Personally I think keeping buddy in every game to close out the game, while he Jack's up 3 after 3 while playing no defense is what's killing us in the 4th. While Luke plays touch butt sitting there watching instead of coaching is a huge problem. Buddy isn't starting for a reason, why depend on him at the end of the game when defense really matters. Some point to, we are down a few points and complelty neglected the fact that you have to make stops to come back. No matter how much you score, if they are scoring too, you won't come back. Those mindless 3s are great when they go in, and game killers when they don't. I'll take some consistency from our lineups and gameplans from. Better coach any day of the week then this
[Game] Kings vs. Warriors, 10/24/21, 6pm Pacific, 9pm Eastern
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They aren't using him the same so you can't call it excuses, more like a potential reason. If this team has hope this season it's that they were just about there last season and needed just a little push to get over the line, so changing anything major or putting different guys in major role shifts is an unnecessary gamble at this point. We know they clearly felt they were just a bit away because they basically ran it back this year. They made no major changes. They literally kept it the same as far as player type and structure. This team needs Fox to get going early just like any team with only 1 legit star to rely on. So far we are seeing Barnes and Haliburtons roles increased and so far, it's not working although Barnes is playing very well. If Fox struggles then he struggles but what we are seeing on both ends isn't going to cut it. Oddly enough they might want to look back at the things Bobby did in summer league. He tossed Lukes system after game 1 in vegas, brought it back in the champsionship game before tossing it again after 1 quarter and pulled off the victory. The typical regression in strategy is happening, no way around it.
And creating an offensive set that gets him into the spots he normally has to himself is the way to maybe get there. This everyone gets a turn offense is a surefire way to make it a tough a road as possible though. I mean, we've seen this team with the swing it around the horn a few times offense that Walton wants to run. It sucks.
Except it's probably the little lag in strategic adjustment year after year that puts the Kings on a path of no return. So how long they wait to go back to a Fox-centric offense and then how long it takes to get back into the swing of things could depend on the margin of error you're left with for the rest of the season. The west is even far less forgiving this year with teams like the Warriors and Wolves looking to and a poised to make a move up to the same spot Sac is trying to get to.
Jazz game was 95-95 with 4 minutes remaining and then we went 2 and a half minutes without scoring. Jazz closed out with a 15-6 run.
Warriors was 107-104 GSW with 4:36 to go, we went 2 minutes without scoring and Warriors finish the game on a 12-3 run lose 119-107. decided to re-watch the final 4 minutes of this turd because I’m a masochist. Kings offense was non-existent. Sloppy pass out of bounds from Fox trying to find Holmes underneath.. Buddy took a ridiculously deep 3 and then a tightly contested 3. Barnes turnaround 3 from the corner missed. Just over a minute left ball goes back and forth between Buddy and Fox, both of them behind the arc the whole time, Buddy misses another 3 (almost gets bailed out by the ref but overturned). Our last 3 points came from a Fox drive to the basket and a Davion drive (1/2 FT).
meanwhile Warriors kept attacking the basket. Jordan Poole drive gets rewarded with 2 FTs. Steph drives hard and misses but Draymond gets the put back. Steph gets a back door pass underneath but blocked. At 2:30 after Davion missed a FT, ball goes OOB near the scorers table on Kings side of the court. Dray runs a “fast break” where Holmes and Mitchell stay *behind* the inbounder to guard Steph a million feet from the basket leaving Barnes Hali and Buddy alone to defend, all 3 caught flat footed as Dray attacks the basket and finds Wiggins underneath for an easy basket. Next possession Steph penetrates towards the basket, pulls it back out, gets double teamed and gets the hockey assist when he gives it to Porter who swings it to Wiggins gets an easy wide open 3 from the corner basically icing the game. Later Holmes and Buddy try to trap Wiggins near mid court and foul him to get 2 more. Near the end of the game Fox drives to the basket an has Wiggins alone underneath, decides to kick it out to Holmes instead, tosses a lazy pass out to Holmes that Draymond tips leading to a Jordan Poole layup on the other end (altho game is well over by then)
so we had 4 3 point attempts where the ball never got more than 2 feet inside the arc on the possession . Picked up our only 3 points on 2 iso drives to the basket. Warriors keep attacking and get rewarded underneath, get a 3 off penetration
what is the idea here? What is this team doing?? Watching it live it felt like the team was just falling apart down the stretch but it’s even worse on replay. Like we just completely gave up on both ends of the floor. All the scoring both sides of the court is coming from attacking the basket but Buddy just keeps jacking long 3s and contested 3s and our out of bounds play calls includes a turnaround 3 point shot from Barnes. Why is our best defender lining up 100 feet from the basket and behind the inbounder in crunch time. What is wrong with this team.
Warriors was 107-104 GSW with 4:36 to go, we went 2 minutes without scoring and Warriors finish the game on a 12-3 run lose 119-107. decided to re-watch the final 4 minutes of this turd because I’m a masochist. Kings offense was non-existent. Sloppy pass out of bounds from Fox trying to find Holmes underneath.. Buddy took a ridiculously deep 3 and then a tightly contested 3. Barnes turnaround 3 from the corner missed. Just over a minute left ball goes back and forth between Buddy and Fox, both of them behind the arc the whole time, Buddy misses another 3 (almost gets bailed out by the ref but overturned). Our last 3 points came from a Fox drive to the basket and a Davion drive (1/2 FT).
meanwhile Warriors kept attacking the basket. Jordan Poole drive gets rewarded with 2 FTs. Steph drives hard and misses but Draymond gets the put back. Steph gets a back door pass underneath but blocked. At 2:30 after Davion missed a FT, ball goes OOB near the scorers table on Kings side of the court. Dray runs a “fast break” where Holmes and Mitchell stay *behind* the inbounder to guard Steph a million feet from the basket leaving Barnes Hali and Buddy alone to defend, all 3 caught flat footed as Dray attacks the basket and finds Wiggins underneath for an easy basket. Next possession Steph penetrates towards the basket, pulls it back out, gets double teamed and gets the hockey assist when he gives it to Porter who swings it to Wiggins gets an easy wide open 3 from the corner basically icing the game. Later Holmes and Buddy try to trap Wiggins near mid court and foul him to get 2 more. Near the end of the game Fox drives to the basket an has Wiggins alone underneath, decides to kick it out to Holmes instead, tosses a lazy pass out to Holmes that Draymond tips leading to a Jordan Poole layup on the other end (altho game is well over by then)
so we had 4 3 point attempts where the ball never got more than 2 feet inside the arc on the possession . Picked up our only 3 points on 2 iso drives to the basket. Warriors keep attacking and get rewarded underneath, get a 3 off penetration
what is the idea here? What is this team doing?? Watching it live it felt like the team was just falling apart down the stretch but it’s even worse on replay. Like we just completely gave up on both ends of the floor. All the scoring both sides of the court is coming from attacking the basket but Buddy just keeps jacking long 3s and contested 3s and our out of bounds play calls includes a turnaround 3 point shot from Barnes. Why is our best defender lining up 100 feet from the basket and behind the inbounder in crunch time. What is wrong with this team.
That's the idea! Unless he starts playing like an All Star this team is going to be in a deep deep hole at the beginning of the season. The thing that really gets me about this Fox thing is that all off-season long you heard about Morant and LaMello and Young. I really thought that Fox would come out of the summer with a major grudge (a good thing), looking to prove to the national media that he was better than these guys. Instead, we get the Fox that loves to start games slowly, except in this case he's starting the *season* slowly. He better ramp it up immediately or nobody is going to care when he goes on a tear the last 20 games of the season.
Fox's execution and decision making was poor. I like Fox as an elite roll player who can attack and get to the rim, but not as our lead decision maker or the centre of our offence.
Hali had some nice plays but also passed up some shots and deferred to Fox a little too much.
I like the attitude and intent of TT and TD. But I would also like them to defer more. They will add more wins by doing less.
Hali had some nice plays but also passed up some shots and deferred to Fox a little too much.
I like the attitude and intent of TT and TD. But I would also like them to defer more. They will add more wins by doing less.
You're right. And I highly doubt they will simply allow this to start slow and a hole be dug before something is done. And we've seen this crap of trying to continuously instill motion offense high post/dribble handoff sets, help defense, and position your one legit star off the ball so lesser talent can run the offense. Don't do that and then judge. We know the success rate when doing that regardless of who is on the floor.
I think stepping back and realizing that we have a significant number of changes in our roster and several new players getting big minutes is also a factor in our start. Not to excuse poor play and poor decision making at times but we have 1 new starter and at least 3-4 new players that weren’t here last year. It’s probably part of the reason that Fox has quite literally run into his own teammate on several occasions already. They haven’t played with one another long enough yet.
While we haven’t played ideally, we also aren’t embarrassing ourselves either. Fox will eventually figure it out and his percentages will go back up, Tyrese will figure out when to shoot and when to pass, and overall cohesion will certainly improve with time and practice.
My concerns lie with poor offense and poor discipline, particularly with boxing out. Seems like teams are getting a lot of second chance points right now. I also don’t think Luke is the right guy to lead the team. I don’t believe in Buddy Buddy coaching. You need discipline, rules, and proper sets on offense for when the going gets tough. This one on one crap and everyone having a go is killing us down the stretch. We need actual plays so we can get an easy bucket down the stretch instead of wild scrambling all the time.
I believe in our players and I think we are on to something here. There are a ton of positives to take from 3 games so far.
While we haven’t played ideally, we also aren’t embarrassing ourselves either. Fox will eventually figure it out and his percentages will go back up, Tyrese will figure out when to shoot and when to pass, and overall cohesion will certainly improve with time and practice.
My concerns lie with poor offense and poor discipline, particularly with boxing out. Seems like teams are getting a lot of second chance points right now. I also don’t think Luke is the right guy to lead the team. I don’t believe in Buddy Buddy coaching. You need discipline, rules, and proper sets on offense for when the going gets tough. This one on one crap and everyone having a go is killing us down the stretch. We need actual plays so we can get an easy bucket down the stretch instead of wild scrambling all the time.
I believe in our players and I think we are on to something here. There are a ton of positives to take from 3 games so far.
“Overreaction” was for those folk acting like we are better off without Fox after his 3 bad games.
If you want to be bummed about the overall slow start, I won’t stop you! I’m bummed myself!
Realistically, I didn’t expect much more than another treadmill year though. I can see us having an exciting second half of the season if McNair gets to bring in a better coach though.
If you want to be bummed about the overall slow start, I won’t stop you! I’m bummed myself!
Realistically, I didn’t expect much more than another treadmill year though. I can see us having an exciting second half of the season if McNair gets to bring in a better coach though.
And 3 games against good teams. Their combined record is 6-1 and the loss is to us. Who seriously looked at the schedule and saw Portland, Utah and GS and thought we would be 3-0 or 2-1? If we could win 2 out of the next 3, I’d say going 0.500 against Portland, Utah, GS, phx, N.O. And Dallas was a success.
Yes. It's not losing the game. It's how we lost the game - bringing crappy effort at the beginning of the game. Playing like we were on a back to back after 50 games into the season. That's absolutely not acceptable. Fox should lead this team in effort, but his effort was crappy, especially at the defensive end. It's the old adage, if you don't have it on the offensive end of the floor, you better make a contribution on the defensive end. Fox didn't and that's unacceptable to me. My view on Fox is that he has *more* defensive ability than Mitchell. He's faster, he's longer, he can jump higher, he's just as quick. But unlike Mitchell, he doesn't bring it. He just likes to conserve his energy. If he wants to be a leader then he better start playing like it. In this next game, he (and Mitchell) should be picking up Paul full court end line to end line, denying him the ball on every possession. That's what I'll be watching. I don't want to see anymore the "too cool for school" approach.
That's precisely why the Kings need to be up by at least 10 points going into the 4th quarter. Who in their right mind thinks the Kings are going to win the majority of times against the Warriors with the game tied and 4 minutes to go???? They have more pedigree, more polish and are a zillion times more experienced than the Kings in finishing tight games. Curry isn't a HOFer for nothing. You have to make them *work* and expend energy during the course of the game and be up on them double digits to win against them. The Kings were content to "cruise" till the 4th quarter and the Warriors were very happy to comply.
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