Lets "HELP" Tyreke get ROY!!!!!
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Not sure how people are consistently blaming this on the NBA, or Stern, or whoever the latest boogeyman is.
Media ignorance, nothing more, nothing less. And the vote swinging is because this has little to do with basketball anymore, and everything to do with politics. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but if the media heads who are talking about it have an accurate read the G.S. PR department has been kicking the crap out of the Kings PR department. Want to get angry at somebody, get angry at them for being unprepared for the nature of this fight.
We'll see. Mentioned several times the consequences of losing this award because of a failed PR war make me uneasy. Reke came into the league with winning this as a goal. He won it on the court. If the franchise loses it for him off the court...when the big boys come calling in a few years when he's a free agent you don't want them to be able to pitch "if you were with the Lakers you would have won it (and he would have), you would have been an All Star, you would have got this endorsement or that, etc.. Star/franchise pairings are like marriages -- everybody has to be able to live up to their part of the bargain or somebody in the relationship is going to start getting happy feet and looking elsewhere.
Media ignorance, nothing more, nothing less. And the vote swinging is because this has little to do with basketball anymore, and everything to do with politics. We don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but if the media heads who are talking about it have an accurate read the G.S. PR department has been kicking the crap out of the Kings PR department. Want to get angry at somebody, get angry at them for being unprepared for the nature of this fight.
We'll see. Mentioned several times the consequences of losing this award because of a failed PR war make me uneasy. Reke came into the league with winning this as a goal. He won it on the court. If the franchise loses it for him off the court...when the big boys come calling in a few years when he's a free agent you don't want them to be able to pitch "if you were with the Lakers you would have won it (and he would have), you would have been an All Star, you would have got this endorsement or that, etc.. Star/franchise pairings are like marriages -- everybody has to be able to live up to their part of the bargain or somebody in the relationship is going to start getting happy feet and looking elsewhere.
I think I have a basic understanding of how lobbying works in politics. There's a certan quid pro quo. The only people that should be ashamed or embarrassed are the sports writers who could be manipulated. What, Golden State gave you nicer "goodie bag?" I would think most of the voters are subjected to PR campaigns every year.
Watch the films, look at some stats, and talk to players that have competed against both players.
Watch the films, look at some stats, and talk to players that have competed against both players.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...w-stephen-curry-might-win-rookie-of-the-year/
Here is a long article that describes how the warriors PR team may convince the voters. And yes they confirmed that these PR people called up every voter individually.
Here is a long article that describes how the warriors PR team may convince the voters. And yes they confirmed that these PR people called up every voter individually.
Hmm.
Maybe I am in a benevolent mood today but, for the most part, I agree with this post.
However, I do think Evans' being the ROY will have a lot to do with how the Maloofs/Kings market for a FA this summer (if they do at all). I think it boils down to two separate arguments. How would Evans NOT winning ROY affect a.) the organization and b.) Evans. I think it would have a bigger effect on the former.
On a side note, I love your avatar, man. Butch Cassidy is still one of my favorite movies and that picture is badass. Once I saw it I went online to try to find a poster of it.
Maybe I am in a benevolent mood today but, for the most part, I agree with this post.
However, I do think Evans' being the ROY will have a lot to do with how the Maloofs/Kings market for a FA this summer (if they do at all). I think it boils down to two separate arguments. How would Evans NOT winning ROY affect a.) the organization and b.) Evans. I think it would have a bigger effect on the former.
On a side note, I love your avatar, man. Butch Cassidy is still one of my favorite movies and that picture is badass. Once I saw it I went online to try to find a poster of it.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawaka...w-stephen-curry-might-win-rookie-of-the-year/
Here is a long article that describes how the warriors PR team may convince the voters. And yes they confirmed that these PR people called up every voter individually.
Here is a long article that describes how the warriors PR team may convince the voters. And yes they confirmed that these PR people called up every voter individually.
And it makes you wonder: What about the negotiations for a new stadium, and for partners and advertising that will be necessary to get the stadium signed off on and built? And what about recruiting free agents? Evidently, the Kings have a problem with selling their cause(s). Hopefully they just dropped the ball on this one, but if it winds up costing Reke what should rightfully be his, it could have long-term ramifications just from a relationship/image standpoint.
I completely agree with this post. My first thought when I read the PR comment was: "is the organization sitting on their hands?"
I understand that the Kings have been promoting Evans as ROY, but from what I have seen it's been mostly internal. If Curry wins because GW's organization had the "balls" to call each and every voter and try to swing them, then good for them. Seriously. Just means we got out-hussled. This should have never been as close as people are making it in the first place.
If Curry does win, I am more concerned with the organization's inability to bring Sac back in to the spotlight on something that should have been a lock, as opposed to the ROY award itself. Society is corrupt, and the media leads the pack. You do what you have to do to get the job done in that business. Period. People will complain about my comment, but it is an unfortunate truth.
I understand that the Kings have been promoting Evans as ROY, but from what I have seen it's been mostly internal. If Curry wins because GW's organization had the "balls" to call each and every voter and try to swing them, then good for them. Seriously. Just means we got out-hussled. This should have never been as close as people are making it in the first place.
If Curry does win, I am more concerned with the organization's inability to bring Sac back in to the spotlight on something that should have been a lock, as opposed to the ROY award itself. Society is corrupt, and the media leads the pack. You do what you have to do to get the job done in that business. Period. People will complain about my comment, but it is an unfortunate truth.
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Whatever the Kings have or have not done, the Warriors have performed better. KJ got involved in the 20/5/5 push, but I haven't heard anything from him since then, particularly about ROY. And it's not his job, true, but as for the residual benefits as it pertains to the city of Sacramento -- whether it be the prestige of the Kings, getting a new arena and development project done, whatever -- I don't think it would have been too far-fetched for him to have lobbied for our guy.
Agreed. Who knows though. It may turn out that Tyreke wins in a landslide and we are making too much of this.
GW went all out to do what they had to do to get their man into the spotlight. If Curry wins it and three years down the road Curry is an allstar and resigns with GW, GW's PR campaign was worth it. Period. Regardless of how shiesty it looks.
GW went all out to do what they had to do to get their man into the spotlight. If Curry wins it and three years down the road Curry is an allstar and resigns with GW, GW's PR campaign was worth it. Period. Regardless of how shiesty it looks.
The problem that I have with this lobbying thing is more of IF the voters are somehow changing votes after the deadline and the league is allowing it. Because really as of 1-2 days before the voting deadline, all sources and ballots pointed the majority of votes for Evans.
In case you guys didn't see my earlier post:
According to Scott-Howard-Cooper's Twitter
"GSW PR push for ROY continues to impact: 1 more voter convinced to switch Evans to Curry. My small sample shows at least 11pt swing to Steph"
When SHC says "continues to impact" we don't know if he means the voters are still changing votes or he means he is continuing to find out the change of votes previously PRIOR to the deadline.
The rookie announcements usually come out on Wed. Even during the year, all the rookie rankings are on wed. The previous years shows that ROY winners are announced on wed, after DPY is announced on Tues. Why the sudden changes? We'll never have any proof of it either way so I'm not going to say the NBA or who did it. But with comments like that from SHC, the delays... it makes you wonder.
The problem with the Kings' version of promoting is they were more interested in selling tickets and t-shirts. Everything was geared towards "so come to Arco to watch 20-5-5" etc.
Once they got the 20-5-5, they soften the campaign. Yes they did the Dude Perfect videos, they did send out media kits to the media with a DVD of Tyreke's highlights. But nothing is more personable than a one on one call to each and every voter, telling them how much you and the team loves their work and how greatly they would be appreciated if they do this favor for you. In all fairness, the Kings probably didn't expect the warriors to go all out like this last minute.
I say this is BS. I honestly think all of this talk about a PR campaign for ROY causing a dramatic change in votes is nothing more than media hype. Yeah maybe a couple voters changed their minds, it happens. I still say Evans wins by a landslide. Nothing like whats being suggested has ever happened. PR campaigns dont beat historical achievements.
So you're saying that the Warriors orchestrated this full scale lobbying effort in an attempt to win votes for their guy, but it was totally pointless because Reke has the better stats?
First of all, if it were just about the stats, with no consideration for anything else, there wouldn't be a vote. We'd just figure out who has the best stats and hand him the trophy. The fact that voters are allowed to determine who they think most deserves it shows that it's more about stats, and if that's not enough, the fact that there are voters on record supporting Brandon Jennings for ROY simply because the Bucks are a playoff team should be even more convincing. It's not solely about the stats.
Secondly, the notion that the Warriors PR blitz was pointless is lacking in perspective. Without getting into politics, lobbying is a huge industry in general, not because it's sexy and fun, but because it works. At least when done the right way. You're going to have some people who are firmly committed, one way or the other, but it goes back to the old sales 1-8-1 rule: For every ten people you pitch, one person is buying, no matter how bad your presentation sucks. One person is NOT buying, no matter how stellar your presentation is. It's the eight in between that really matter, because you have to sell them in order to get their business. Maybe it's not 1-8-1 in this case; maybe it's more 3-4-3, but those four in the middle are significant, because if you can get two of them, you're in the game. That's what the Warriors were all about.
Whether SHC's comment means that people are changing their minds now, or it means that he's finding out now that people changed their minds before finalizing their vote, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the Warriors out-lobbied the Kings. It's definitely had an impact on the final vote, even if it's just the 11 voters that Grant says he knows changed their minds after talking to the Warriors PR people. That's 22 points away from Reke and toward Curry right there.
All I'm saying is that this thing should have been open and shut, and everybody knows it. You might have some people who are so taken with Curry that they put him 1 and Tyreke 2, and that's fine, but the overwhelming majority of media people with votes, who have gone on record, have backed Tyreke. The ESPN breakdown is indicative of that. If the results wind up being close, or if, heaven forbid, Curry should win, it's an glaring indictment of the Kings front office for losing the PR war to the Warriors. And it could wind up having ramifications for the Kings and Sacramento's arena situation. Either way it goes, the Kings got outperformed on this one.
First of all, if it were just about the stats, with no consideration for anything else, there wouldn't be a vote. We'd just figure out who has the best stats and hand him the trophy. The fact that voters are allowed to determine who they think most deserves it shows that it's more about stats, and if that's not enough, the fact that there are voters on record supporting Brandon Jennings for ROY simply because the Bucks are a playoff team should be even more convincing. It's not solely about the stats.
Secondly, the notion that the Warriors PR blitz was pointless is lacking in perspective. Without getting into politics, lobbying is a huge industry in general, not because it's sexy and fun, but because it works. At least when done the right way. You're going to have some people who are firmly committed, one way or the other, but it goes back to the old sales 1-8-1 rule: For every ten people you pitch, one person is buying, no matter how bad your presentation sucks. One person is NOT buying, no matter how stellar your presentation is. It's the eight in between that really matter, because you have to sell them in order to get their business. Maybe it's not 1-8-1 in this case; maybe it's more 3-4-3, but those four in the middle are significant, because if you can get two of them, you're in the game. That's what the Warriors were all about.
Whether SHC's comment means that people are changing their minds now, or it means that he's finding out now that people changed their minds before finalizing their vote, it doesn't matter. What matters is that the Warriors out-lobbied the Kings. It's definitely had an impact on the final vote, even if it's just the 11 voters that Grant says he knows changed their minds after talking to the Warriors PR people. That's 22 points away from Reke and toward Curry right there.
All I'm saying is that this thing should have been open and shut, and everybody knows it. You might have some people who are so taken with Curry that they put him 1 and Tyreke 2, and that's fine, but the overwhelming majority of media people with votes, who have gone on record, have backed Tyreke. The ESPN breakdown is indicative of that. If the results wind up being close, or if, heaven forbid, Curry should win, it's an glaring indictment of the Kings front office for losing the PR war to the Warriors. And it could wind up having ramifications for the Kings and Sacramento's arena situation. Either way it goes, the Kings got outperformed on this one.
I'm banking on the fact the the voters know precisely that's it's not all about stats. How "basketball" people could watch Tyreke and Curry and not come to the conclusion that Curry is a good player but Tyreke is "special" is beyond me.
Also, I'm not sure a close vote should automatically mean the the front office should be condemned. "Basketball" people should not be easily manipulated. If a few people change their votes because the hot PR rep threw in some glossy photos I can live with that. As long as Tyreke wins it's all good...
Also, I'm not sure a close vote should automatically mean the the front office should be condemned. "Basketball" people should not be easily manipulated. If a few people change their votes because the hot PR rep threw in some glossy photos I can live with that. As long as Tyreke wins it's all good...
These basketball people you speak of are the same ones we all criticize for not knowing what the hell they're talking about for eight months out of the year. Maybe they "should not be easily manipulated," but do you really put it past them?
I just think it's clear that the Warriors played the game better than the Kings did. And when it comes to free agent acquisitions and stadium negotiations, and even the reputation of the team among players and their agents, if Reke doesn't win ROY, it would have an impact, for sure. Maybe even if he does, if it's closer in the end than it should be.
I just think it's clear that the Warriors played the game better than the Kings did. And when it comes to free agent acquisitions and stadium negotiations, and even the reputation of the team among players and their agents, if Reke doesn't win ROY, it would have an impact, for sure. Maybe even if he does, if it's closer in the end than it should be.
Nope. I mean what i posted. It reads as clear as day. When is the last time a rookie won because of a PR campaign? Never. When is the last time a rookie won because of stats? Always. There might be too small of a sample size to ask "When is the last time a rookie averaged 20/5/5 and didnt win ROY?".
It's hard to dispute that GS seemingly played the game better....
I'm trying to imagine the inner workings of these PR campaigns. I mean these people all saw(I believe) both of these guys play. Certainly, the sports writers also talk amongst themselves. What exactly does the PR campaign consist of? Convincing people they didn't see what they saw?? Convincing people the last two months of the season are magically more important than the first two?
I think Tyreke will win and in my humble opinion it doesn't matter if he wins by one vote or twenty.
I'm trying to imagine the inner workings of these PR campaigns. I mean these people all saw(I believe) both of these guys play. Certainly, the sports writers also talk amongst themselves. What exactly does the PR campaign consist of? Convincing people they didn't see what they saw?? Convincing people the last two months of the season are magically more important than the first two?
I think Tyreke will win and in my humble opinion it doesn't matter if he wins by one vote or twenty.
It's just funny what this turns into: PR campaigns, calling the voters, etc. This is a freaking ROY award. It's something that is supposed to be fun, but it should not turn into politics.It should be between the rookies only, not who's PR campaign is the best and if GS pathetically called up every single voter and our PR did not, then I say good job for letting Reke's play speak for himself.
What I said is that it shouldn't come down to that, I stand by what I said. I'm talking about some people saying stuff like GS beat us at the game, and I'm saying there should be no "game" between the GS Warriors PR staff and ours. It's great when the PR staff helps hype the community for Reke and other players (what the Kings staff seems to be doing), but calling up voters is just taking it a bit too far in my book for an award. It's just silly that people have come to take an award so seriously. Just think of it this way, you don't see referees letting fans call them up and tell them what they think of a play.