More hope...... maybe I shouldn't (Rubio rumor)

[ElRey]

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask Rubio to workout, even if it's just an individual workout. It's not like he lit up all of Europe and his game speaks for itself. I'm sure a lot of GM's would like to see his skills/athleticism up close and live, instead of video tapes. These are multi-million dollar lottery picks we're talking about here. You can argue that he won't have anything to gain from working out for teams and that he is already a top 4 pick regardless. But I'd be leery about picking such a player at such a high pick. I think the bust potential is sky high with Rubio, esp if he is not willing to workout. I'm always scared of players with a lot of HYPE around them.

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

I don't think it is unreasonable to ask Rubio to workout, even if it's just an individual workout. It's not like he lit up all of Europe and his game speaks for itself. I'm sure a lot of GM's would like to see his skills/athleticism up close and live, instead of video tapes. These are multi-million dollar lottery picks we're talking about here. You can argue that he won't have anything to gain from working out for teams and that he is already a top 4 pick regardless. But I'd be leery about picking such a player at such a high pick. I think the bust potential is sky high with Rubio, esp if he is not willing to workout. I'm always scared of players with a lot of HYPE around them.

Thanks that's my point we need to do more investigating rather rather than crowning him. Nothing is that easy. Finally someone who sees my point.

 

[VF21]

As far as people thinking Rubio is a god and better than he really is, that's the bottom line question. We don't know how good he really is...he's young and he has more potential than I've seen in a very, very, very long time. He could be one of the greatest PG to ever play the game.

Haha and this is the funniest statement I've seen so far. The guy has yet to step into an NBA practice facility much less an Arena and your saying he could be one of the greatest PG to ever play the game. .

Look again. I said he COULD BE one of the greatest... He may not have stepped into an NBA practice facility but he's been playing professional basketball for four years. He has skills - no one is denying that BTW - and he has a ton of potential.

I've said it before and apparently I need to say it again since you're not getting it ... RUBIO is a gamble but it's one that could pay the Kings dividends for a very long time if he comes in. The Maloofs are gamblers; I can see them willing to take the chance on a kid whose upside is yet to be determined.

Did you not watch any of the Olympics? As mentioned above, he competed pretty favorably against Team USA. And we and a bunch of other teams have had scouts watching him play in Europe. What's the difference between watching a game against Real Madrid and watching a game against Wake Forest, for example?

Sorry but I think you're dismissing him for reasons that simply do not stand up to close scrutiny. And BTW? I understood your point - I just don't happen to agree with the logic behind it.

 

[bajaden]

What ever man I'm not going to argue about what I said or what I intended to say. What I'm trying to convey is that all of what people keep referring to is small samples of Rubio where as with the other players we have a body of work to judge as well as the scouts. With Rubio we just don't have that. I'm not saying we don't pick him because of not working out, I think we'd be more leery of picking someone who we aren't as familiar with. Ultimately it doesn't matter GP is the GM he'll pick who ever he wants to pick and who ever he picks we'll have to live with. I just am a littled tired with this Rubio infatuation on draft night people let the dream go since we got the 4th pick and now they are predicating are draft on him and it gets a little annoying. He's not god's gift to basketball. We get him great we don't it might actually turn out to be better who really knows?

It strikes me that you have circled the wagons and intend to fight it out to the end. The thing is, I think your fighting friendly indians. Now, I try to speak to God every day, but so far he hasn't divulged to me whether Rubio is the second coming or not. So its still up for grabs.

As far as the excitement over Rubio being annoying to you. Well, don't read the posts that pretain to Rubio. There! Problem solved. On a serious note. People are going to draw their own conclusions about things. Some of them are well informed and some aren't. Some come to the table late are willing to eat whatevers on the table. Now I personally may disagree with what some posters say, and I'm sure that many disagree with me. But I never critizise them for their interest, or posting their opinion. Sometimes the best we can do is agree to disagree.

Now! Here's what I think about Rubio. I personally don't have enough information (like being able to see him play) to make a real educated opinion. And I think thats what you saying. For instance, I watched Griffin play in over 20 something games. Ditto Harden and some others to a lesser extent. And If you judge players on their body of work for the most part, that leaves me lacking where Rubio is concerned.

However, I don't decide who to draft. Petrie and company do. And considering that they have been following Rubio since he was 15 years old, they do have a body of work on which to judge. Which is what VF21 was saying. You yourself said that you trusted Petrie to make the right decision, as most of us do. I appreciate your concerns, and share them. But I'm still excited about the possibility of what the future holds. Rubio or not.

 

[dj3ptspecialist44]

It strikes me that you have circled the wagons and intend to fight it out to the end. The thing is, I think your fighting friendly indians. Now, I try to speak to God every day, but so far he hasn't divulged to me whether Rubio is the second coming or not. So its still up for grabs.

As far as the excitement over Rubio being annoying to you. Well, don't read the posts that pretain to Rubio. There! Problem solved. On a serious note. People are going to draw their own conclusions about things. Some of them are well informed and some aren't. Some come to the table late are willing to eat whatevers on the table. Now I personally may disagree with what some posters say, and I'm sure that many disagree with me. But I never critizise them for their interest, or posting their opinion. Sometimes the best we can do is agree to disagree.

Now! Here's what I think about Rubio. I personally don't have enough information (like being able to see him play) to make a real educated opinion. And I think thats what you saying. For instance, I watched Griffin play in over 20 something games. Ditto Harden and some others to a lesser extent. And If you judge players on their body of work for the most part, that leaves me lacking where Rubio is concerned.

However, I don't decide who to draft. Petrie and company do. And considering that they have been following Rubio since he was 15 years old, they do have a body of work on which to judge. Which is what VF21 was saying. You yourself said that you trusted Petrie to make the right decision, as most of us do. I appreciate your concerns, and share them. But I'm still excited about the possibility of what the future holds. Rubio or not.

Respectful and concise and I can accept that. I'm not annoyed with the topic of Rubio. I want him on our team. Just gets exhaustive hearing people crown him. I watched his games at the olympics I believe semi finals he had 6 points and finals he had 9 I could be wrong he also made some good plays. The guy is going to be good but yes I agree with what your'e saying not seeing enough. Which is why I advocated for him to workout so we know. I think it can either help him with Petrie or hurt him, because I have a feeling that who ever leaves the best lasting impression might get picked. I could be wrong, but what happens friday and with the other players like Derozan Harden and Evans will be interesting.

 

[Aenadin]

blazers and knicks are out of the rubio race... read somewhere that portland and knicks have agreed for a trade.. involving rodriguez going to the knicks... seems to me that portland is really investing on bayless

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Look again. I said he COULD BE one of the greatest... He may not have stepped into an NBA practice facility but he's been playing professional basketball for four years. He has skills - no one is denying that BTW - and he has a ton of potential.

I've said it before and apparently I need to say it again since you're not getting it ... RUBIO is a gamble but it's one that could pay the Kings dividends for a very long time if he comes in. The Maloofs are gamblers; I can see them willing to take the chance on a kid whose upside is yet to be determined.

Did you not watch any of the Olympics? As mentioned above, he competed pretty favorably against Team USA. And we and a bunch of other teams have had scouts watching him play in Europe. What's the difference between watching a game against Real Madrid and watching a game against Wake Forest, for example?

Sorry but I think you're dismissing him for reasons that simply do not stand up to close scrutiny. And BTW? I understood your point - I just don't happen to agree with the logic behind it.

I just wanted to pop in and say that I really hope the Maloofs get out of Geoffs way this offseason .. We have ALOT riding on what we do the next few months.

 

[Smills91]

I just wanted to pop in and say that I really hope the Maloofs get out of Geoffs way this offseason .. We have ALOT riding on what we do the next few months.

Not only that, but give him the green light to go forward with what he deems fi to make us better. It's time to pony up and invest in some fresh young talent to turn this ship around.

 

[kingsnation]

Not sure if this has been posted, it's news to me.. delete if needed:

ESPN..

Rubio sues team

Ricky Rubio now must deal with the Spanish government if he wants to play in the NBA.

The guard has been trying to get out of his contract with Spanish league team DKV Joventut but has met resistance. On Tuesday, according to the Spanish news agency EFE, Rubio sued the team after learning that it had transferred the rights to his buyout to Hacienda, the Spanish version of the Internal Revenue Service. The rights were sold to satisfy a debt Joventut had with Hacienda.

Leopoldo Hinjos, Rubio's lawyer, claims that the team did not inform his client that his rights were about to be ceded to a third party. The team says that representatives of Hacienda went to Joventut's offices and demanded a guarantee to cover the outstanding debt.

More..

 

[Vlade4GM]

What the hell does that mean?

 

[Section 101]

Not sure if this has been posted, it's news to me.. delete if needed:

ESPN..

Rubio sues team



More..

Does that mean he's playing for the Spanish IRS next year if he doesn't come to the NBA?

 

[ParniValjak]

What the hell does that mean?

It means that the buyout just got tougher.

DKV are in somewhat of financial crisis and Rubio is their biggest asset. In order to cover their debt, they used Rubio's buyout as insurance. In other words if Rubio wants out, chances are he will need to pay every cent of the buyout. Unless of course he sues them for having a ridicilous buyout compared to his earning salary and wins. Then DKV probably folds and Rubio is free to play anywhere.

 

[KingsCitizen]

Does that mean he's playing for the Spanish IRS next year if he doesn't come to the NBA?

LOL! I think its getting political, maybe Spain government is in need of emergency funds and Rubio's buyout is surely a lot of money.

Bonds like this really sours the milk in a lot of situation.

 

[Vlade4GM]

It means that the buyout just got tougher.

DKV are in somewhat of financial crisis and Rubio is their biggest asset. In order to cover their debt, they used Rubio's buyout as insurance. In other words if Rubio wants out, chances are he will need to pay every cent of the buyout. Unless of course he sues them for having a ridicilous buyout compared to his earning salary and wins. Then DKV probably folds and Rubio is free to play anywhere.

I just don't understand how they can do that, it just doesn't seem like it should be legal.

 

[VF21]

Not sure if this has been posted, it's news to me.. delete if needed:

ESPN..

Rubio sues team



More..

Attention Bricklayer... What are the possible ramifications of this???? Inquiring minds really want to know.

 

[Bricklayer]

Attention Bricklayer... What are the possible ramifications of this???? Inquiring minds really want to know.

Well, contract law is largely contract law, but that's almost sure to be handled under Spanish law, so don't know the details exactly. There was some mention in an article about it of a case or two of late involving soccer players that might break Rubio's way -- the reasoning being that the buyout was unreasonably large given the size of the underlying contract. On the flip side they said that Rubio received a pay bump midseason this year or some such, adn so they were saying that might mean the buyout wasn't too large any longer. Like I say though, Spanish law, so largely outside of my experience.

One interesting point of that article thoguh was that if he went ahead and sued them that the stink from it was going to be too great for there to be any way he returned to them next year. So it may more or less guarantee that he comes on over regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit (and indeed he may not know the outcome until the seaosn has started).

 

[DerekJ]

Look again. I said he COULD BE one of the greatest... He may not have stepped into an NBA practice facility but he's been playing professional basketball for four years. He has skills - no one is denying that BTW - and he has a ton of potential.

I've said it before and apparently I need to say it again since you're not getting it ... RUBIO is a gamble but it's one that could pay the Kings dividends for a very long time if he comes in. The Maloofs are gamblers; I can see them willing to take the chance on a kid whose upside is yet to be determined.

Did you not watch any of the Olympics? As mentioned above, he competed pretty favorably against Team USA. And we and a bunch of other teams have had scouts watching him play in Europe. What's the difference between watching a game against Real Madrid and watching a game against Wake Forest, for example?

Sorry but I think you're dismissing him for reasons that simply do not stand up to close scrutiny. And BTW? I understood your point - I just don't happen to agree with the logic behind it.

I'd be wary of using Olympic play as a barometer for success. As others have said Juan Carlos Navarro looked more impressive than Rubio, and Patrick Mills looked like the 2nd coming of AI. Carlos Arroyo also looked beastly a couple years back, and we all know how well that turned out...

Point is, I wouldn't waste the #4 pick on these players. I certainly hope Petrie drafts based on due diligence, rather than what will sell tickets.

 

[ParniValjak]

I just don't understand how they can do that, it just doesn't seem like it should be legal.

I don't know the legalities of it but the bottom line he is their asset. Probably their most priced asset. It is unusual no doubt but I am sure that a good lawyer can find holes in all this.

 

[kennadog]

I certainly hope Petrie drafts based on due diligence, rather than what will sell tickets.

I don't doubt GP's due diligence. Hopefully, the player we pick will be the best for our team and will sell tickets. That would be the best outcome.

 

[Aenadin]

selling tickets right now is utmost priority... getting media coverage and overseas fanbase is a must too... some excitement is needed right now

 

[DerekJ]

selling tickets right now is utmost priority... getting media coverage and overseas fanbase is a must too... some excitement is needed right now

That's what I'm afraid of. No doubt Rubio is a big name, and will sell a tremendous amount of tickets. If he has some semblance of talent, Stern will make him the face of Spain, and market the hell out of him.

I'm sure the Maloofs are aware of this, and given their recent financial woes, no doubt have Rubio at the top of their list. However, I hope the Maloofs don't pull an Al Davis, and Petrie is allowed to draft the BPA.

 

[Aenadin]

in reality he COULD be the BPA when we draft... or we can move up to get him

if indeed stern has ideas of making him the face of spain.. what better way to advertise the kings yes? marketing comes first. the more exposure the more chances we get to draw in potential stars...

 

[=LarryLegend=]

A new Rubio Mixtape I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izOWaJU7XHg

 

[=LarryLegend=]

I am sure the maloofs want Rubio, He alone would help put us on National tv again.

Plus make the "Rebuilding the Kingdon" tv show more interesting.

 

[Aenadin]

what this team needs right now is a LEADER... not another piece to the puzzle..and though martin will assume leadership role.. i think this kid can and will grow into that leader role... i just really hope and i do mean HOPE we draft this kid... i like his flashy plays but thats not the thing that excites me.. its his leadership and scrappy defensive play... we need a guy like that... his athleticism may limit him but hes heart and fiery attitude makes up alot of it

 

[Capt. Factorial]

One interesting point of that article thoguh was that if he went ahead and sued them that the stink from it was going to be too great for there to be any way he returned to them next year. So it may more or less guarantee that he comes on over regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit (and indeed he may not know the outcome until the seaosn has started).

I would agree that this actually seals the deal on Rubio coming to the NBA this season. If I'm attempting to negotiate an unfavorable clause in my contract with my employer (in fact a clause that might be struck down in court) and my employer refuses to budge, and then when I try to go to mediation they sell the contract clause to a governmental agency who will have no reason to negotiate, I'm going to take that as a serious act of bad faith. No way I'm going back. That relationship is irreparably damaged.

That's the kind of bad press that could stick with Joventut for years, too. You think they're going to sign any more young prospects to long-term deals? Shoot, if I were a veteran I'd think three times before signing with Joventut, even if they had the best offer.

 

[Dime Dropper]

A new Rubio Mixtape I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izOWaJU7XHg

There's a crossover in there at around 2:50 which is disgusting. Don't know how I've never seen it before.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I would agree that this actually seals the deal on Rubio coming to the NBA this season. If I'm attempting to negotiate an unfavorable clause in my contract with my employer (in fact a clause that might be struck down in court) and my employer refuses to budge, and then when I try to go to mediation they sell the contract clause to a governmental agency who will have no reason to negotiate, I'm going to take that as a serious act of bad faith. No way I'm going back. That relationship is irreparably damaged.

That's the kind of bad press that could stick with Joventut for years, too. You think they're going to sign any more young prospects to long-term deals? Shoot, if I were a veteran I'd think three times before signing with Joventut, even if they had the best offer.

Joventut should've just bit the bullet and negotiated with him, if only for the sake of good PR.

 

[sidney]

I don't understand how a buyout amount can so much more than they paid the guy during his entire time with the team. Makes around 100k/year and has a 5M (or whatever) buyout?

Horrible contract...so horrible I doubt that stands up in court.

 

[Aenadin]

not unless rubio has millions of euros worth of christmas bonus