Threeway Trade Idea

[Jespher]

So here's a threeway deal that would shore up the PG spot for the Kings, help New Jersey's rebuild, and solidify the front court for Charlotte. We wouldn't be trading with any other west teams, and Charlotte and New Jersey are in different divisions...

http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/

Sacramento Outgoing

Kevin Martin (To New Jersey)
Brad Miller (To Charlotte)
1st Round Pick via Houston

Sacramento Incoming

Devin Harris (From New Jersey)
Gerald Wallace (From Charlotte)
Chris Douglas-Roberts (From New Jersey)
Alexis Ajinca (From Charlotte)

New Jersey Outgoing

Devin Harris (To Sacramento)
Chris Douglas-Roberts (To Sacramento)
Stromile Swift (To Charlotte)

New Jersey Incoming

Raymond Felton (From Charlotte)
Kevin Martin (From Sacramento)
1st Round Pick (From Sacramento via Houston)

Charlotte Outgoing

Raymond Felton (To New Jersey)
Gerald Wallace (To Sacramento)
Alexis Ajinca (To Sacramento)

Charlotte Incoming

Brad Miller (From Sacramento)
Stromile Swift (From Sacramento)


Why Sacramento Does This: This trade would solidify the PG rotation going forward, the toughest to fill. The Kings would be set with Devin Harris, Beno Udrih, Bobby Brown, and even Quincy Douby/Bobby Jackson/Francisco Garcia. Kings gain young pieces in both the back and front court to continue with the rebuild, and make room for Spencer Hawes to start. Moves K-Mart before his ankle injuries catch up with him.

Why Sacramento Doesn't do this: Currently, their offense runs through Brad Miller, and losing him for unproven youth would be a detriment short term. The biggest hurdle for this deal would be parting with Kevin Martin, who is blossoming into a near allstar, and is a special offensive player. Gerald Wallace is also injured a lot, and his contract runs through the free agent bonanza known as 2010.

Why New Jersey Does This: Putting Kevin Martin alongside Vince Carter, Ryan Anderson, and Brooke Lopez, makes a potent offensive team. This gives them a perennial all-star talent in Martin a nice PG to boot, and 2 1st round picks this year. Kevin would also live close to his good friend Pete Carrill.

Why New Jersey Doesn't do this: Devin Harris already looks like an All-Star, and he fills a need more than Kevin Martin does. The pick is late in a weak draft

Why Charlotte Does This: To finally get a quality starting center. Brad is a large expiring in 2010, which is nice, and Stromile Swift expires this year. Both players could play alongside Okafur, and Brad would dramatically improve their pathetic offense. Finally move Gerald Wallace's contract which is large for an oft injured player.

Why Charlotte Doesn't do this: Decreased PG depth and losing their 1st round pick of Ajinca are the only reasons they would hesitate...

Kings New Lineup

PG Devin Harris/Beno Udrih/Bobby Brown/Bobby Jackson
SG John Salmons/Francisco Garcia/Chris Douglas-Roberts/Quincy Douby
SF Gerald Wallace/Dante Greene/Francisco Garcia
PF Jason Thompson/Mikki Moore/Sheldon Williams/Kenny Thomas
C Spencer Hawes/Alexis Ajinca/Sheldon Williams

Bobcats Lineup:

PG DJ Augustine
SG Raja Bell
SF Adam Morrison
PF Emeka Okafur
C Brad Miller

New Jersey Lineup:

PG Raymond Felton
SG Kevin Martin
SF Vince Carter
PF Yi Jianlian/Ryan Anderson
C Brook Lopez

 

[bajaden]

I don't think there's any way on earth that N.J. gives up Harris, who is one of the best point guards in the NBA. No offense to Kevin, but he's easier to replace than a great pt guard. From our pt of view, I would do the trade, but it just doesn't appear were giving up that much, for what we were receiving.

 

[Jespher]

Strange how the tides have turned. I remember making the same Harris for Martin argument when Harris played for Dallas, and I was told that Kevin was hands down the better player...

 

[Heuge]

Strange how the tides have turned. I remember making the same Harris for Martin argument when Harris played for Dallas, and I was told that Kevin was hands down the better player...

Because he still is.

 

[RalphySampson]

I don't think there's any way on earth that N.J. gives up Harris, who is one of the best point guards in the NBA. No offense to Kevin, but he's easier to replace than a great pt guard. From our pt of view, I would do the trade, but it just doesn't appear were giving up that much, for what we were receiving.

I totally agree with this. Baja....we finally agree on something! There is literally no chance NJ would ever want this trade.

 

[SacKings7]

Harris has to be considered an MVP candidate at this point in the season, so no, I don't see NJ touching this at all. I like it for us though

 

[Dime Dropper]

Because he still is.

Nope, you're wrong.
Harris is better by quite some distance. He's having an excellent season. Averaging 25ppg, 6apg, 3rpg, 1spg. Kevin will never put up those kind of numbers. He's too one dimensional, and this is from a Kevin fan.

 

[Kingster]

I don't think there's any way on earth that N.J. gives up Harris, who is one of the best point guards in the NBA. No offense to Kevin, but he's easier to replace than a great pt guard. From our pt of view, I would do the trade, but it just doesn't appear were giving up that much, for what we were receiving.

Yeah, I remember the debate that we used to have about Bibby and Harris. I wonder how many people think Bibby is better than Harris now?

Harris >>> Bibby.

 

[Jespher]

I think that Kevin Martin is a better player than Devin Harris because of his ability to get to the line. Kevin's height makes him a better rebounder also, but the ability to put the opposition in foul trouble should not be overlooked.

Furthermore, Felton and Harris average the same number of assists/game, yet the Bobcats have far fewer finishers than the Nets. I think that Felton would flourish if he could run and dish with Vince Carter, Kevin Martin, Brook Lopez, and Ryan Anderson to finish. His assist totals could be close to 10/game with that group.

 

[PacMan]

I think that Kevin Martin is a better player than Devin Harris because of his ability to get to the line. Kevin's height makes him a better rebounder also, but the ability to put the opposition in foul trouble should not be overlooked.

Furthermore, Felton and Harris average the same number of assists/game, yet the Bobcats have far fewer finishers than the Nets. I think that Felton would flourish if he could run and dish with Vince Carter, Kevin Martin, Brook Lopez, and Ryan Anderson to finish. His assist totals could be close to 10/game with that group.

Harris is currently outrebounding Martin for the season.

 

[Heuge]

Nope, you're wrong.
Harris is better by quite some distance. He's having an excellent season. Averaging 25ppg, 6apg, 3rpg, 1spg. Kevin will never put up those kind of numbers. He's too one dimensional, and this is from a Kevin fan.

You think I am wrong. Kevin and Harris are different players. Kevin, IMO, is still a bit better then Harris. He gets to the line better then most, he is a bit better of a finisher, and moves real well without the ball. Talk to me, when Harris has done this for more then 20 games.

 

[Jespher]

Harris is currently outrebounding Martin for the season.

That is because of Martin's ankle injury, over their careers Martin out rebounds Harris 3.6 to 2.2 RPG.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Harris is better than Martin as of now. Martin is a bonafide scorer who's established himself as quite the one-dimensional player (hopefully he develops his all-around game a la Rip Hamilton in his later years), but in terms of all around game, Harris fits the bill and then some, and also can score.

 

[Mad D]

I think that Kevin Martin is a better player than Devin Harris because of his ability to get to the line.

I think this is an overlooked ability that people tend to glance over with Martin. Getting to the line stops the clock and gives you points along with causing foul problems for the other team.

...but this year Devin Harris is leading the NBA in free throws made at 9 and second behind Dwight at 11 attempts per game.

In terms of talent if Harris continues his play at this current level and Martin returns to his previous playing form the talent level is even. As far as player position, the PG is more valuable.

 

[Jespher]

So if you couldn't get Devin Harris for Kevin Martin, Raymond Felton, and a 1st round pick what would it take to trade for him?

 

[Amory]

Talk to me, when Harris has done this for more then 20 games.

Totally agree.

Don't get me wrong, Harris is a REALLY good PG. How long has he been MVP quality for though?

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

So if you couldn't get Devin Harris for Kevin Martin, Raymond Felton, and a 1st round pick what would it take to trade for him?

Nothing?

...By the way, I think I've broached on the topic of how Raymond Felton killed my fantasy team last year with his shooting, and at this point my extremely irrational belief is that he should be playing off the bench. Harris needs to regress back to his Dallas days to even start trade conversations back up again, but even then the impression of his potential (his ability to put up 47 pts on the board) is probably more than enough to make him untouchable even in that scenario. If you've proven that you can do certain unique things few players can, and combine that with the elite level speed and physical tools, and the leadership ability (really elevating an overachieving NJ Nets team), and the all-around talent (good passing and rebounding ability if his offense is negated), then it's hard to get that player in trade.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not to mention that Harris plays (somewhat overrated) defense.

Besides, I still do not see us moving Kevin. The hype machine has been too invested there for anything less a megastar in return.

 

[bajaden]

Strange how the tides have turned. I remember making the same Harris for Martin argument when Harris played for Dallas, and I was told that Kevin was hands down the better player...

Twernt me..

 

[FakeInjury]

Its good for me because of how many names were dropped, keep it up.

 

[SacKings7]

Strange how the tides have turned. I remember making the same Harris for Martin argument when Harris played for Dallas, and I was told that Kevin was hands down the better player...

That's because I honestly believe that Dallas' system was holding him back from showing his true potential. Don't forget that he was a #5 overall pick and they traded Jamison to get him. NJ's system suits him perfectly and he's showing it.

 

[mac]

My question is more about why Charlotte would do it. I don't really know what they're doing now in terms of so called moving forward from their young core, but I don't think Brad Miller would be in their plans due to his age.

 

[Jespher]

Brad would fill their huge hole up front until his contract expires in 2010. Larry Brown loves those types of veteran players who can step in and contribute immediately, and their offense is horrible right now, so he would help there as well.