[NBA] East Playoffs, Round Two
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Feel free to disagree with what I posted but the issue is not that the Kings are a bad team, it's that we have a harder road. You can only play what's in front of you but let's maybe acknowledge what was put in front of us instead of pouting about it. You people are insufferable. I've stood by this team when they were dogcrap and we went 10 games over .500 and unfortunately it didn't yield a positive result but tearing it down and going back to lotto status is not something I am very interested in, nor will I sulk about the trade we made that got us to back to back 48 and 46 win campaigns.
Fox is a great player too. Not going to say we traded the wrong guy. I am curious though what Fox and Hali would have looked like if they played under Brown together and how they would be used. Hali was a rook and didn’t want to step on Fox’s toes so they never really got that chance to build the chemistry you see Luka and Kyrie have. Fox gets worn out during the season, even with Sabonis and Monk helping bring the ball up. I know it’s not Fox’s strong suit, but for his durability I hope he learns to play better off the ball
Who said we’re a bad team? Who also is saying to tear it down? My point is the takes that the Pacers are where they are out of pure luck are tired and defeatist takes. You are making these purely theoretical inventions that we would be where the Pacers are if we played in Indiana and had their schedule. My argument is we were 16-14 against the east. That is real data. And that does not translate to a 6 seed in the East
No we didn't, because there wasn't a trade out there for Fox at the time that would have netted us Sabonis. It was also Hali's salary that played a part.
Edit - this isn't to say I would have rather traded Fox, but to comment that the post indicates we had a "choice" in the trade, when we didn't.
Edit - this isn't to say I would have rather traded Fox, but to comment that the post indicates we had a "choice" in the trade, when we didn't.
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I have never said the Pacers were bad or undeserving I am objecting to pouting about the state of the Kings relative to the Pacers who played a significantly easier schedule and got 1 more win than we did and by virtue of being in the East that could amount to being a conference finals team or a 9 seed needing two play-in victories to even qualify for the playoffs.
Judging by the T'Wolves and Mavs who looked like future contenders in 2021-22 and then fell off mightily in 22-23, maybe we should not be so quick to condemn the Kings to mediocrity. Or when teams like the Hawks or Blazers have miracle conference finals runs despite clearly not being a top 2 team in their conference we should not read too much into the Pacers beyond congratulating them on a great year.
Judging by the T'Wolves and Mavs who looked like future contenders in 2021-22 and then fell off mightily in 22-23, maybe we should not be so quick to condemn the Kings to mediocrity. Or when teams like the Hawks or Blazers have miracle conference finals runs despite clearly not being a top 2 team in their conference we should not read too much into the Pacers beyond congratulating them on a great year.
Or maybe, just maybe we can give Pacers credit for going the conference finals cuz they simply won the games they needed to, including a game 7 in the most hostile environment out there. Why you feel the need to asterisk the hell out of it, which you’re still doing in your post, comes across as blind hate mostly related to their best player being a former King. I haven’t seen a single post from you saying how lucky the Celts have been playing against the injured teams they have. But the same tired Pacers are lucky take keeps getting recycled every game. And of course when they lose, it’s the same old Hali-is-too-passive take and hope the media doesn’t eat him up. How about we give credit where credit is due, and have some takes about how he stepped up after his no show games 1 & 5 and showed what a true, elite leader does when the games matter the most
The Kings played the defending World Champions in the GSW team last year, with basically the whole team back and healthy for their whole series (sans Green for 1 game).
However, If the Kings would of played the Warriors without Curry, Thompson and Green and then went on to play the Lakers without LeBron, Anthony Davis and D'Angelo Russel, I'm pretty sure we would had advanced to the WCF last year. Also, if we had gotten to the WCF with all those players injured, I would still be happy as heck, but I would acknowledge that we had some injury luck along the way.
I'm not saying that the Hali and the Pacers getting to the ECF wasn't a good accomplishment, but they had a whole bunch of injury help on their way there.
However, If the Kings would of played the Warriors without Curry, Thompson and Green and then went on to play the Lakers without LeBron, Anthony Davis and D'Angelo Russel, I'm pretty sure we would had advanced to the WCF last year. Also, if we had gotten to the WCF with all those players injured, I would still be happy as heck, but I would acknowledge that we had some injury luck along the way.
I'm not saying that the Hali and the Pacers getting to the ECF wasn't a good accomplishment, but they had a whole bunch of injury help on their way there.
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The Pacers are the argument that most realistic Kings fans take that just trying to get to a solid 4-6 seed every year puts you in position where you can have one magical year that all the pieces align and a parade comes to downtown Sacramento. The notion that Sacramento would be allowed to have a Warriors, Celtics, Lakers type dynasty was put to bed 20 years ago. I'll settle for a fluke. And I think we are in fine position for that to happen but a lot of folks want to push all the chips in on a make or break type deal that is more likely to condemn us to years of the lottery than to be where the Pacers are today or where the Blazers found themselves with Dame and their 2019 run.
NAH JUST GIVE HALI HIS FLOWERS, HE'S THE BEST!!!!!!
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Hali had a great game 7 here, but Pacers don't sniff this spot without Siakam carrying them. Also some damn legendary injury luck to get here:
Steph being out vs us is the exact equivalent of no Giannis for them this year. I think we'd probably beat GS last year too. AND Dame got hurt later in the series.
-No Randle/Bojan/Mitch Rob the whole series. Brunson got hurt, OG got played in 2 games this series and got hurt pretty much off rip tonight.
Hell yeah I'm going to asterisk their run for their cupcake conference and sun-run like injury luck from the 2 teams they faced. They have an experienced team leader in Siakam and getting some of the greatest injury luck I've ever seen.
-If they beat the Celtics, that's where they'll get their flowers. Would be an incredible accomplishment, taking down one of the better teams over the last 2 decades. But I highly doubt it and I'd be surprised if this goes 6 games.
-Tizzy Flip, probably.
Hali had a great game 7 here, but Pacers don't sniff this spot without Siakam carrying them. Also some damn legendary injury luck to get here:
Steph being out vs us is the exact equivalent of no Giannis for them this year. I think we'd probably beat GS last year too. AND Dame got hurt later in the series.
-No Randle/Bojan/Mitch Rob the whole series. Brunson got hurt, OG got played in 2 games this series and got hurt pretty much off rip tonight.
Hell yeah I'm going to asterisk their run for their cupcake conference and sun-run like injury luck from the 2 teams they faced. They have an experienced team leader in Siakam and getting some of the greatest injury luck I've ever seen.
-If they beat the Celtics, that's where they'll get their flowers. Would be an incredible accomplishment, taking down one of the better teams over the last 2 decades. But I highly doubt it and I'd be surprised if this goes 6 games.
I'm not the one complaining and moaning in every east thread/Indy thread/Hali thread about how this board never gives him his proper respect. Seems like you're the one who actually cares here bud.
I'm allowed to have my opinion that I love his game, don't like his off-court demeanor anymore right? And that I've been rather delighted by the fact that the media has been wanting to slam dunk us into the ground for the better part of 2 years for the trade, but they just can't because of how good Domas is? Because it destroys their "Hali is the golden boy" narrative?
I'm allowed to have my opinion that I love his game, don't like his off-court demeanor anymore right? And that I've been rather delighted by the fact that the media has been wanting to slam dunk us into the ground for the better part of 2 years for the trade, but they just can't because of how good Domas is? Because it destroys their "Hali is the golden boy" narrative?
You have some reading comprehension work to do bud. I could care less about if Hali gets respect from Kings fans. But what irritates me if when people like you diminish other team’s accomplishments to make yourself feel better, and then create hypotheticals that we would be in the same position as the Pacers if we had our squad in Indiana. I appreciate what Sabonis contributes to the squad, but so far Hali has led Pacers to 2 playoff series wins, and we have none since the trade. So whoever has this narrative in the national media you’re talking about, it definitely won’t stop after today
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