Warriors fans blame Barnes for their championship series loss several years back to Cavs.
It was odd to see him miss FTs tonight - those are his strong-suit usually.
[Game] Kings vs. Clippers, 10/22/2022 7pm Pacific, 10pm Eastern
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Warriors fans blame Barnes for their championship series loss several years back to Cavs.
It was odd to see him miss FTs tonight - those are his strong-suit usually.
fansinceday1
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Already forgot about this loss. Time to prepare for 49ers/Chiefs and then Kings/Warriors
Yeah. I'm not throwing out an all-star career from Sabonis from 2 bad games. That's foolish, he'll figure it out and play back to his norm.
I don't think Davion-Monk-Holmes-Barnes will continue to be this bad either, especially all in the same game. But as a team, we're relying on our depth and Fox/Sabonis in order to get wins. No coincidence we're 0-2 when the bench has been this bad and Sabonis is struggling.
I called this way earlier.....the die was cast.---
Tetsujin
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This is probably the biggest takeaway from tonight tbh.
For years, Kings fans have been clamoring for a star wing and it looks like we finally have one.
fansinceday1
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Im thinking he might be pretty good..............
Monk's really popped when he was playing off the attention of LeBron/Davis and being an elite floor spacer for them. Right now, we're expecting him to be a lead initator for creating his own offense and playmaking. That's not his game; it's much closer to what Huerter has been doing playing with the starters.
I'd like to see some Fox-Monk-Huerter-Murray-Sabonis type of minutes and get him back in that role. Expecting him to be Jamal Crawford/Lou Williams flame-thrower isn't where he needs to be.
SacTownKid
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Barnes looks tired too. I don't know why. Last year he was a total iron man. Barnes is being used quite a bit different as well. He was a clear cut option before and this year he struggling to even get looks. It will come to a head, and as of now I think spacing unit we saw at the end of the game will come out on top. Then Brown can selectively put in his "stoppers" in KZ/Davion around them.
fansinceday1
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Im really liking Huerter
I'm seriously considering not watching the 40ers game as I may have a stroke. McCaffrey makes it difficult to bypass
iowamcnabb
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we will see what happens but he is showing he might be able to play the 3. A shot blocking four at the deadline or in the off-season would be a nice get for this team.
ShastaKingsFan
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I wouldn't call it an All-Star career. He made the All-Star team. Doubt he does it again in the western conference, but would love if he did.
SacTownKid
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Yeah kind of. The only difference is Cat was a super proven player. Monk has had 1 redemption year after getting jerked around in his first few seasons. That is a concern.
Entity
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Barnes was our only post option until the sabonis trade. Barnes not getting ball in paint anymore. I think Barnes needs to be on floor anytime sabonis sits
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
If there are no positions almost every big is boned, lol.
watching post game and screw those two clowns in Clips jerseys behind Morgan clamoring for attention like it's bad enough when you're a fan of the home team to be that big of an attention whore.
Kingz19
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Another disappointing loss.
Just not enough guys playing well. We expected some good balance but the Kings look pretty thin. I wasn’t expecting that.
another sub par game by Sabonis. A little better than the Portland game but he just seems like an average big out there. It seems his timing his way off. Going up at the wrong times, too many pump fakes. It seems like the game is too fast for him right now. Just completely out of rhythm. I’m not worried about it long term but it’s going to be hard for the Kings to win if Sabonis is just a big body. There’s typically a fluidity to his game and right now there is nothing smooth about his play.
Barnes has looked lost in this team even through the preseason. His three pointers aren’t even close. Missing layups. Free throws. Getting smoked on defense. It might be him that ends up coming off the bench for Keegan.
KZ would be fine if the rest of the front court was contributing offensively. It hasn’t happened yet. With Sabonis and Barnes also not scoring he just looks like part of the problem.
Mitchell’s bricks are adding up. He’s also great defensively but a lot of great defensive guards have bricked themselves out of rotations. Mitchell is a streak shooter though so he’ll have his big games offensively and his spot will be justified…just hasn’t been these first two games
Monk was lousy again. He didn’t do a damn thing right in this one.
Holmes has been terrible. Not contributing anything. Not in the box score or the things that don’t show up in the box score. Just terrible.
The good
Fox has looked the best of his career. Shooting well from deep, mid range. Getting to the hoop. Free throws are still bad but hard to find anything much to complain about. He’s played like a star
Huerter was excellent again. I wish he would look for his shot more. He can shoot. Create. He’s tall. I’m not sure if creating for himself is really part of his repertoire but I thought I saw some of that in Atlanta. Either way, he’s been a great addition.
Murray is ready to start. He didn’t look like a rookie. Kings were better with him on the floor.
TD played well again.
It feels like another game that if Sabonis played well, it’s an easy win for the Kings. That’s encouraging because I don’t expect Sabonis to have a bad season…but hopefully the Kings don’t dig this hole too deep. They’ve lost two winnable games at home to start the season
Just not enough guys playing well. We expected some good balance but the Kings look pretty thin. I wasn’t expecting that.
another sub par game by Sabonis. A little better than the Portland game but he just seems like an average big out there. It seems his timing his way off. Going up at the wrong times, too many pump fakes. It seems like the game is too fast for him right now. Just completely out of rhythm. I’m not worried about it long term but it’s going to be hard for the Kings to win if Sabonis is just a big body. There’s typically a fluidity to his game and right now there is nothing smooth about his play.
Barnes has looked lost in this team even through the preseason. His three pointers aren’t even close. Missing layups. Free throws. Getting smoked on defense. It might be him that ends up coming off the bench for Keegan.
KZ would be fine if the rest of the front court was contributing offensively. It hasn’t happened yet. With Sabonis and Barnes also not scoring he just looks like part of the problem.
Mitchell’s bricks are adding up. He’s also great defensively but a lot of great defensive guards have bricked themselves out of rotations. Mitchell is a streak shooter though so he’ll have his big games offensively and his spot will be justified…just hasn’t been these first two games
Monk was lousy again. He didn’t do a damn thing right in this one.
Holmes has been terrible. Not contributing anything. Not in the box score or the things that don’t show up in the box score. Just terrible.
The good
Fox has looked the best of his career. Shooting well from deep, mid range. Getting to the hoop. Free throws are still bad but hard to find anything much to complain about. He’s played like a star
Huerter was excellent again. I wish he would look for his shot more. He can shoot. Create. He’s tall. I’m not sure if creating for himself is really part of his repertoire but I thought I saw some of that in Atlanta. Either way, he’s been a great addition.
Murray is ready to start. He didn’t look like a rookie. Kings were better with him on the floor.
TD played well again.
It feels like another game that if Sabonis played well, it’s an easy win for the Kings. That’s encouraging because I don’t expect Sabonis to have a bad season…but hopefully the Kings don’t dig this hole too deep. They’ve lost two winnable games at home to start the season
ShastaKingsFan
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Yeah, I don't see him being considered one of the top 3 centers in the western conference. I hope to be surprised
He missed some gimme shots in a close game its frustrating but yeah, he also got some stops and boards and I get that guy he was traded for is having a nice season can we also consider what Fox is doing right now in all of this?
Aside from the FTs I can't believe how negative I am on Barnes after 2 games.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I think that trade value is falling lol
Also, burying the lead, but yeah. As expected, Keegan Murray is a stud.
The DHO stuff with Sabonis is unreal and needs to be used significantly more often. His footwork to get a quick shot up is incredible, Sabonis is amazing at giving him space and he basically just has a free shot attempt every time. We saw some really great looking creation moves too, including a Dirk-esq fadeway after some dribble penetration. Competed well on defense too, even on PG. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap with some of these shots PG was making; you basically couldn't defend them better.
Fox continues his all-star start. Just night and day difference from the beginning of last season; he's engaged on both ends, he's staying aggressive and no one can stay in front of him when he's getting downhill. What's helped his shot I think is he's not doing all the creation himself; he's actually getting some open C&S attempts which is a positive change Dirty shame we've wasted these 2 amazing performances.
Huerter early returns could not be better. Just looks absolutely perfect next to Fox/Sabonis and is playing his spacer/secondary creator role to perfection. He's basically bigger Buddy Hield that can dribble and pass the ball. Looks to be a steal of an acquisition.
KZ has played his role to near perfection as well. The defense looks incredibly legit; PG made some impossible shots, but he gets tough contests better than any Kings player I can remember in recent memory. Chip in a 3/a loose ball dunk here or there and he very much looks like a good 15-20 MPG rotation guy. If the rest of the guys were doing their job, his impact would be more felt.
The DHO stuff with Sabonis is unreal and needs to be used significantly more often. His footwork to get a quick shot up is incredible, Sabonis is amazing at giving him space and he basically just has a free shot attempt every time. We saw some really great looking creation moves too, including a Dirk-esq fadeway after some dribble penetration. Competed well on defense too, even on PG. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap with some of these shots PG was making; you basically couldn't defend them better.
Fox continues his all-star start. Just night and day difference from the beginning of last season; he's engaged on both ends, he's staying aggressive and no one can stay in front of him when he's getting downhill. What's helped his shot I think is he's not doing all the creation himself; he's actually getting some open C&S attempts which is a positive change Dirty shame we've wasted these 2 amazing performances.
Huerter early returns could not be better. Just looks absolutely perfect next to Fox/Sabonis and is playing his spacer/secondary creator role to perfection. He's basically bigger Buddy Hield that can dribble and pass the ball. Looks to be a steal of an acquisition.
KZ has played his role to near perfection as well. The defense looks incredibly legit; PG made some impossible shots, but he gets tough contests better than any Kings player I can remember in recent memory. Chip in a 3/a loose ball dunk here or there and he very much looks like a good 15-20 MPG rotation guy. If the rest of the guys were doing their job, his impact would be more felt.
ShastaKingsFan
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If Murray is a good enough defender to be matched up on a hot Paul George at the end of a close game, then he is a good enough all around player to start. Would be silly if he doesn't for much longer
Kingster
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He'll be in at the end, that's for sure!
PorchSurfin
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Malikr needs to be less selfish and try to fit in more. Needs to let the game come to him as opposed to forcing the issue.
Brown won't do it, but moving Barnes to the bench at the 4 and letting him be a more the lead shot-creator makes more sense than leaving Keegan there. Right now, he's not a guy that's going to create his own shot; he's going to work off Sabonis in the DHO and launch C&S 3's. Barnes ISO ability plays better in that unit that has severely lacked that ability through 2 games.
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