Rubio might stay in spain for another year or two according to his dad

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You don't think it's fair for me to call him whiny and I don't think it's fair for you to say he was screwed over by the Kings...

Po-tay-to, po-tah-to...

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If I were him I would cry :)

I do not think that he is whining now. He wanted to play in NBA - yes. But also he wanted to play in THE right spot. And he was very honest about it.
Is he disappointed?? YES. And I do not blame him.

I do not think that the Kings destroyed him either. He will be alright; better than the Kings itself. He was just probably a little bit naive and believed in everything he was told. And how can you blame GP? It is his job. He has to persuade players that they are his dreams. He represents the organization, not Ricky.
 
Rubio is not coming to Sacramento. That ship has sailed. He wanted to come here because we had a big hole at PG, but now it's pretty safe to say he has scratched Sactown off his list.

Second, bring in Rubio now makes as much sense as the T-Wolves drafting Flynn right after Rubio. We don't need two PG of the future.

I know some will say move Evans to the 2 and play Rubio at the 1. That's not going to happen. The FO wants a big physical PG who can draw double teams. That's their vision and they're sticking to it.

And lastly, it may actually make sense for Rubio to stay in Europe for now for a couple of reasons: he saves $4 millions and he gets the playing time that may not be there at Minnesotta. Playing time is the most important right now for a young player and I think it's better for Rubio to come over when he's 20 and has less holes in his game. The down side is that Flynn may have established himself as the Wolves' PG by then but if Rubio improves his game he should have a lot of trade value when he decides to come over.

If I have to make a prediction I say he stays in Spain, improves his game, and then the Wolves trades him away for a very nice package.
 
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I hope for Rubio's sake that he comes over this year. His agent, his dad and he can do all the posturing and pouting now, but if Sota doesn't trade his rights to a team that better fits Rubio camp's plans he should still come over.

One simple reason: There is nothing for him to grow on and achieve in Spain/EL. Plain and simple, he's an NBA style point guard and he needs to be in the NBA ASAP and take his lumps. He needs NBA bigs to play with (above the rim, bigger, more athletic front courts), and he already runs pick and roll 70% of the time (which is NBA style point play and is fairly recent development in Europe).

If he stays, he's running the risk of becoming the next Dejan Bodiroga (not that that is a bad outcome, but still), i.e. getting NBA-type coin to play in Europe and getting to pick a team to win the titles with every 2-3 years. It'd be 5 times as hard to leave that behind in few year and go to the NBA.
 
A crawler on ESPN is saying that Rubio is receiving European offers and will be meeting with the Timberwolves.
 
BritishColumbia said:
I do not think that he is whining now. He wanted to play in NBA - yes. But also he wanted to play in THE right spot.
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Edit:: He had to PAY to play in the NBA. He still wants to, but he is not going to pay 4 or 5 mil to play in Minnesota. Neither would I, for that matter. I would want to go to a team where the 4 or 5 mil would be a good investment in my future. Which basically leaves teams that are considered to be top-20 media markets with established international influence. NY, LA, SAC, HOU, PHI, CHI, and maybe ORL. Really only 2 of those teams could pay him what he needed, so I think he has every right to be picky.
 
His only option now is to either play for Minnesota or not play at alll in the NBA unless they give up his rights, which I'm willing to bet they're in no hurry to do. The whole idea of him having to buy out his existing contract is irrelevant. He wanted the best of both worlds but his agent or whoever advised him on how to manipulate the whole interview/workout proces, made a very big mistake. Much like Bonzi's agent did a few years back.

I'm pretty sure Rubio or his handlers knew the pressure they were putting on teams by not doing workouts. He rolled the dice and crapped out. It's no one's fault but his own IMHO.

I wish him luck in Europe. If He doesn't reach some amicable arrangement with the Timberwolves the only way he's gonna compete against US athletes is in the Olympics in four years.
 
VF21 said:
His only option now is to either play for Minnesota or not play at alll in the NBA unless they give up his rights, which I'm willing to bet they're in no hurry to do. The whole idea of him having to buy out his existing contract is irrelevant. He wanted the best of both worlds but his agent or whoever advised him on how to manipulate the whole interview/workout proces, made a very big mistake. Much like Bonzi's agent did a few years back.

I'm pretty sure Rubio or his handlers knew the pressure they were putting on teams by not doing workouts. He rolled the dice and crapped out. It's no one's fault but his own IMHO.

I wish him luck in Europe. If He doesn't reach some amicable arrangement with the Timberwolves the only way he's gonna compete against US athletes is in the Olympics in four years.
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I do agree that it is his own damn fault for slipping. Doing a single workout for one single team with a top pick will not get you drafted. I guess what I mean is I don't blame him for being picky as to who he wants to pay to play for, but I do blame him and his agent/handlers for being overconfident in his own hype machine, meaning that they thought we would pick him even if he didn't work out. IMO, he should have been scrambling in here to get workouts if this is where he wanted to go, much like you saw Tyreke Evans and Johnny Flynn do.
 
Reading through all the post-draft news and analysis (just type Ricky Rubio in google news to see what I mean), it appears to me that team Rubio is more concerned about Johny Flynn pick then weather or marketing opportunities in Minnesota. Quite clearly, they want to sit down and get guaranties of playing time, since this is a team that Rubio/his people had no contact with and as much as you don't draft PG #5 to stick him on the bench, you don't draft PG at #6 to stick him on the bench either.

With all the hype that has surrounded him and with a promise of minutes in an NBA team, it would be relatively easy for his agent to package some marketing deals, even if it is in Spain only that would eclipse the size of his buy out. But he has to be playing in the NBA in 2009/10 season. As long as he is in ACB liga, playing for Juventut and waiting for the "right opportunity" to move to the NBA, marketing deals will be waiting for that "right opportunity" too.
 
bozzwell said:
Reading through all the post-draft news and analysis (just type Ricky Rubio in google news to see what I mean), it appears to me that team Rubio is more concerned about Johny Flynn pick then weather or marketing opportunities in Minnesota. Quite clearly, they want to sit down and get guaranties of playing time, since this is a team that Rubio/his people had no contact with and as much as you don't draft PG #5 to stick him on the bench, you don't draft PG at #6 to stick him on the bench either.
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Rubio is developing this weak narrative. He wants to be courted and then handed the job, not compete for it. If he did compete with Flynn, my money is on Flynn to win the job. He doesn't back down from nobody.
 
classic

From a Minn bulletin board:

"18 year old kid from Spain, I think they have nude beaches there. We want him to come to Minnesota?18 year old kid from Spain, I think they have nude beaches there. We want him to come to Minnesota?"
 
Sucks for the T'Wolves, but they still own his rights. DEpending on how Rubio plays in Europe, that could become a more and more valuable asset to the Wolves.
 
kennadog said:
Sucks for the T'Wolves, but they still own his rights. DEpending on how Rubio plays in Europe, that could become a more and more valuable asset to the Wolves.
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Does it really suck that much though? They got a guy who is probably considered by most to be the no.2 talent in the draft. If it wasn't for the extenuating circumstances regarding Ricky, he probably would not have dropped to them in the first place. Also, I really don't see how they can really decide that he's staying for two more years at this point. Next year it will be much easier for him to negotiate a lowered buyout.
 
I think the Kings dodged a bullet. Yes he probably would have come over if drafted by the Kings.

But... he is not hungry. Not hungry enough anyway. So I don't want him. I want the guy who smoked all the other players in the workout, that's the one I want.
 
Francisco d'Anconia said:
I think the Kings dodged a bullet. Yes he probably would have come over if drafted by the Kings.

But... he is not hungry. Not hungry enough anyway. So I don't want him. I want the guy who smoked all the other players in the workout, that's the one I want.
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You really can't compare his desire to come to the NBA to anyone else's, because no one else has to pay the amount of money he does to play in the NBA.
 
Vlade4GM said:
You really can't compare his desire to come to the NBA to anyone else's, because no one else has to pay the amount of money he does to play in the NBA.
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I agree. He'd actually be playing for almost nothing, if he came over now. I wonder how many here would work at a job for free that didn't really meet their goals for their future.

I though I read that Rubio's buyout is actually higher next year?
 
kennadog said:
I agree. He'd actually be playing for almost nothing, if he came over now. I wonder how many here would work at a job for free that didn't really meet their goals for their future.

I though I read that Rubio's buyout is actually higher next year?
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IIRC it's pretty much the same as this year. I don't buy the whole staying for 2 years thing like he's already decided, next year he'll have much more leverage in negotiations i.e. lower my buyout or lose me in a year for nothing. I still don't even know if I buy this report completely, Joventut will cave if they are pressed IMO.
 
RyanWiggum said:
Looks like he's staying in Spain for 2 years
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_12741576?source=rss
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Thats what the T-Wolves get for not trading him to us for a 2nd round pick.. :)

But seriously... I don't understand what Minnesota's reasoning for all this was. It would have been so much more beneficial for them to draft a player instead of rubio to play at the two spot, maby stephan curry, Derozan, Henderson, or Terrence Williams... They also could have usedd that #18 pick to draft another need... I don't understand how you can put yourself in such a good position to rebuild and pretty much throw it away.
 
kennadog said:
I agree. He'd actually be playing for almost nothing, if he came over now. I wonder how many here would work at a job for free that didn't really meet their goals for their future.

I though I read that Rubio's buyout is actually higher next year?
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If you simply look at his rookie contract, yes. However, the amount of money he would make in endorsement deals would be more than enough to handle his buy out.

Kids only 18, I don't fault him for playing out his European contract. He wanted to test the water and see if he might land in a better situation. Minnesota was not a better situation for him at this time, so he waits. Thats his right and Minni knew that was a possibility when they drafted him.
 
Kings Faithful said:
Thats what the T-Wolves get for not trading him to us for a 2nd round pick.. :)

But seriously... I don't understand what Minnesota's reasoning for all this was. It would have been so much more beneficial for them to draft a player instead of rubio to play at the two spot, maby stephan curry, Derozan, Henderson, or Terrence Williams... They also could have usedd that #18 pick to draft another need... I don't understand how you can put yourself in such a good position to rebuild and pretty much throw it away.
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If, for some reason, one of the potential top two picks falls to you at #5, you must draft him, no matter the circumstances. They seem to have been ill-prepared for this scenario, though, otherwise they would've either followed the Rubio pick up with someone else or they would've had some trade in the works already that would've sent Rubio elsewhere. The fact that they then went on to pick each and every last point guard in the draft just moved the whole thing from stupid to "I think I'm forced to question your sanity, dear sirs"-territory.
 
LoungeLizard said:
If you simply look at his rookie contract, yes. However, the amount of money he would make in endorsement deals would be more than enough to handle his buy out.

Kids only 18, I don't fault him for playing out his European contract. He wanted to test the water and see if he might land in a better situation. Minnesota was not a better situation for him at this time, so he waits. Thats his right and Minni knew that was a possibility when they drafted him.
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Actually, I don't fault him either. I'm sure he was really disappointed, but sometimes things don't work out the way you want them to. I don't think any of his agents have done him any favors either. I think he needs some time to grow up and get out from under all his "handlers," so he's better equipped to make his own decisions. Remember Peja finally defied his father's wishes to come over to the NBA when he did.
 
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Kings Faithful said:
Thats what the T-Wolves get for not trading him to us for a 2nd round pick.. :)

But seriously... I don't understand what Minnesota's reasoning for all this was. It would have been so much more beneficial for them to draft a player instead of rubio to play at the two spot, maby stephan curry, Derozan, Henderson, or Terrence Williams... They also could have usedd that #18 pick to draft another need... I don't understand how you can put yourself in such a good position to rebuild and pretty much throw it away.
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Much of it has to do with a new GM coming in and wanting to leave his mark..by being unconventionally stupid and messing up as bad as McHale as quickly as possible. Seen that several times in recent years where young GMs taking over a job want to establish themselves and think that the way to do it is to immediately do something stupid. Happened with Yi. Happened with the Pau trade. Just duh. I'd be seriously PO'd if I was a Minny fan. You get excited the day before the draft when you make a move to grab the #5 to go wiht #6, #18, #20 whatever etc. And then basically the only thing you have to show for the draft is Johnny Flynn. Whatta joke. And people still try to throw out the "you're just a fan you can't know as much as a GM" line. Yeah right -- half of these guys aren't qualified to work at McDonald's.

I think I'm going to start sending my resume around to NBA owners.

Experience: None
Why Do You Think You Are Qualified For This Job: I.Q. over 40, Not a Complete Jackass...wait, er...does that DISqualify me for the job? :eek:
 
1.) They got the no.2 talent in the draft at the no.5 pick.
2.) They got another solid PG prospect to bridge the gap
3.) This is not the end of this situation. Joventut is on the verge of bankruptcy and they need Rubio's buyout more than they need Rubio. I'm betting this whole "I'm staying in Spain" thing has a lot to do with gaining leverage on Joventut. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see Rubio playing for the Wolves this season.
4.) And even if he doesn't play for them this season, so what? People are acting like he is lost forever. I can tell you one thing that I'm absolutely positive of, he is not staying over there for more than one year. Joventut will be so desperate for money by the end of next season that they'll definitely reduce his buyout by a lot.

If I was drafting for the twolves on draft night and Rubio's people told me that he wasn't going to play in the NBA this season, I'd still draft him.
 
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