Next Kings coach : list

Brian Shaw! We need to undo the horrible mistake we made two years ago. He's got all the right background minus actual head coaching experience. He's young so he'll be down for the long term rebuilding project, so if we give him a long leash then I think he'll be an excellent coach with time. I understand that some people may not want a rookie coach for a very young team, but I can't imagine him not commanding respect from his players. He worked under Rudy T for part of a season, and obviously Phil Jackson since then. As a player he played in the most pressure packed situations, and he was a great teammate. Also, he's from Nocal as well so I'm sure that won't hurt. Hopefully, he'd take us up on our offer now, which may be too late with the Lakers' success lately.
 
Out of all the choices, I just like Shaw. Let's just sign him to a deal and stand behind him.

We need to stop being so flip-floppy and stand behind a coach and set the tone. Give these guys some stability and make them understand that the organization is right behind the coach...The coach needs some breathing room.

Absolutely! However, he won't get fired.

That’s why I was a little surprised to see his name mentioned. But why am I listening to what Ailene has to say anyway? lol
 
Out of all the choices, I just like Shaw. Let's just sign him to a deal and stand behind him.

We need to stop being so flip-floppy and stand behind a coach and set the tone. Give these guys some stability and make them understand that the organization is right behind the coach...The coach needs some breathing room.

I agree with you that the new coach needs a commitment and some breathing room, but that's why I think hiring a guy with proven experience is a must this time around. You don't give a guy breathing room, he EARNS it.

Say we hire Shaw and he starts the season 2-10? The fans (and probably players) are going to have a "here we go again with another failing inexperienced coach" attitude and he could be out after the year. No way if we bring in Avery, Jeff Van Gundy, or even Eddie Jordan will they be gone after a year. They've proven multiple times that they can coach teams to and in the playoffs. The players will know it. The fans will know it. And that will create the breathing room and security for this young team to grow.
 
I agree with you that the new coach needs a commitment and some breathing room, but that's why I think hiring a guy with proven experience is a must this time around. You don't give a guy breathing room, he EARNS it.

Say we hire Shaw and he starts the season 2-10? The fans (and probably players) are going to have a "here we go again with another failing inexperienced coach" attitude and he could be out after the year. No way if we bring in Avery, Jeff Van Gundy, or even Eddie Jordan will they be gone after a year. They've proven multiple times that they can coach teams to and in the playoffs. The players will know it. The fans will know it. And that will create the breathing room and security for this young team to grow.

One of the first things I said before was that I want an experienced coach this time around. But when I look around at the choices that have been given, I don’t want any of them – not Avery, Van Gundy or Eddie…And I was already in favor of seeing Brian Shaw here when we gave Reggie the job. And since the Maloofs are trying to cut costs I don’t see them paying a coach too much money (which could lead again to hiring an assistant – Shaw!! lol )

But I do agree with you, a coach has to earn the breathing room and respect, but the organization should also just give this guy a little bit of space. Once the players see that our management supports the coach, it would be a lot easier for him to get some respect.
 
Ummm, I agree and disagree. Well I think you are right about consistency. Why would we want to potentially marry ourselves to a terrible coach? There are obviously financial constraints to how many coaches we can hire. The Maloofs have already eaten money on a couple. Let's say the Petrie/Maloofs combo mess up on the next coach even if it is a reasonable risk. Why would we want to guarantee 5 years of mediocrity?

I'm much less concerned with getting a terrible coach than of the Maloofs' impulsivity. There are plenty of ok coaches out there, but they will all become "terrible" when they have owners who don't have the patience or the courage to stick with them. I'd much rather have 5 years of "mediocrity" in a coach, which is an average grade, than have the Maloofs do a 180 and fire the guy when the Kings go on a 10 game losing streak and the murmers and rumors start coming out of the locker room about the players being disgruntled with the coach or the "system".
 
Brian Shaw! We need to undo the horrible mistake we made two years ago. He's got all the right background minus actual head coaching experience. He's young so he'll be down for the long term rebuilding project, so if we give him a long leash then I think he'll be an excellent coach with time. I understand that some people may not want a rookie coach for a very young team, but I can't imagine him not commanding respect from his players. He worked under Rudy T for part of a season, and obviously Phil Jackson since then. As a player he played in the most pressure packed situations, and he was a great teammate. Also, he's from Nocal as well so I'm sure that won't hurt. Hopefully, he'd take us up on our offer now, which may be too late with the Lakers' success lately.


Sorry but I don't want another rookie head coach with no prior experience, especially not one from the freaking lakers. No, no, and NO. We need a proven coach who can coach our guys up. We've made the same mistake the last 3 hires.
 
Sorry but I don't want another rookie head coach with no prior experience, especially not one from the freaking lakers. No, no, and NO. We need a proven coach who can coach our guys up. We've made the same mistake the last 3 hires.
Sorry, I don't care if he's with the Lakers. As a matter of fact, if it bugs Laker fans that we steal him away, so much the better. ;)

And you could not compare hiring Shaw to Musselman or Theus. Musselman had way less experience and never played the game and Theus had zero NBA coaching experience. You could compare Natt, with playing experience and experience as an assistant coach, but I'm still not sure they can be compared.
 
wasnt theus an assistant at New Mexico or something? And didn't Musselman coach the warriors? and his dad was a coach too. It's definately a risk if u go with Shaw. I would much rather go with someone experienced (cough* Etore). and HELL NO!! to Eddie Jordan. This guy is not a good coach. Who can't bring a team to the playoffs when u have arenas, jamison, and butler. He failed with the Kings before. I don't get why any of you would want him. I would choose Shaw over him.

1. etore
2. van gundy/shaw
2.5 Whisenant I know he coached in the WNBA but hey, he won a championship. He obviously knows how to coach.
 
You know, if you think about it, the team we have now is likely to be a lot more receptive to a young coach. Both Musselman and Theus inherited rosters which were an awkward mix of young players and veterans. With Musselman, he got the job thinking he had a playoff team led by Bibby, Bonzi, and Artest who had just given the Spurs a pretty good fight in the first round. But then the season starts and there's no Bonzi and Bibby injures his thumb in training camp but plays the whole season anyway resulting in the worst shooting percentages of his career. Expected to make the post-season (by some) the team actually finished 16 games under .500, the worst record in 9 years. Musselman promised to make the defense better, but it got worse giving the Maloofs an excuse to let him go after a disappointing season.

Then Theus comes in and Bibby injures his thumb again, but this time wisely shut it's down so the Kings open the season with Orien Greene at PG, which clearly wasn't going to work, before lucking into a motivated Beno Udrih, eager to prove himself after three years on San Antonio's bench. The wait for Shareef's return lasts the entire season so Mikki Moore gets promoted to starting PF. The Kings actually finished with a better record than expected, due partly to Brad Miller's triumphant return to respectability, but the season ended with some controversy surrounding Theus and his treatment of Kevin Martin. It was a pretty good team when both Martin and Artest were healthy at the same time, but Artest had already worn out his welcome with the front office so he left in the off-season and early injuries this year gave an excuse to let Theus go.

So looking back at the history, I don't think Musselman and Theus were neccesarily terrible coaching choices. Both of them did have some good qualities (with Musselman his attention to detail and game plannning, with Theus his motivation and PR skills). But both coaches were in the unlucky situation of being asked to lead a team on the tail-end of a very succesful playoff run with an unbalanced roster and unrealistic expectations. Either one of them might have worked out in the long-term if they were given more time to establish themselves.

I think it would be a mistake at this point to overreact to these past three years and say that we need to bring in an old SOB now to whip these young guys into shape. Injuries and overall talent have been a problem, for the most part the effort has been there (with the possible exception of the end of this season under Kenny Natt which is understandable given the circumstances). The strategy up to this point has been to look for a young guy who will stay with the team for 8, 9 years or more and give the team an identity. I don't think it was the wrong strategy, I think both tenures were derailed partially by unforseeon circumstances (injuries mostly) and partially by a lack of clarity from the front office about what was expected (are we re-building? are we contending?). Musselman looked like a young up-and-coming coach with a promising background. Theus had ties to the franchise and a media-friendly personality. As it turns out, neither one was a good fit though.

I understand why people would want to bring in someone like Eddie Jordan or Avery Johnson with a track record. I'm not opposed to either option, but both come with some red flags. Can Jordan coach defense? Is Johnson too strict in his offense to allow individual talents to shine (Devin Harris)? But then anyone we bring in is going to have some strengths and some weaknesses. I don't have a problem with the established guys if we can cover for their deficiencies in other ways. But I don't think it's wise to throw out the assistant coach option altogether because of these past failures. What the Musselman and Theus situations suggest to me is that choosing a head coach is a huge decision. It pays to take your time and do your due diligence in checking these guys out before rushing to make a decision. Both Musselman and Theus seemed like odd signings at the time because of how many prominent candidates did not get interviewed. I don't think it would be wise to rule anyone out at this point.
 
I don't think it would be wise to rule anyone out at this point.

I really like your well defended line of reasoning and agree about 99.5%.
I think we need to rule out a few head coach candidates however.

My NO WAY list includes and I'll start with a minor joke prospect:

P.J. Carlesimo - what a piece of work
Eddie Jordan - has never proved anything with numerous chances
Avery Johnson - it's the squeaky voice, no it's the attitude
Sam Mitchell - i posted elsewhere here on why he's an empty suit loser
Mike Fratello - players hate the guy and that's why he never coaches
Del Harris - nice man, great former head coach, almost Coachie's age
Bernie Bickerstaff - ho hum
Jeff Ruland - why is he better or worse than Bill Lambeer?
Jeff Van Gundy - the one here i'd consider if he agrees to a lobotomy
John Whisenant - if it happens, well it happens to the adulation of 10,412
 
Eddie Jordan - has never proved anything with numerous chances
Avery Johnson - it's the squeaky voice, no it's the attitude
Del Harris - nice man, great former head coach, almost Coachie's age

EJ - Agreed!! About time someone sees EJ for what he is.

AJ - Yeah I was watching ESPN's playoff coverage and seriously was cringing every time he opened his mouth.

Del - Out of the list you provided, I would prefer Harris the most.
 
EJ - Del - Out of the list you provided, I would prefer Harris the most.

But remember my list is people I absolutely don't want and I could obviously provide a list of my nod "OK" prospects (Shaw, Thibodeau, etc.).
I left off some retreads from my NO GO list because there's no point even mentioning some of them, like a Carlesimo or a Paul Silas or even a Terry Porter IMO.
 
Nobody else has interest in Mike Fratello or Terry Porter like I am?

Maybe six years ago. But unfortunately, and whether rightly or wrongly, those two have developed a little reputation in that timespan that they are NOT fun to play for, and I think our guys would instantly tune them out if hired. Especially coming off the last three, I think we need someone with some dynamism, excitement, a winning pedigree, and unbridled, undeniable knowledge of the game. That's why I think guys like Ettore, Blatt (my closet pick to get the job), and Shaw make good sense. All would be able to get their attention instantly, and if they brought new systems and something unconventional, it could excite this team.
 
That's why I think guys like Ettore, Blatt (my closet pick to get the job), and Shaw make good sense. All would be able to get their attention instantly, and if they brought new systems and something unconventional, it could excite this team.

I am glad some people talking about Blatt .. I do not understand why all love goes to Ettore Messina. I think Dynamo coach is the best option among European coaches. Ettore is better overall but David is better for the Kings.
 
From what we heard from the media so far, it looks like Eddie Jordan could very well be the front runner to be our coach. The problem I have with Eddie Jordan though, while he is good at coaching offense, he isn't exactly the defensive guru type coach you would want. I think he will do pretty good with what we are trying to do offensively, but for once I would like a coach with discipline who could also teach defense and instill a defensive culture into the Kings. In the long run defense will go a long way and I believe if we are ever going to contend for a title we will need some adequate defense at the least.
 
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In the NY Post this morning Peter Vescey made an interesting comment about the Kings and a potential coach:

Two fail-safe sources reveal the Kings also are contemplating turning over the sidelines to the first ever non-American. Currently coaching CSKA Moscow, (Ettore) Messina was recently contacted by a Sacramento representative regarding interest in an interview

He is acknowledged at the best coach in Europe and has taken CSKA to the final four and championships a number of times. Would seem logical that he consider the only "next level" available. Players did it beginning with Peja in the mid-90's so why not coaches? The Kings have a bunch of really young guys, possibly a real Euro this draft and has been known uniquely as a defensive coach in Europe. If he had an ex-NBA head coach as an assistant, why not?
 
In the NY Post this morning Peter Vescey made an interesting comment about the Kings and a potential coach:

Two fail-safe sources reveal the Kings also are contemplating turning over the sidelines to the first ever non-American. Currently coaching CSKA Moscow, (Ettore) Messina was recently contacted by a Sacramento representative regarding interest in an interview

He is acknowledged at the best coach in Europe and has taken CSKA to the final four and championships a number of times. Would seem logical that he consider the only "next level" available. Players did it beginning with Peja in the mid-90's so why not coaches? The Kings have a bunch of really young guys, possibly a real Euro this draft and has been known uniquely as a defensive coach in Europe. If he had an ex-NBA head coach as an assistant, why not?


I don't think Ettore's name has been popping up around us by accident -- there must at least be a thought there. But remember this is Vescey you are talking about. 90% of the stuff he spouts is basically made up with half truths and hints or rumors magically becoming hard facts that he attempts to buffalo you into believing with his bluster.
 
hm... Blatt would seem like a good fit for us too. Any of the Euro's are enticing and fresh prospects. An experiment? Sure. But a helluva lot better than some retread or assistant.

And if I'm not mistaken, Toronto is very much still debating whether or not to keep Triano for next season. Bosh and Calderon both said that they would like to see him stay, and this was during an after game interview on their 5 or 6 game winning streak at the end of the season.
 
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In the NY Post this morning Peter Vescey made an interesting comment about the Kings and a potential coach:

Two fail-safe sources reveal the Kings also are contemplating turning over the sidelines to the first ever non-American. Currently coaching CSKA Moscow, (Ettore) Messina was recently contacted by a Sacramento representative regarding interest in an interview

He is acknowledged at the best coach in Europe and has taken CSKA to the final four and championships a number of times. Would seem logical that he consider the only "next level" available. Players did it beginning with Peja in the mid-90's so why not coaches? The Kings have a bunch of really young guys, possibly a real Euro this draft and has been known uniquely as a defensive coach in Europe. If he had an ex-NBA head coach as an assistant, why not?

I find this wildly intriguing. Think of this- An interview with Ettore could have Petrie written all over it, and the compromise might be bringing in one of the "Maloof Family Men" (Tark, Don Nelson- depending on contract status, Whis, Del Harris, or some other variation) as a member of the bench staff. Along with Carrill, Burridge, and a couple others (I'd love Corliss or BJAX to have a bench role, and maybe even Blatt if he's down), I could live with that. Seems like a happy medium to me, but we all know reality and interpolitiking is much, much different....
 
judging from our set of players... JT, and hawes at the bigman position and their skill set

Ettore messina would be a good fit.. i mean since JT and hawes can hit jumpers im pretty sure they could play a little euro-ball...
 
messina seems to me like a GP pick.. knowing how GP scouts the euro talent probably also coaching talent too...

those who watch euroleague how are his defensive schemeS? what kind of offensive sets does he play
 
espn insder is saying mike fratello may be a possibility. dont know how i feel about that et

Three year window tops. People have been bitching about Avery wearing thin on his guys in Dallas, but at least he got somehwere in the playoffs in the interim and it was only one set of players who tired of him who'd always played for one coach (Nellie). Fratello on the other hand has bored and burned out team after team he has coached. Which is not to say he can't coach. He can. He has produced low level winners wherever he has gone. But it is to say he can't coach LONG. Well that's nto true either. Teams, well before Memphis, have kept him on for years and years. But there is a cap to how far his hyper controlling style can take things and the extra years have just been wastes. Mike Fratello has won 667 games in the NBA (and lost 552) but he last won 50 games in a season 21 years ago. His lifetime playoff record is 20-42. He is a guy who can get you to the #6-#8 seed, but that's about it.
 
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