Ric Bucher-Songaila rumor (merged)
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ONEZERO
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Man pixelpusher, u just make me laugh everyday. And I'm thankful for that. Hahahaha.
BigWaxer
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I actually like Ric just cause he said something about the Kings doesn't make me hate him.
He is what he is, someone that has never played BBall or could not make the cut to play. Let it rest there. We spew opinions all day on here not a big deal, why is his any better.
I almost happen to agree, but we shall see
He is what he is, someone that has never played BBall or could not make the cut to play. Let it rest there. We spew opinions all day on here not a big deal, why is his any better.
I almost happen to agree, but we shall see
HOU CuttinoFan
Prospect
Ric Bucher's got some interesting opinions. He said on ESPNEWS the other day that he thought Pheonix had the best offseason in the NBA...
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Cost cutting mode? Nuff said. This guy is an idiot.
BibityBobtyBoom
Bench
espn should change its name to bspn because they just give unsupported rumors and expect people to believe just because they are on tv. for instance, i thought larry brown was the gm of cleveland, according to chad ford it was a done deal. Whammy! never happened, forget them.
IVote4Replay
G-League
Sometimes it makes you think if they really have a clue about our team, at all, when they are supposed to be "NBA analysists."
Bulls After Songalia
I looked around a bit and didn't see this posted anywhere so here it is:
This is from www.hoopshype.com/rumors:
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Paxson is not done shopping. The Bulls are pursuing restricted free agent Darius Songaila of the Kings, agent Mark Bartelstein said Tuesday. "They're very interested," Bartelstein said. "But it's complicated because he's a restricted free agent." Chicago Tribune[/font]
Discuss!
I looked around a bit and didn't see this posted anywhere so here it is:
This is from www.hoopshype.com/rumors:
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Paxson is not done shopping. The Bulls are pursuing restricted free agent Darius Songaila of the Kings, agent Mark Bartelstein said Tuesday. "They're very interested," Bartelstein said. "But it's complicated because he's a restricted free agent." Chicago Tribune[/font]
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BibityBobtyBoom
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i say we trade him for nocioni.lol, i wish.
PFFFT!!
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BibityBobtyBoom said:
Have you compared stats between Nocioni and Songaila? I would take Song hands down. Nocioni averaged more minutes last season and still Songalia is the better all around player, except in blocked shots and probably defense. The only thing that would attract me to Nocioni is the fact that hes 2 years younger.
BibityBobtyBoom
Bench
i liked how nocioni came in and made an impact in the playoffs for the bulls unlike songaila did.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
PFFFT!! said:
Nocioni plays a different position than Darius -- SF, and he's a tough one. Not sure who is better at this point, but Andres probably still has room to grow to become better. Younger, and last year was his first in the league. Darius is always going to be a skilled but undersized PF. Nocioni isn't hampered as much by a physical ceiling on his play.
Bricklayer
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PFFFT!! said:
the first/second year thing is just significant in that a lot of overseas players who come over have an adjustment period during their first year, and don't really start to blossom until yr 2.
But that said, I'm certainly not sold on Nocioni as a savior or anything. But he is already a good bencher and really hardnosed competitor that does a bit of everything, and beats the crap out of most small forwards physically. Nice rotation player, and really stepped it up in the playoffs and gave the Bulls 13pts and 8rebs in 34min for the series (he was up and down, but delivered an eye opening dominant game 1 where he exploded for 25pts 18rebs
and came back in the deciding game and delivered another 22 and 7). Be a good guy to have on jsut about any team. Just not sure if he's a starter yet or just a good 6th/7th man type.
whozit
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In the SacBee article about Evans signing Petrie makes a statement that the Kings wouldn't match (infering even if they could) because of the roster. Why say that unless/maybe a piece of misinformation. Looking at the roster, it doesn't look like Songalia has a place. Reports have the Bulls having about $2.2 million left of their MLE. Perhaps this could lead for a offer being accepted on the cheap and the Kings matching.
To get rid of the bottleneck and get some size, the Kings trade Williamson, Skinner and next years first for PJ Brown. While on the surface it looks like paying too much, it cuts back on salary while at the same time getting size and toughness. Next years draft is reported to be weak, so that may not hurt too bad. The pick is the enticement to get the deal done.
The Kings finish their line-up with Barnes. With all these moves the Kings remain right around the tax threshold.
The Kings line-up becomes:
PG: Bibby, Hart, Price
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Stojakovic, Thomas, Barnes
PF: SAR, Songalia
C: Miller, Brown, Sampson
This leaves all sorts of variations.
To get rid of the bottleneck and get some size, the Kings trade Williamson, Skinner and next years first for PJ Brown. While on the surface it looks like paying too much, it cuts back on salary while at the same time getting size and toughness. Next years draft is reported to be weak, so that may not hurt too bad. The pick is the enticement to get the deal done.
The Kings finish their line-up with Barnes. With all these moves the Kings remain right around the tax threshold.
The Kings line-up becomes:
PG: Bibby, Hart, Price
SG: Wells, Martin, Garcia
SF: Stojakovic, Thomas, Barnes
PF: SAR, Songalia
C: Miller, Brown, Sampson
This leaves all sorts of variations.
At first I was like "I don't know if it'd cost that much for Brown", but good point about the draft (which was mainly the part of that thought). Be kinda sad to see Skinner go, but I'd welcome Brown, I like him, and he brings what we need. I honestly see Skinner as a King next season though
Still don't know about both Thomas and Darius being Kings though, and Thomas at SF. I also don't quite think Barnes is a lock to come here, very good possiblity though.
Still don't know about both Thomas and Darius being Kings though, and Thomas at SF. I also don't quite think Barnes is a lock to come here, very good possiblity though.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't see much point to giving away Skinner to get Brown. Giving away Thomas, sure. A lot more size and defense -- a change. But when you give away your best defensive big to go get an older defensive big, how much have you really gained?
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Daily Herald - Sacramento forward Darius Songaila visited the Berto Center on Wednesday to meet with Bulls general manager John Paxson and the coaching staff.
Songaila is a restricted free agent and it’s unclear whether the Bulls plan to sign him to an offer sheet or try to negotiate a trade with the Kings. Complicating matters is the fact that Sacramento’s payroll is already above the luxury-tax threshold, so the Kings do not want to take on any players in return.
“We’re going to pursue this (the Bulls’ interest) and hopefully it will work itself out,” said Songaila’s agent, Mark Bartelstein.
The Bulls could sign Songaila to an offer sheet using their remaining salary-cap exception (most likely worth $2.2 million) and hope the Kings don’t match. But they could not send a draft pick to Sacramento in exchange for the 27-year-old native of Lithuania without giving up an equal salary in return.
Bartelstein raised the possibility of involving a third team that has a trade exception available as a way to send Sacramento a draft pick, but he is not sure how things will play out. The Bulls are willing to include shooting guard Eric Piatkowski, who will make $3 million next season, in a trade.
Source: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/37124/20050825/kings_songaila_visits_chicago/
Songaila is a restricted free agent and it’s unclear whether the Bulls plan to sign him to an offer sheet or try to negotiate a trade with the Kings. Complicating matters is the fact that Sacramento’s payroll is already above the luxury-tax threshold, so the Kings do not want to take on any players in return.
“We’re going to pursue this (the Bulls’ interest) and hopefully it will work itself out,” said Songaila’s agent, Mark Bartelstein.
The Bulls could sign Songaila to an offer sheet using their remaining salary-cap exception (most likely worth $2.2 million) and hope the Kings don’t match. But they could not send a draft pick to Sacramento in exchange for the 27-year-old native of Lithuania without giving up an equal salary in return.
Bartelstein raised the possibility of involving a third team that has a trade exception available as a way to send Sacramento a draft pick, but he is not sure how things will play out. The Bulls are willing to include shooting guard Eric Piatkowski, who will make $3 million next season, in a trade.
Source: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/37124/20050825/kings_songaila_visits_chicago/
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