Second Point Guard Battle Royal Sunday

[Smills91]

Bailout buckets. I can say with almost 100% certainty that 3 of those assists on average per game was Curry passing because he had nothing for himself and it was a catch and shoot from who he passed to.

Still 4 assists a game at the collegiate level(less time, lesser players, zone defenses) is STILL a good average.

The kid will get at LEAST 6 assists in the NBA while hitting open jumpers and averaging 15 ppg at the worst.

That's not bad. There are definitely players I like MORE than Curry, but I won't be disappointed with Curry.

 

[upinsmoke]

WOW Johny Flynn, Tyreke Evans and Steph Curry all look to have solid game. I think Jennings is out of the running now.

 

[funkykingston]

The kid will get at LEAST 6 assists in the NBA while hitting open jumpers and averaging 15 ppg at the worst.

I'd almost be shocked if Curry averaged 6 assists per game next year. He'll have the ball in his hands less and won't face double teams which means that any assists will be ones he created rather than hitting an open man. He has yet to show me he can do that.

 

[ElRey]

I watched that workout video over and over again, but no one seems to really standout. But I guess all these videos are more or less highlight videos, so you can't tell who came out on top. Jason Jones posted two extra videos of Evans in sacbee, so my suspicion is that Evans came out on top again. One of the videos has Evans blowing right by Curry (either Curry is slow or Evans is quick, i suspect the latter).


http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/2009/06/workout-video-f.html

 

[Smills91]

I'd almost be shocked if Curry averaged 6 assists per game next year. He'll have the ball in his hands less and won't face double teams which means that any assists will be ones he created rather than hitting an open man. He has yet to show me he can do that.

I didn't say NEXT year, I said in the NBA. You don't think Curry can average 6 assists in the NBA???

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

umm ok. So we can say Currys assists are bail out assissts but Johnny Flynns were 'real' assists. Curry is a good passer, Ive seen it, I know he is and while you can say he isnt I know what ive seen, he can pass and he can make plays. He can also stretch the D with his shot and give guys like Kmart open looks.

Curry played on a Davidson team with no help. none. There isnt another player on that team that has a chance at being drafted. I would hope Curry had the ball the entire time on a team like that.

I want the ball in the hands of my point guard anyways, this guy is 'arguably' the best scorer in the whole draft, he also happens to be a point guard, nothing wrong with that.

 

[Gary]

Still 4 assists a game at the collegiate level(less time, lesser players, zone defenses) is STILL a good average.

The kid will get at LEAST 6 assists in the NBA while hitting open jumpers and averaging 15 ppg at the worst.

That's not bad. There are definitely players I like MORE than Curry, but I won't be disappointed with Curry.

You are talking stats like that's all that matters.. So a guy can average 15-6, but if he's not helping the team by being the floor general we need then it does not matter.

Hell, give me the ball every time and let everyone I pass to immediately take the shot and I guarantee you I will average 10 assists a game... Would you want me playing PG though because I can get some assists?

 

[Gary]

umm ok. So we can say Currys assists are bail out assissts but Johnny Flynns were 'real' assists. Curry is a good passer, Ive seen it, I know he is and while you can say he isnt I know what ive seen, he can pass and he can make plays. He can also stretch the D with his shot and give guys like Kmart open looks.

Curry played on a Davidson team with no help. none. There isnt another player on that team that has a chance at being drafted. I would hope Curry had the ball the entire time on a team like that.

I want the ball in the hands of my point guard anyways, this guy is 'arguably' the best scorer in the whole draft, he also happens to be a point guard, nothing wrong with that.

Yes there is because he's not a point guard.. He's about as much of a PG as Douby is right now. Which isn't much.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Yes there is because he's not a point guard.. He's about as much of a PG as Douby is right now. Which isn't much.

err Quincy Douby? really? were going to compare Quincy Douby to Stephen Curry? Douby will be lucky to have a job next year ... If you dont believe in Curry than thats fine, but saying he isnt as good a point guard as Quincy Douby is pretty rediculous.

by the way, I'd say at least half the assists in the NBA come from catch and shoot type plays, but whatever.

 

[=LarryLegend=]

Johnny Flynn baby!

My boy Mills got his Kings workout also!!

 

[Henkel]

Curry is a combo guard, it's that simple. I don't want Martin paired up with anything but a real point guard. This team needs a better ball handler and distributor then Curry. He has some skills in those area but that's not why he is going to be a top 10 pick. He is a a great scorer and shooter, if you are expecting him to come in and run a team I think you are going to be disappointed.

 

[rings4Kings]

It would have been interesting to see how Harden would have done in that group. I think more consideration should be given to Harden if he is on the board, simply the BPA theory... If Harden is on the board at four, then most likely, Griffin, Rubio, and Thebet are taken, and I would argue that Harden is the BPA and should be taken next (regardless of the position he plays). I'm glad I don't have to make this tough decision, an argument can be made why every player is the right pick… I can’t wait to see how it all unfolds.

 

[bajaden]

I'd almost be shocked if Curry averaged 6 assists per game next year. He'll have the ball in his hands less and won't face double teams which means that any assists will be ones he created rather than hitting an open man. He has yet to show me he can do that.

I hate to nic pic. But an assist is hitting an open man and it leads to a basket. Just hitting an open man doesn't always lead to an assist. Therefore, hitting the right open man with the ball at the right time while being double teamed is the essence of what an assist is.

So what your trying to tell me, or everyone, is that if a player hits an open man while being double or triple teamed, that doesn't really count. But if he hits an open man when no one is even defending him, thats a good assist. I would love to play in your league, and so would Curry.

 

[bajaden]

Yes there is because he's not a point guard.. He's about as much of a PG as Douby is right now. Which isn't much.

Mi amigo, your starting to not make sense. I know your passionate about this. But step back and take a breath. Its just not as black and white as your trying to make it. Don't throw objectivity out the window. Its one thing to say you don't think that Curry isn't a good fit. But its quite another to compare him to Douby. I've seen Curry play quite a bit, and Quincy Douby he's not.

He's not my preference, but he's also not without talent. He's one of the best pure shooters I've seen in a long while. He singlehandlely took Davidson to within a heartbeat of the final four. You simply cannot deny that it took a special talent to do that. As I said, he's not my choice, but I can still admire him as a very good player.

 

[fnordius]

So what your trying to tell me, or everyone, is that if a player hits an open man while being double or triple teamed, that doesn't really count. But if he hits an open man when no one is even defending him, thats a good assist. I would love to play in your league, and so would Curry.

Then again, for purposes of this particular discussion, that's mostly relevant if we expect to be picking someone who will be triple teamed on a regular basis in the NBA. Our schedule's a lot tougher than Davidson's. I'm not sure that we can expect that much of a #4 pick in a seemingly shallow draft year.

I didn't watch as many of his games as I might have, and his 1.6:1 A/TO ratio seems consistent with passing out of double and triple teams, but I see something disturbing in his numbers. I see a lot of games where he jacks up huge numbers of 3 pointers. Some nights he can't hit the broad side of a barn, but just keeps on shooting threes. 2 of 13, 3 of 16, etc. During the year, he made 177 assists and attempted 305 three pointers. Were his teammates so truly pathetic that they had no better chance of scoring than for him to keep bricking shots from downtown?

 

[TheBigO]

I hate to nic pic. But an assist is hitting an open man and it leads to a basket. Just hitting an open man doesn't always lead to an assist. Therefore, hitting the right open man with the ball at the right time while being double teamed is the essence of what an assist is.

So what your trying to tell me, or everyone, is that if a player hits an open man while being double or triple teamed, that doesn't really count. But if he hits an open man when no one is even defending him, thats a good assist. I would love to play in your league, and so would Curry.

I'm not really how sure how much clearer I can be on this point and fnordius made part of my point for me but here goes:

Curry's assist number are not indicative of him being a PG or a playmaker. They are indicative of him controlling the ball the vast majority of the time in Davidson's offense and being the focus of the defense, neither of which will be the case on the NBA level.

Passing the ball only after you can't get your own shot isn't the same as constantly looking to set up teammates. The Iverson comparison is apt in this case. Despite what his father says, Curry has yet to show that he really is a PG.

 

[Kingster]

He sounds intriguing. Does he have any ability to penetrate or finish at the rim. I'm guessing not too much or we would be talking about him earlier in the first round. However, could be a worthwhile gamble late. We could use a feisty defensive minded point guard. Although, if we do draft a PG early, I would not be surprised to see Petrie snag Heytvelt with 31.

I didn't see a whole lot of penetrating and finishing at the rim. But keep in mind that he basically was the only offensive threat on the floor, and the other guys were big players that clogged the middle. So that has to be factored in.

 

[kingsnation]

Here's a small blurb from a Chad Ford article regarding Sunday's workouts:

• The Kings had a great workout in Sacramento on Sunday, with Tyreke Evans, Stephen Curry, Jonny Flynn and Nick Calathes taking part. And from what I can gather, Sunday might end up being the day Ricky Rubio lost his chance to get drafted by the Kings if he's still available at No. 4.
Several people in the Kings' front office already doubted Rubio was the right fit, so it didn't help that he wasn't there to duke it out with the other top prospects. It's hard to make the case for Rubio when he's not at a workout.
Meanwhile, it was the second Sacto workout for Flynn and Evans.
Flynn was at the top of the Kings' board coming into the workout, but Evans emerged at the top. His physicality was just too much for Flynn, Curry and Calathes to handle.
As one Kings scout said, "It was a man beating up boys."
That could be bad news for Rubio. With Sacramento general manager Geoff Petrie looking for a player who can contribute right away, Flynn and Evans are getting more attention.
If Rubio slides past Sacramento at No. 4, he could be heading to either Washington at 5, Minnesota at 6 or New York at 8. The Wizards haven't seen him yet, and neither have the Wolves. But if the Knicks want to see him, I think Rubio will find a way to accommodate them.

 

[ElRey]

Here's a small blurb from a Chad Ford article regarding Sunday's workouts:

This is Chad Ford though...meaning national media... so I don't know

 

[Kingster]

"As for Curry's defense, and in particular, that nasty crossover that shook Evans free? "Every rookie has to figure out how to keep quicker guys in front of them," Dell Curry said. "He will have to adjust to that. But he's a crafty guy, and one thing Steph has going for him is that he can shoot the ball. In this league, there is always a place for someone who can shoot." - A. Voison.

Where there's smoke...

 

[swisshh]

There is two major issues with that Chad Ford article.

1. Rubio is exactly the fit the Kings need. A true PG with high potential to be a leader.

2. The Kings don't need someone to contribute right away. They are a year or two from being a playoff team anyways, so they can have a player that needs a season to develop.




So either management is retarded or Chad is full of it.