Trade Brad Miller

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SacTownKid said:
Look if we have any hope of keeping a Bonzi/Ron wing combo, we need Brad Miller to spread the floor. He and Bibby are our only 2 legit outside threats. Two very good ones as well. Lets see how Brad bounces back and come back to this subject. I am all for getting a big body to put next to him. Not trading him away for an average role player.

Find a way to bring a guy like Dalembert here WITHOUT giving up Brad. Find a way to bring a guy like Eddie Griffin here WITHOUT giving up Brad.

I woudn't mind moving up in the draft to pick up Shelden Williams. He'd be perfect as that 4/5 combo, shotblocker, rebounder, etc. We've got expiring deals in Hart (when he picks up his option), Vitaly, and Big Nasty. Some good young talent if a draft day deal is expanded in Monia, Garcia, and Martin.
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I agree. On Griffin, we wouldn't give up Brad for him (that'd be odd), nor could we because of contracts.
 
There is no PF that is realistically available to fill a void... the draft is an option... and KG lol but dont think KG is going ne where ne more
 
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
5.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutes
Incoming
Kendrick Perkins
6-10 PF from Ozen (HS)
5.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.4 ppg, +3.1 rpg, and -0.4 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kendrick Perkins
6-10 PF from Ozen (HS)
5.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 1.0 apg in 19.6 minutes
Incoming
Francisco Garcia
6-7 SF from Louisville
5.6 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, -3.1 rpg, and +0.4 apg.

I would like to seethis happen... unproven for unproven... i like PErk's upside more than Cisco's
 
I was thinking the same thing to move Brad to PF which he really is anyways. I know he is slow and all, but he does shoot well and is a cornerstone to out offense, how weird that it is.

Like others have said, we have a PG that is our SG (Bibby), a SG that is our PF (Bonzi), a C who is a Forward of some sort (Miller), and a PF who is our Center at 6' 7" (K9). How weird it is, we actually win games, but we are glaring weakness is that we are softer than a twinkee inside and teams exploit it, especially elite teams like the Spurs.

I don't care what you classify Brad, we need a big rebounder/shot blocker etc that clogs the middle and scares the crap out of people from running at our basket without being put down or at least contested. Brad, Mike, and Ron our the nucleus of the team good or bad. I know Brad is slow, but he is one of the best Centers, if you want to call him such. He just needs a sidekick that will back him up and play guard our basket.

We have enough perimeter defense in Bonzi and Ron, but we need that big burly stud to guard the basket and dish out some beatings on opponents like Parker etc coming in on our basket. Even a guy like Ostertag did great in limited minutes and got his blocks and rebounds and changed the game and that was only for a few minutes off the bench.....how good would it be to see that kind of intensity from a starter?

I like K9 and this isn't a bash against him, but he is way to small to play PF, I'd like to see Brad move to PF, SAR off the bench and us to get a big true defense center in the middle. Then we would be playing with fire. Nene, Dalembert, Chandler, Prizbilla, etc would be so awesome.

The bottom line is Brad does give us offense and little to no defense as does Bibby, that is a problem, but something that can be dealt with with bringing in big Center. I hope we keep Bonzi. We are 1 to 2 players away from being serious about winning this whole thing and giving SA, Dallas, and the other elite teams a run for their money.
 
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Troy said:
I was thinking the same thing to move Brad to PF which he really is anyways. I know he is slow and all, but he does shoot well and is a cornerstone to out offense, how weird that it is.

Like others have said, we have a PG that is our SG (Bibby), a SG that is our PF (Bonzi), a C who is a Forward of some sort (Miller), and a PF who is our Center at 6' 7" (K9). How weird it is, we actually win games, but we are glaring weakness is that we are softer than a twinkee inside and teams exploit it, especially elite teams like the Spurs.

I don't care what you classify Brad, we need a big rebounder/shot blocker etc that clogs the middle and scares the crap out of people from running at our basket without being put down or at least contested. Brad, Mike, and Ron our the nucleus of the team good or bad. I know Brad is slow, but he is one of the best Centers, if you want to call him such. He just needs a sidekick that will back him up and play guard our basket.

We have enough perimeter defense in Bonzi and Ron, but we need that big burly stud to guard the basket and dish out some beatings on opponents like Parker etc coming in on our basket. Even a guy like Ostertag did great in limited minutes and got his blocks and rebounds and changed the game and that was only for a few minutes off the bench.....how good would it be to see that kind of intensity from a starter?

I like K9 and this isn't a bash against him, but he is way to small to play PF, I'd like to see Brad move to PF, SAR off the bench and us to get a big true defense center in the middle. Then we would be playing with fire. Nene, Dalembert, Chandler, Prizbilla, etc would be so awesome.

The bottom line is Brad does give us offense and little to no defense as does Bibby, that is a problem, but something that can be dealt with with bringing in big Center. I hope we keep Bonzi. We are 1 to 2 players away from being serious about winning this whole thing and giving SA, Dallas, and the other elite teams a run for their money.
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I agree, we need a crazy *** scary mofo to clog to middle and swat balls into the nosebleed seats. :)
 
lol, the people saying move brad miller to the PF position is just funny. Can you seriously see him going up against someone of Elton Brand's, Dirk, or Pau Gasol's caliber? They're all PFs and would absolutely crush Brad. Brad Miller needs to be packaged with Bonzi Wells for a Rebounding/Shotblocking C, and a SG who can spread the floor. As it stands now, we have 6'7 guys going into the lane trying to make things happen. This system will not win you a championship without amazing passers like Vlade/Webber were, it just won't happen with Bonzi/Artest. As it stands now, Brad Miller is totally the wrong fit for our team.
 
yanon said:
Our current players are basically doing things contrary to the conventional system. We have short guys trying battle down low for rebound. A point guard who plays like a shooting guard and a center who plays like a point guard. How many teams actually won a championship with a center who is the team's primary passer and has very weak interior defense? Why are the Kings keep trying to prove their awkward system actually works? It is time to build a team following the conventional system.
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We are now somewhat built for the playoffs with Artest, he brings defense and toughness to the team, something that the Playoffs require. It's pretty apparent that when Brad Miller is forced to do these things that a normal C does, he and the team crumbles.
 
Over and over since Reef came, we get to hear how Brad, Bibby, and Adelman (who plays the Princeton O) must go. I just can't help but think that with them gone, and playing a more traditional game, then Shareef could be the star. Well, gag me. Reef can fit into our system or get shipped. The core and the whole friggen system don't have to change to make 1 guy who plays 1 way look good.

It's a shame. I really like Shareef. But, damn it is hard to like players when they have fans who care only about their guy and not about the Sacramento Kings. Pffft! :rolleyes:
 
beemerr23 said:
lol, the people saying move brad miller to the PF position is just funny. Can you seriously see him going up against someone of Elton Brand's, Dirk, or Pau Gasol's caliber? They're all PFs and would absolutely crush Brad. Brad Miller needs to be packaged with Bonzi Wells for a Rebounding/Shotblocking C, and a SG who can spread the floor. As it stands now, we have 6'7 guys going into the lane trying to make things happen. This system will not win you a championship without amazing passers like Vlade/Webber were, it just won't happen with Bonzi/Artest. As it stands now, Brad Miller is totally the wrong fit for our team.
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Brad Miller HAS played at the 4 in our system and he did a pretty good job of it. You must have missed that, too.
 
VF21 said:
Brad Miller HAS played at the 4 in our system and he did a pretty good job of it. You must have missed that, too.
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You must not remember that he had Vlade Divac, one of the best all time passing Center's in the league. You must have forgotten that he had Chris Webber, one of the best passing Power Forwards. Now we have Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest. Sorry buddy, neither are exceptional passers. Next :)
 
beemerr23 said:
You must not remember that he had Vlade Divac, one of the best all time passing Center's in the league. You must have forgotten that he had Chris Webber, one of the best passing Power Forwards. Now we have Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest. Sorry buddy, neither are exceptional passers. Next :)
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No, they're not exceptional passers.

But, you know who is, especially for his position?

I'll give you a hint: relliM darB
 
6th said:
Over and over since Reef came, we get to hear how Brad, Bibby, and Adelman (who plays the Princeton O) must go. I just can't help but think that with them gone, and playing a more traditional game, then Shareef could be the star. Well, gag me. Reef can fit into our system or get shipped. The core and the whole friggen system don't have to change to make 1 guy who plays 1 way look good.

It's a shame. I really like Shareef. But, damn it is hard to like players when they have fans who care only about their guy and not about the Sacramento Kings. Pffft! :rolleyes:
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Who EVER said that Bibby has to go...? Shareef is very good off the bench and should definitely be kept. He's instant offense and plays ok defense, nothing great. If he also got more playtime, he'd get around 9 rebounds per/game, something our C should be doing.
 
GoGoGadget said:
No, they're not exceptional passers.

But, you know who is, especially for his position?

I'll give you a hint: relliM darB
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Yeah...that's cool I guess. Inform me when he starts to play defense and rebounds like a real C should lol
 
You said it wouldn't work to move Brad to the 4. I disagreed because, under the right circumstances, he can play the 4. I haven't forgotten. Your comment about Webber makes zero sense, considering Brad took Webber's place at the 4. You're mixing your comments/responses.

If we move Brad to the 4, there's a chance (hypothetically) that we could find a passing big man to replace him at the 5. Is there a big chance? Well, of course not.

And, another thing you apparently haven't noticed, is that Artest actually is doing pretty good in passing. He's led in assists several times and has served as the cut-off or middle man on a number of occasions. Those things, unfortunately, don't show up in the boxscores.
 
beemerr23 said:
Yeah...that's cool I guess. Inform me when he starts to play defense and rebounds like a real C should lol
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I'll make sure she sends you a memo because it's pretty obvious you wouldn't be able to figure it out for yourself. lol
 
VF21 said:
You said it wouldn't work to move Brad to the 4. I disagreed because, under the right circumstances, he can play the 4. I haven't forgotten. Your comment about Webber makes zero sense, considering Brad took Webber's place at the 4. You're mixing your comments/responses.

If we move Brad to the 4, there's a chance (hypothetically) that we could find a passing big man to replace him at the 5. Is there a big chance? Well, of course not.

And, another thing you apparently haven't noticed, is that Artest actually is doing pretty good in passing. He's led in assists several times and has served as the cut-off or middle man on a number of occasions. Those things, unfortunately, don't show up in the boxscores.
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You missed the whole point of my post. It was to show you that Brad Miller at the 4 with Bonzi at the 2 and Artest at the 3 will not work because they aren't great passers like Vlade and Webber were. They got away with the Princeton style offense because we possessed great passers, something we do not have right now. Now, if Brad was at the 4, a solid C that can shot block/rebound at the 5, and a shooting guard at the 2 who can spread the floor, I'm all for keeping Brad as he's a great passer like you said. Artest is getting asissts because he has the ball in his hands on almost every possession. Right now, he's our go-to guy, so having a great passing C doesn't do much good..

Regarding your last post, are you implying he does play good D and rebounds? lol
 
beemerr23 said:
Yeah...that's cool I guess. Inform me when he starts to play defense and rebounds like a real C should lol
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I'll be glad to, so long as you return the favor and send me a memo the second that your response has anything to do with my comment.

At no point have I ever said that Brad Miller's defense and rebounding is up to par. Never.
 
lol so how does your post relate with anything I've said? that's like me just randomly posting "Yea Smush Parker isn't a good shooting point guard...but you know who is? Mike Bibby" Yea...so what lol
 
beemerr23 said:
You missed the whole point of my post. It was to show you that Brad Miller at the 4 with Bonzi at the 2 and Artest at the 3 will not work because they aren't great passers like Vlade and Webber were. They got away with the Princeton style offense because we possessed great passers, something we do not have right now. Now, if Brad was at the 4, a solid C that can shot block/rebound at the 5, and a shooting guard at the 2 who can spread the floor, I'm all for keeping Brad as he's a great passer like you said. Artest is getting asissts because he has the ball in his hands on almost every possession. Right now, he's our go-to guy, so having a great passing C doesn't do much good..

Regarding your last post, are you implying he does play good D and rebounds? lol
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I also miss the unicorns and dragons flying overhead...lol.
 
beemerr23 said:
You missed the whole point of my post. It was to show you that Brad Miller at the 4 with Bonzi at the 2 and Artest at the 3 will not work because they aren't great passers like Vlade and Webber were. They got away with the Princeton style offense because we possessed great passers, something we do not have right now. Now, if Brad was at the 4, a solid C that can shot block/rebound at the 5, and a shooting guard at the 2 who can spread the floor, I'm all for keeping Brad as he's a great passer like you said. Artest is getting asissts because he has the ball in his hands on almost every possession. Right now, he's our go-to guy, so having a great passing C doesn't do much good..
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:confused: :confused:

Clearly I'm missing something here.

We can't play Brad at the 4 because Ron and Bonzi aren't great passers... unless we get a center who rebounds/block shots (but doesn't pass), at which point we could play Brad at the 4 even though Ron and Bonzi aren't great passers...

wait...

that can't be it...



Are you completely missing your own point, or am I taking crazy pills?
 
beemerr23 said:
lol so how does your post relate with anything I've said? that's like me just randomly posting "Yea Smush Parker isn't a good shooting point guard...but you know who is? Mike Bibby" Yea...so what lol
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How does my post relate to yours?

I s'pose it doesn't, really.

Unless, of course, you stop and think about the fact that you're advocating the trade of the team's second best passer while simultaneously commenting that the team doesn't currently have enough good passers.
 
GoGoGadget said:
:confused: :confused:

Clearly I'm missing something here.

We can't play Brad at the 4 because Ron and Bonzi aren't great passers... unless we get a center who rebounds/block shots (but doesn't pass), at which point we could play Brad at the 4 even though Ron and Bonzi aren't great passers...

wait...

that can't be it...



Are you completely missing your own point, or am I taking crazy pills?
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what the... did you completely miss the part where i said and a shooting guard that can spread the floor? Also, I said in order for the princeton-style offense to work and be effecient, we need better passers in Artest and Bonzi. As long as they are here, the princeton-style offense will not work. If Bonzi and Artest are staying, you might as well go with the conventional team and get rid of a C who doesn't rebound/play D.
 
beemerr23 said:
If Bonzi and Artest are staying, you might as well go with the conventional team and get rid of a C who doesn't rebound/play D.
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Fine. We'll get rid of him. We'll move him to the 4 and bring in a center who can rebound and play D.

Problem solved...
 
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