Greenspan 101
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Not a Kings grade post here, but Bonzi Wells just got faked out of his jockstrap by Luke Walton and spilled on the floor like a deck of cards in the LA vs. HOU game. Glad we went with K-mart.
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Gargamel
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Wells was killing us when he was in the game. Luckily JVG has no shortage of scrubs to play instead of him.
Luther Head almost pulled the dumbass rookie move of the season by fouling Kwame off the ball in the final secs of reg, good for 1 and the ball for LA. They're lucky they didn't lose right then and there.
SacTownKid
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Bonzi looks in pretty good shape though. He must have really worked hard these last weeks to lose the weight he put on over the summer.
How long is Tmac out? This team is horrible without him. With the exception of Yao of course. He will put up numbers like no other one day.
How long is Tmac out? This team is horrible without him. With the exception of Yao of course. He will put up numbers like no other one day.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Givne that I have Yao, Kobe, Smush, Bonzi, Luke and Juwann on various of my fantasy teams, a 2OT game is jsut waht the doctor ordered. especially Yao, who I've got on 3 (35-15-8 = yummy) and Bonzi (finally getting back) who I've been sitting on all season in all but 1.
supamari0
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T-MAC COME BACK...
Seriously, this team can play three quarters but when it gets to the end, we just can't finish. T-Mac is the go to guy at the end of games because Yao just gets to exhausted by that point and no one else is worth a damn in the clutch. (Luther Head occasionally can do stuff but he'll also do stupid stuff as demonstrated today)
Seriously, Houston without T-Mac is the equivalent of a baseball team without a closer. You'll blow tons of games that way and we've blown two in a row like that.
But on Bonzi, he looks fine but he's just clueless as to what to do on offense. (which isn't his fault considering this is the first real time with the team that he's had) The problem is that this is an isolation offense that basically posts Yao or puts T-Mac on the wings. Yao either scores or kicks it out for jump shots. T-Mac penetrates and scores or kicks it out. Bonzi isn't a spot up shooter but the lane is so clogged up because of Yao and T-Mac that he's stuck doing stuff like spotting up. The only time he actually was effective was when Yao came out so Bonzi could work on the post. Also, Bonzi tried penetrating a couple of times and just looked ridiculous. I think he's still a little out of shape because he's not getting the lift that he normally should and those moves to the basket may have not been swatted away with such ease.
Seriously, this team can play three quarters but when it gets to the end, we just can't finish. T-Mac is the go to guy at the end of games because Yao just gets to exhausted by that point and no one else is worth a damn in the clutch. (Luther Head occasionally can do stuff but he'll also do stupid stuff as demonstrated today)
Seriously, Houston without T-Mac is the equivalent of a baseball team without a closer. You'll blow tons of games that way and we've blown two in a row like that.
But on Bonzi, he looks fine but he's just clueless as to what to do on offense. (which isn't his fault considering this is the first real time with the team that he's had) The problem is that this is an isolation offense that basically posts Yao or puts T-Mac on the wings. Yao either scores or kicks it out for jump shots. T-Mac penetrates and scores or kicks it out. Bonzi isn't a spot up shooter but the lane is so clogged up because of Yao and T-Mac that he's stuck doing stuff like spotting up. The only time he actually was effective was when Yao came out so Bonzi could work on the post. Also, Bonzi tried penetrating a couple of times and just looked ridiculous. I think he's still a little out of shape because he's not getting the lift that he normally should and those moves to the basket may have not been swatted away with such ease.
DaMan
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I love Yao but T-mac is the heart and soul of that team. He scores, rebounds, passes, steals, a complete package. Without him they just can't win a game, they are like 6- 30. I think if yao went down t-mac could still will that team to the playoffs, i don't think yao is capable of doing that if t-mac did.
And supaimario, in your opinion, do you think that Magget would be a good fit for team? I know that you guys need more of a shooter and a big men then anything else but i think he would be good as a third scorer next to yao and T-mac. I think that the clippers would be interested in a trade for bonzi who is not working out there.
And supaimario, in your opinion, do you think that Magget would be a good fit for team? I know that you guys need more of a shooter and a big men then anything else but i think he would be good as a third scorer next to yao and T-mac. I think that the clippers would be interested in a trade for bonzi who is not working out there.
supamari0
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Maggette would be great but there's no way that gets done. We don't have the players to match salaries. Also, Maggette would have to be a bench player in houston as well (something he's always complained about in LA)
But I agree, this offense isn't really working for Bonzi. He worked great in Sacramento because he was the only real post presence (outside of maybe SAR) But with Yao constantly owning the paint, Bonzi is forced out and it really isn't his forte to be out on the perimeter. Maggette would be good because he's a slasher that can drive to the basket.
I wish that trade could happen, but it won't.
Lamar_Odom
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How about Jackson's strategy to let Yao have his way early in the game, his version of "rope a dope?" I think it's brilliant.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Lamar_Odom
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yes indeed a brilliant 2 OT victory over a team missing one of its stars.
Oh, the Lakers didn't have Odom, 19 points, 10 rebounds 5 assists...
SacKings384
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Yes I can just imagine Phil... Alright here's the gameplan guys. We're going to let Yao score early and let them go up alot. But remember they played last night and they're tired and depleted. So what we're going to do is make it so we can get it to double OT, and then we'll take em when they're tired. Simply brilliant...
supamari0
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T-Mac>>Odom, lets not be silly here.
Oh and please don't claim that Yao's domination was a "strategy" of Jackson. That's utter nonsense. Yao just got fatigued by the first overtime. That's always been a problem of his but don't spin it like Jackson somehow planned this. Yao thoroughly owned the paint that game but there wasn't any offense outside of Yao.
The Rockets fell apart at the end because they didn't have T-Mac to stop the Lakers. Also, T-Mac is a very underrated defender who couldve switched off on Kobe if necessary when Battier was out. The Lakers run came when Battier sat down and Kobe could just own whatever chump was guarding him.
As for Bonzi, its almost impossible for him to get on the post when a big 7-6 Chinese guy is always there. The only time he gets on the post is the 10 minutes a game Yao sits down, which also was the only time Bonzi was scoring. They simply don't have the option to really post Bonzi when the offense goes through Yao on the post. Also, I always thought Bonzi could slash to the basket (at least somewhat) but that game it looked like all he could do was post up and rebound.
Gargamel
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The stats disprove that.
supamari0
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T-Mac was a shell of himself the 1st 10 games of the year. During his last 5 games (excluding the cleveland game where he got injured), he put up 23, 31, 14, 23, and 28 while averaging 7 assists and 5 rebounds, 1 steal and a block.
He was just starting to get his game back before his back went berserk again. Also, the guy is money at the end of games when things are close. He's our closer and the guy who'll take the last shot of the game as opposed to Yao who hasn't developed that ability yet.
The only thing Odom has on him is rebounding which isn't even that important on a team that thoroughly outrebounds its opponents. Also, Odom's a power forward so he better be outrebounding a shooting guard
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Lamar_Odom
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And a 2-0 vs. the Rockets, not to mention, the Lakers' winning tradition...
Gargamel
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Odom is multi-faceted for his height. It's hard to make up for his output and his ability to drive to the rim, board, and dish. I'm not saying he's better than Tmac; I'm saying he's not <<<<<< than Tmac. He's certainly not as one-dimensional as you seem to describe him. He's a major part of a highly structured offense. He ain't there simply for boards.
supamari0
Bench
I never said that. Lamar's a great player, no question. However, the only area of his game that is superior to T-Mac's is rebounding and that better be the case because he plays power forward. I know Lamar's a key part of the offense and penetrates a lot but that's also what T-Mac does and he's even more important to the Rockets because no one else on that team knows how to drive to the basket. Also, T-Mac plays a lot of point guard now and gives you almost 7 assists a game because Rafer Alston is incompetent. (Rafer attempts more threes a game than he dishes out assists)
Boy if you guys keep bashing Mike Bibby, we'd love to get him down to houston. I WISH DESPERATELY that we had a real point guard. Like I said somewhere else, the last time we had a real legit point guard was John Lucas which was so long ago that his son currently plays for the Rockets. Yes, it's been one total generation since we've had a good point guard.
Lamar_Odom
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Sam Cassel wasn't a point guard? Kenny Smith wasn't bad either. You've had your glory days when Hakeem was there. On paper, really, Yao & TMAC should resemble close to being Shaq & Kobe. Unfortunately for the Rockets, Yao is not as tough mentally or as imposing as Shaq. TMAC doesn't have Kobe's heart.
Lamar_Odom
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Also, Yao hasn't shown enough dedication to physical fitness as he should. He gets tired. I wonder how many miles he jogged a day during the off season.
Not really a fair assessment, LO. There was a documentary some time back that talked about Yao Ming. It went into some kind of birth defect or abnormality that has an effect on his endurance capability. I don't remember exactly what it was, but I do remember that it was one of the reasons they have to make sure he gets adequate bench time. Something about the ability of his blood to absorb and transit oxygen or something...
supamari0
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You have NO IDEA what you're talking about. Everyone on that team including Van Gundy have said that he's the hardest working player they've ever seen.
Ever wonder why anyone over 7-2 is a stiff EXCEPT Yao Ming. Its because he works harder than everyone else. Seriously, you could not be further from the truth. He literally is the first guy in the weight room and the last one out
supamari0
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Cassell was a rookie and 2nd year player when we won those championships. You didn't see him then so you have no authority to speak about him. He was great in the clutch but he was a turnover machine. Plus he always attempted some ridiculous shots. Sam matured a lot over time but he was out of control a lot back then.
Also, Kenny wasn't a true point guard. He shot 3s extremely well but he wasn't the kind of floor general who'd lead a team. The offense went through Hakeem, not the point guard. We haven't had a point guard in the literal sense since John Lucas.
As for Yao and TMac. No Yao is as mentally tough as Shaq, he's not nearly as physically gifted. Shaq was a freak of nature and will never ever be rivaled in terms of strength and athleticism. Yao is a finesse player who's game is completely different. He doesn't have nor will he ever have Shaq's athleticism. And yes Kobe's better than tmac, no question. I'd take him anyday over TMac but I'm not sure why that's relevant.
Seriously, don't waste your time badmouthing teams and players you weren't around to pay attention to.
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