Trade Brad Miller

[HndsmCelt]

Trade Brad... well nothing like a simple knee jerk reaction to a comlex problem.
1. Ok I'll bite, REALISTICALY trade him for who?
2. Seriously now... Brick has pointed out the big pluss Brad brings to the offense... suffice it to say no other center out there can bring the high post ball distribution and outside shooting.

Reasonably speaking it is MUCH more likely to find a PF who can play tougher inside than Reef or Kenny and that is where the Kings will have to look.

 

[GameBall]

It's very easy to talk about trading a player after he has a terrible game (only one rebound). Brad can still turn it around in Game 2. However, having said all that, I think if we can get someone in return, I think it's time to trade him. He makes mediocre opposing centers (Joe Prizbilla, anyone??) look like Shaq. Also, he has lost all confidence in his shot. He is displaying the demeanor that Peja had before he was traded, where his heart just doesn't seem to be there. Maybe it is there, but it doesn't seem like it.

 

[SacTownKid]

lol, the people saying move brad miller to the PF position is just funny. Can you seriously see him going up against someone of Elton Brand's, Dirk, or Pau Gasol's caliber? They're all PFs and would absolutely crush Brad. Brad Miller needs to be packaged with Bonzi Wells for a Rebounding/Shotblocking C, and a SG who can spread the floor. As it stands now, we have 6'7 guys going into the lane trying to make things happen. This system will not win you a championship without amazing passers like Vlade/Webber were, it just won't happen with Bonzi/Artest. As it stands now, Brad Miller is totally the wrong fit for our team.

Next time we play the Clipps see who Brad gaurds. It may surprise you.

 

[SacTownKid]

This is where I get confused. You yourself mentioned that moving Brad to PF would be an acceptable plan if we got a center that rebounded/blocked shots because he was such a good passer.



Yet, VF21 suggests it, and you disagree.

So, I've gotta wonder, are you confused, or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

Oooh. snap.

 

[Rome]

Someone mentioned earlier that having only one good passer doesn't have an big impact. Brad is a good center but right now he isn't any better then say P.J Brown. Thats if you like centers who can "spread the floor".

Every team has to have an identity. The Phoenix Suns have a fast paced style of game. The Spurs have a roster of all defensive players. The Mavs have a coach that drown the Mavs player with defense. Our team has no indentiy. Not to mention they don't know how to communicate on the defense end.

If we try trading KT we can't get anything in return. Our only hope would be trading Brad+KT+Bonzi for a nice PF/C +SG.

 

[AriesMar27]

nene is the key.... too bad denver traded watson.... it could have been nene and watson for miller....

 

[Rome]

nene is the key.... too bad denver traded watson.... it could have been nene and watson for miller....

Nene would be nice. I would trade Brad for Nene and a quality Guard in a second.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

denver wants nene... kmart will get shipped soon

 

[rexb_kings]

i have a feeling when we get rid of B.Miller, Bibby will be next. Then and only then the Kings will have all tough players. Might as well build around Artest and Bonzi, with our young guns. Maybe we'll win it all by then.

 

[Padrino]

i have a feeling when we get rid of B.Miller, Bibby will be next. Then and only then the Kings will have all tough players. Might as well build around Artest and Bonzi, with our young guns. Maybe we'll win it all by then.

bibby's tough as nails and cold as ice. he's a poor defender, but the dude's a trooper-and-a-half. he's played nearly the entire season with all sorts of bumps and bruises, and i've never heard a word of complaint from his mouth. he never makes excuses, and while his poor defense is clearly an important deficiency, i don't think it would be all that pertinent to trade one of the league's best shooting PG's. of course, that doesn't mean the maloofs wouldn't do it--they've traded the heart and soul of this team before--but it doesn't mean they should.

 

[BMiller52]

If they traded Mike this offseason I'd be very pissed off. The guy goes out there and plays his hardest. He's our best shooter and he's a good passer. There are a lot of PGs that don't defend well in the league but their teams get by. Get Mike some shotblockers and we'll be fine.

I have a feeling Denver ships out Kenyon so they can re-sign Nene.

To be honest, I want Petrie to try to trade up in the draft and grab Aldridge or Thomas.

 

[Bricklayer]

Mike is tough in every way except one. He rarely misses a game. He loves the big moments.

And lest I have to remind everyone again, we KNOW Mike Bibby can be the starting PG on a 60+win championship level team. One of only two Kings we can say that about.

 

[BMiller52]

Mike is tough in every way except one. He rarely misses a game. He loves the big moments.

And lest I have to remind everyone again, we KNOW Mike Bibby can be the starting PG on a 60+win championship level team. One of only two Kings we can say that about.

Who's the other one? Ron?

 

[Bricklayer]

Who's the other one? Ron?

Yes. Starting SF for a 60+win ECF team himself. Of course he then proceeded to rip that team to shreds, but nonetheless, he's the other guy who's proven he can hang and contribute at the elite level.

Bonzi was also on a great 59 win WCF Portland team back there, but he was a reserve at the time.

 

[CruzDude]

My view on Brad is one item: where is the overall benefit from his high post game and some passing and outside shooting
vs.
really bad defense in middle and no low post game, little or no shot blocking, and very slow to cut off opposing players having layup practice at Kings expense.

Sure he is a great guy but is his offensive benefits exceeding his defensive liabilities? sure doesn't look like it past few months and especially in playoffs.

But before we trade him one has to take an honest look at who would want Brad and what would they give up to get him? Or how do we get something closer to what is needed then who would take Brad? Probably only via a 3 way trade or going after a free agent then putting Brad on bench.

His flashes of being really good are few and far between. If we wear GM hats and owner hats for a minute, image what the Maloofs are seeing and they are as rabid fans as any of us.

Next topic is bound to be our 4's, KT and SAR.

 

[Rome]

Thats it I don't care what you folks say, I want Brad Miller OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[captain bill]

Tonight showed what we need: depth, 3pt shooters, a defensive stopper on the inside. Offense seemed to do just find without Brad tonight. Why should a whole season be different?

 

[Rome]

i dont understand why some people are just ready to throw him away..there are not alot of centers out there better than him, i wonder if this thread will die down if brad goes the next game 15 11 and 5..and kenny thomas when asked about the lack of rebounds had a good point..there were not alot of rebounds for the kings to get tonight..i dont think thats an excuse for brad having 1 rebound at all..but it is 1 game

Thats 2 games and counting....

Im serious guys. Whats so special about Brad. You want to talk about a playoff choker then lets talk about the Brad. He constantly lets any center in the playoffs like Jerome James abuse him while contributing very little in the offensive end. What good is it when your center gets 15 pts but gives up 20 to skrubs like Foyle. And thats if your even lucky to get 15 pts from Miller.

 

[SacTownKid]

Tonight showed what we need: depth, 3pt shooters, a defensive stopper on the inside. Offense seemed to do just find without Brad tonight. Why should a whole season be different?

You left out a re-signed Bonzi Wells.

Don't forget Brad is having to adjust, although that is no excuse for his lack of effort and success in every other aspect of the game.

 

[Rome]

You left out a re-signed Bonzi Wells.

Don't forget Brad is having to adjust, although that is no excuse for his lack of effort and success in every other aspect of the game.

Wow give me a break, how many playoff games does it take for "Brad to adjust" He has had all the time he can get and yet some how finds a way to play no defense and now recently play no offense.

Brad = Playoff Choker. Even more then Peja.

 

[Troy]

Wow give me a break, how many playoff games does it take for "Brad to adjust" He has had all the time he can get and yet some how finds a way to play no defense and now recently play no offense.

Brad = Playoff Choker. Even more then Peja.

I see Brad wanting to go to the Pacers sooner than later with his Pejaness lack of effort. He is making it rather easy to want him off the team. I know he can play better. He is a 7 footer after all and is getting man handled by 6 footers. It's like he is playing the game in a pool of water, he is so slow. I keep having to check my tv to make sure I'm not in slow mo.

 

[NBAGURU]

I see Brad wanting to go to the Pacers sooner than later with his Pejaness lack of effort. He is making it rather easy to want him off the team. I know he can play better. He is a 7 footer after all and is getting man handled by 6 footers. It's like he is playing the game in a pool of water, he is so slow. I keep having to check my tv to make sure I'm not in slow mo.

I remember hearing Indiana cleaning house. I say trade Miller and K. thomas for Jermaine Oneal.

 

[Bricklayer]

I remember hearing Indiana cleaning house. I say trade Miller and K. thomas for Jermaine Oneal.

Er...yeah, and the Pacer swould go for that?

Besides, we really can't add Jermaine for the simple reason that he was apparently one of the significant problems for Ron in Indy.

IF I was going to try to trade Brad inot the general region near home, I'm maybe thinking back to Chicago. IF.

 

[BMiller52]

I remember hearing Indiana cleaning house. I say trade Miller and K. thomas for Jermaine Oneal.

There's no way they'd do that. I'm fine with trading Brad now, I'm sick of his lack of effort. Defense isn't all athleticism, look at a guy like Andres Nocioni. It's EFFORT, and HUSTLE. Rebounding is effort and boxing out too-Brad doesn't box out or try as hard as he can. He seriously makes playing basketball look effortless-well if you want to play like a scrub that is.

 

[Troy]

Er...yeah, and the Pacer swould go for that?

Besides, we really can't add Jermaine for the simple reason that he was apparently one of the significant problems for Ron in Indy.

IF I was going to try to trade Brad inot the general region near home, I'm maybe thinking back to Chicago. IF.

Tyson Chander and Duon would be nice. We could package KT with Brad and/or add Corliss for an expiring contract. Brad is showing more and more than he doesn't want to be in Sacto and we thus don't want him. No more Peja like 1/2 arsed efforts, we need someone not merly going threw the motions like in slow mo.

Bonzi is a keeper. He really put on a clinic in the 1st 1/2 especially. It didn't matter than 3 or 4 big Spur players were around the basket, he just went through them.

 

[yanon]

Bricklayer,

Chris Wilcox might turn into the next Shawn Kemp (when he wasn't fat). Ben Wallace wasn't all that until he arrive in Detroit and find a the correct system in which he can flourish.

 

[Gilles]

Chris Wilcox might turn into the next Shawn Kemp (when he wasn't fat). Ben Wallace wasn't all that until he arrive in Detroit and find a the correct system in which he can flourish.

You could say about Ben that he would have a nice career after a season with Bullets when both Webber and Howard repeatedly complained that Ben was too physical for them and was killing them in practice. It was time when there still were quite a few enforcers in the league.
To get Wilcox you will have to overpay him badly: with modern prices he easily can get 10mln/y which means overpaying is something like 12 mln/y. And you'll have to give Seattle something valuable to agree to trade their ideal as it seems PF of the future. Plus Wilcox is average personal and poor help defender though he's quite outstanding among Sonics.

 

[SLAB]

Im on this bandwagon now.

Brad decided to take his annuall leave of absense...Unfortunatly he's not injured and his leave is affecting his on the court play.

He's been pathetic.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i love how brad does sissy fouls and allows the other team to get the AND 1. it's a beautiful thing to watch.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

at least he knows not to send the message that he's in the paint.