know he can play D, pass, handle the ball, and play well with Evans. Would be a cost effective stopgap measure.
 
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