Circa_1985_Fan
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Might Paul Westphal be a candidate??
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Wow, I guess that's what it's coming to, isn't it? I just looked up the coaching records on BasketballReference.com of all current and former head coaches, and I think all the ones that have won more than just a year or two of playoff series are either currently employed or dead! How depressing is that? The Nuggets and Hornets may want to check that out before they go firing Karl or Scott.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Good point...just like the Maloofs should have made a wiser business decision before pulling the trigger on Adelman...now look at what they've done!
The biggest mistake was alienating Adelman by flirting with hiring Phil Jackson and then saying they were just looking to see if they could "improve the team" in any way possible. After that they needed to make things up to Adelman and they never did because he supposedly couldn't coach defense.
What's done is done, though. Where do we go from here? ...could someone talk the Jazz, Spurs or Rockets into firing their coach?
Circa_1985_Fan
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Nope, Popp, Rick and Sloan arent going ANYWHERE...at least until they wanted too, of course. Those are the only 3 coaches with any longevity(Rick probably will be in Houston until he quits I think, I dont see him getting let go anytime soon). Just think, if we would have kept Rick here...things would have been emotionally stable through the rebuilding, at least...but NOOOO, Joe and Gavin wanted to gamble!
Actually the biggest mistake the Maloofs made was in not understanding right from the beginning the true treasure they had in Rick Adelman. Adelman was totally different from them as far as outgoing nature and showing emotion is concerned, and the Maloofs never truly appreciated what his true talents were/are. I also firmly believe they were manipulated into believing that Adelman's reserved nature was, instead, something sinister and aloof.
I have absolutely nothing but gut instinct to go on, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that someone coveting Adelman's job may have planted a few seeds of doubt in the Maloof's mind and then just sat back and waited for them to grow. I also suspect - again without proof - that said person was mightily disappointed when the seeds did sprout and grow but the Maloofs ended up bringing in Eric Musselman.
I have absolutely nothing but gut instinct to go on, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that someone coveting Adelman's job may have planted a few seeds of doubt in the Maloof's mind and then just sat back and waited for them to grow. I also suspect - again without proof - that said person was mightily disappointed when the seeds did sprout and grow but the Maloofs ended up bringing in Eric Musselman.
I like to think of myself as a bright enough guy, but you lost me a bit here. Who do you think this someone may have been? The Whis? I'm not privy to the list of regular Maloof chronies. Could you fill me in as a brand new converted lurker?
Aenadin
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Adelman did an exceptional job, knowing the team he had was all offense (other than Doug) and had little defense... but the team went strong for 8 years contending..we all know what happened to a certain team that was all offense this year...
they should have stuck with adelman.. then again we wouldnt have a top 12, top 10 and a possible 1 pick.. and how long would we have been struggling for an 8 spot.. or a 7 spot in the playoffs
they should have stuck with adelman.. then again we wouldnt have a top 12, top 10 and a possible 1 pick.. and how long would we have been struggling for an 8 spot.. or a 7 spot in the playoffs
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I hate the Adelman talk everytime were looking for a new coach ( which has been wayyy to often .. )
Adelman didnt HAVE to go at the time he did, but the team was on an inevitable decline and he would have been gone by now anyways .. He is a great guy and was great coach for us, but all good things must come to an end.
However, if your going to blame the maloofs for fireing him, how about blaming Petrie for the terrible Webber trade that sent us down this path? It was at the point were we needed to start over, Adelman was gone.
Adelman didnt HAVE to go at the time he did, but the team was on an inevitable decline and he would have been gone by now anyways .. He is a great guy and was great coach for us, but all good things must come to an end.
However, if your going to blame the maloofs for fireing him, how about blaming Petrie for the terrible Webber trade that sent us down this path? It was at the point were we needed to start over, Adelman was gone.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Adelman did fine when he had defensive players and it wasn't just Doug. The Kings were arguably the best defensive team in the league in 02-03. I get tired of posting the stats over and over. Anyone can look it up.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
There has been a couple of reports here on Petrie's remarks on Grants show. They've left out an important word. Petrie said he would be looking for someone thats been a head coach in the NBA before, and someone who has had sucess as a head coach. He didn't say someone with NBA coaching experience, but someone with NBA head coaching experience. Big difference there. It would automaticly exclude any assistant coach thats never been a head coach.
rainmaker
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I really think Jeff V Gundy would be a great fit for this team. I don't know if the Maloofs could talk him out of being an espn analyst, but I would think he might be interested. The Maloofs sound like they are ready to pay more than I first thought. JVG is from Martinez, so he probably would like being close to home. And if we get a top 2 pick along with our salary cap flexibility, it would be an attractive job.
Aenadin
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not questioning adelman's defenisve coaching..
btw cute girl in the pic
your kid?regarding hiring jordan.....
no...
The overall defense was statistically the best in the league that year, which too many people overlooked, but the Kings never got a reputation for being nasty (to quote Jerry Sloan), which is what a lot of people wanted. The Bonzi/Ron combo in Adelman's last year started to bring a little of that. Adelman can coach those types too.
I would rather not have JVG as our coach. Too many bad vibes- his brother played us 2 yrs. ago, overly rigid, ugly as sin, etc. Plus, I can't get the mental image out of him hanging onto Zo's leg during the playoff brawl (anyone remember?).
Besides, his playoff success has been almost exclusively that one lockout year that he took the #8 Knicks to the finals. He never really did get Houston going despite having top talent. They are clearly better off with Adelman now than they were with JVG.
kennadog
Dog On It!
My grandkid. Yikes, I'm a grandma!btw cute girl in the pic
My contribution to the pretty girls around here. And I can't get excited over the idea of E Jordan for coach either.
Aenadin
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My grandkid. Yikes, I'm a grandma!
And I can't get excited over the idea of E Jordan for coach either.
really? shes a cute kid brings bundles of joy eh?
i tried to bring out a deeper list of possible coaches to hire in the offseason... i placed it on the other thread cause Jordan CANT BE THE ONLY possible coaches with nba experience out there... cant be him... nor the little general who inhales helium... whom we think are competent enough
KevinSalvadori
Bench
My List:
Coaches WITH NBA Head Coaching experience NOT working at the minute
Mo Cheeks
Avery Johnson
Jeff Van Gundy (technically)
Mike Fratello
Eddie Jordan
Paul Silas
Doug Collins
Bob Hill
Coaches WITH NBA Head Coaching experience currently IN the playoffs (any role)
Paul Westphal
Del Harris
Byron Scott
George Karl
Rick Carlisle (If we include Jordan here, we might as well include Carlisle based on previous admiration of GP. And bear in mind it's Cuban as owner and he may have an itchy trigger-finger)
People can feel free to add to this list...
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bajaden
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If you take him at his word, I would say yes, that eliminates them. Two guys that leap out at me are JVG and Paul Westphal. Westphal is currently working the Mav's front office. Westphal played in the league for several years. He coached in college, was an assistant coach in the NBA and a head coach in the NBA. He's coached in the playoffs. By and large, he's been fairly sucessful.
JVG's teams aren't fun to watch. They mostly play ugly basketball, but they do play defense. So thats something to consider.
I'm not trying to wish ill will on anyone, but I would love it if Geoge Karl became available. His teams always play defense, and he's seems to be pretty good with young players
Ryan
I like turtles
Really? Have you heard him talk on ESPN and ABC?
kingsnation
All-Star
Have you heard Avery Johnson talk on ESPN and ABC?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ugh, Karl is a scummy media coach with an insufferable ego.
But not sure why people keep on tagging Karl -- he's got a job, is doing quite well with it, and is on the verge of moving onto the second round. Why exactly is he suposed to be available to take over a raw rebuild?
bajaden
Hall of Famer
There is no why... Just a wishful thought on my part. Like him or not, he's been pretty sucessful throughout his career. Plus his teams have always played defense. I could care less about ego's. Last time I checked, you seemed to have one. As far as I'm concerned, you can talk all the talk you want, just as long as you produce. The talk part is cheap. I've sold plenty of it on this fourm. And it still hasn't gone up in value.
Sptsjunkie
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I don't think it eliminates Thib. He never said NBA HEAD coaching experience, he just said NBA coaching experience. This could very easily be Petrie's way of saying that Whis and college coaches like Theus need not apply for the HC job. Also, eliminates Ettore from the running. However, coaches like Thib and Shaw do actually have NBA coaching experience, so it all depends how you want to interpret his quote.
Sptsjunkie
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Westphal is an interesting option. He likes to run an up tempo style from what I remember and he certainly has had his share of success. I don't know if he has any interest in coaching again, but I would at least be intrigued.
John Galt
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As usual I agree with Bajaden. I'd be happiest with Byron Scott, but happy with Karl... and nobody else would really impress me.
Is it going to be the biggest shock in the world if they somehow hire Don Nelson?
In fact Petrie DID say NBA head coaching experience. You can watch the press conference at http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31621
But here's the relevant quote:
You never know what will happen in the end, but Petrie specifically laid out head coaching and success as a head coach.
