Kings - Warriors - Nuggets

[Smills91]

Warriors - Nuggets - Kings
Kings give: Jason Thompson
Kings receive: Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo

Nuggets give: JR Smith, Chris Andersen, Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson
Nuggets receive: Andris Biedrins, Charlie Bell, Kelenna Azuibuke, Reggie Williams

Warriors deal: Andris Biedrin, Charlie Bell, Kelenna Azuibuike and Reggie Williams
Warriors receive: Jason Thompson, Chris Andersen, JR Smith

Kings new roster with mimimal contract signing(all minimum deals)

C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Greene, (Brockman)
SF: Garcia, Casspi, (Udoka)
SG: Evans, Afflalo, (Landesberg)
PG: Beno, Lawson, (Randle)

Kings fill out their roster on the cheap.
Nuggets land their extra big men they covet while filling up their back-court positions
Warriors shed long term salary and add two great fits to their roster in Thompson and Smith

 

[itzcoatl]

I don't think the Kings are interested in Ty Lawson. We have a good thing going with our prohibitive size and length advantage, so it doesn't make sense to add a 5'11" guy into the mix. We really, really don't need to trade Jason, but we especially don't need to trade him for either of these guys. Plus, this goes against the adage: never trade a big for a small.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

no thanks on thompson lawson trade. rather keep our full size big man than take a little that can be easier to find

 

[NME]

Some people here seem bound and determined to get us a little bitty PG if it's the last thing they do.

 

[Rookie]

I would like to keep Green at the SF position and Garica at the SG position. I'm not ready to give up on my 6'11'' PF yet who's capable of getting a double/double, play hard and willing to play from the bench.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Some people here seem bound and determined to get us a little bitty PG if it's the last thing they do.

no kidding.. can't wait for the season to start. our team finally has size, skill and depth and ppl want to start trading just for the sake of trading.. we haven't had a roster full of promise in like 10 years.

do we really need a player that is labeled "SG, PG"? garcia, beno and reke can handle the ball effectively. donte, cisco, reke, beno, casspi can all play SG or spot minutes there. i think we're pretty much set as far as the roster goes. just plug some role players and see what we have.

 

[hammystyle]

Warriors - Nuggets - Kings
Kings give: Jason Thompson
Kings receive: Ty Lawson and Arron Afflalo

Nuggets give: JR Smith, Chris Andersen, Arron Afflalo and Ty Lawson
Nuggets receive: Andris Biedrins, Charlie Bell, Kelenna Azuibuke, Reggie Williams

Warriors deal: Andris Biedrin, Charlie Bell, Kelenna Azuibuike and Reggie Williams
Warriors receive: Jason Thompson, Chris Andersen, JR Smith

Kings new roster with mimimal contract signing(all minimum deals)

C: Dalembert, Cousins, Whiteside
PF: Landry, Greene, (Brockman)
SF: Garcia, Casspi, (Udoka)
SG: Evans, Afflalo, (Landesberg)
PG: Beno, Lawson, (Randle)

Kings fill out their roster on the cheap.
Nuggets land their extra big men they covet while filling up their back-court positions
Warriors shed long term salary and add two great fits to their roster in Thompson and Smith

If you were the Nuggets why not just trade Lawson and Afflalo for JT? The Warriors make out like bandits in this version and the Nuggets get screwed.

Then there's the question of whether the Nuggets want to blow a big hole in their backcourt to get JT. I'm not sure they'd even go one for one Lawson for JT. They've got Chauncey for this year and a team option.

For us it would make some sense, though I think Lawson is almost too talented to want a longterm role as a backup guard. Also I just as a general strategy we don't want to trade one of our young pieces for two more young pieces players. We want to trade some of our young roster depth for a stud. Like maybe JT, Casspi and our pick next year for Granger. Something like that.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Some people here seem bound and determined to get us a little bitty PG if it's the last thing they do.

Some people here seem bound and determined to ignore the fact that we already have a point guard. Actually, we have two because Beno is one as well, but that's beside the point. We already have a point guard who was Rookie of the Year last year playing point guard. We have a backup for him. It would be nice to have a third-stringer, but you don't go out and trade away frontcourt depth to get that. Lawson is superfluous.

Afflalo, on the other hand, is nice, because he's a fantastic perimeter defender, which is something we'd really like to add. Is he worth Jason Thompson? Or would we be better off just waiting out a year and trying to sign him as a restricted free agent?

 

[Chupacabra]

#1 - You dont trade a bigman for a guard. #2 - The Warriors EASILY get the best of this deal. #3 - The last thing id want to do in order to acquire another guard is trade away any of our young players, which is almost the whole team.

 

[NoBonus]

The deal does work on paper...
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5588029

 

[hiero]

Some people here seem bound and determined to get us a little bitty PG if it's the last thing they do.

I really don't want a small little pg. I want us to get a sg who can shoot the 3 and guard people

 

[Smills91]

This deal is as much for the 6'5 Arron Afflalo who I've targeted as the #1 target as an ideal backcourt mate to 'Reke. I like Lawson off the bench as a change of pace PG. I think a LOT of people in this thread, not going to mention any names, are really bound to the idea that we get only height, rather than talent in the backcourt. Lawson is also a phenomenal fit next to Tyreke. What I like about this deal is it gives us NEW SKILL-SETS on our roster that are complementary and give us additional flexibility to match up and/or create mis-matches in our favor to help us win games. There's more than one way to fry a fish, and you'll have to win basketball games in a multiplicity of ways as well. Stop being so close-minded about "ONLY BIG GUARDS WILL SUFFICE" next to Tyreke syndrome. Think BIG picture here.

 

[Smills91]

#1 - You dont trade a bigman for a guard. #2 - The Warriors EASILY get the best of this deal. #3 - The last thing id want to do in order to acquire another guard is trade away any of our young players, which is almost the whole team.

So you wouldn't trade Jason Thompson for Stephen Curry?

Just so you get the 'generic' rule CORRECT. It's you don't trade a bigman for a guard if the value is equal. If the value is in your favor, you ALWAYS trade Big for small, ESPECIALLY when it fits your teams needs to boot. Like is the case here in this thread.

 

[King Baller]

I have to disagree that the Kings needs are met here. The Kings need Doug Christie 2.0 not a 5" 11" shooter. Also I think JT is the best player in this deal and thats besides the fact he is a 6" 11" PF with a nasty streak.

The value is there, but I don't want the Kings to dilute the current Big Man pool before we get a chance to seem them play together. Better to just sign a FA combo guard like Raja Bell or Wes Matthews.

KB

 

[Smills91]

I have to disagree that the Kings needs are met here. The Kings need Doug Christie 2.0 not a 5" 11" shooter. Also I think JT is the best player in this deal and thats besides the fact he is a 6" 11" PF with a nasty streak.

The value is there, but I don't want the Kings to dilute the current Big Man pool before we get a chance to seem them play together. Better to just sign a FA combo guard like Raja Bell or Wes Matthews.

KB

Who the hell do you think Arron Afflalo is? 6'5. Defensive ACE that can hit the long ball! Ty Lawson is the cherry on top in this trade.

 

[SacKings7]

I actually like this deal. Hate to see Thompson go but you have to give up something to get something. I also do this deal for Afflalo, Lawson is just a nice extra piece.

The only reason I don't do this deal is because Dalembert and Landry are free agents next year, and we could be lacking in the front court very soon once again

 

[Smills91]

I actually like this deal. Hate to see Thompson go but you have to give up something to get something. I also do this deal for Afflalo, Lawson is just a nice extra piece.

The only reason I don't do this deal is because Dalembert and Landry are free agents next year, and we could be lacking in the front court very soon once again

Ultimately, My solution is to go after Tyrus Thomas to replace JT's role essentially. Hustle, energy, rebounding plus Tyrus can block some shots. Looking at the NBA landscape...Defense and shooting in the backcourt is a difficult combination to find. Both Lawson and Afflalo fit well on our roster, and the opportunity cost to replace JT is easier than that of what Afflalo and Lawson bring to the table currently. With that said, JT not only is more productive than either, but he's also a big, so therefore I think the nuggets could and/or Warriors could go for this kind of deal.

 

[Bricklayer]

Afflalo is a journeyman, the sort of guy who if he was on the open market and somebody said hey, let's sign him instead of Morrow or whatever I'd shrug and say sure, why not. But I don't think we have any holes large enough to make this kind of deal with a quality frontcourt piece. I do not, and never have thought Jason was the cat's meow, but ponder for a second what his value is in a world where Amir Johnson is worth $34mil. Perhaps out of boredom, perhaps out of not understanding the advantage we've given ourself, people are trying to fix minor problems with sledgehammers, when sledgehammers probably aren't going to be called for for some time.

And I really don't see the Tyrus Thomas fascination after all this time? I have mixed feelings about him as a player, have even argued for taking a flyer on him in our frontcourt shy past, but amongst those mixed feelings are the fact that he might be the second shortest guy in our starting lineup, doesn't really want to be a PF, and has the IQ of unbuttered popcorn. He remnds me very much of the Michael Beasely discussions being had -- another undersized high pick with a dimestore 'noggin that we have frankly probably moved beyond. We all of a sudden got big, got deep, and don't need to take on erratic undersiuzed guys trying to fill a hole that isn't a hole anymore unless we tear a chunk out and self inflict one.

 

[hammystyle]

Afflalo is a journeyman, the sort of guy who if he was on the open market and somebody said hey, let's sign him instead of Morrow or whatever I'd shrug and say sure, why not. But I don't think we have any holes large enough to make this kind of deal with a quality frontcourt piece. I do not, and never have thought Jason was the cat's meow, but ponder for a second what his value is in a world where Amir Johnson is worth $34mil. Perhaps out of boredom, perhaps out of not understanding the advantage we've given ourself, people are trying to fix minor problems with sledgehammers, when sledgehammers probably aren't going to be called for for some time.

And I really don't see the Tyrus Thomas fascination after all this time? I have mixed feelings about him as a player, have even argued for taking a flyer on him in our frontcourt shy past, but amongst those mixed feelings are the fact that he might be the second shortest guy in our starting lineup, doesn't really want to be a PF, and has the IQ of unbuttered popcorn. He remnds me very much of the Michael Beasely discussions being had -- another undersized high pick with a dimestore 'noggin that we have frankly probably moved beyond. We all of a sudden got big, got deep, and don't need to take on erratic undersiuzed guys trying to fill a hole that isn't a hole anymore unless we tear a chunk out and self inflict one.

I think he's better than a journeyman. He pretty well established his credentials last year as a role playig SG who can really shoot and really defend. He's a pretty good archetype as a young Raja Bell type. However, I agree with the premise that this trade is more just trading JT for him because we can, and because we want to fix all the holes now. Let's let our depth at frontcourt actually form itself as a strength before we start dealing out of it. It will not be that hard in the coming years to find a role playing SG who can defend and shoot. Afflalo himself was gotten for nothing last year.

 

[hammystyle]

Ultimately, My solution is to go after Tyrus Thomas to replace JT's role essentially. Hustle, energy, rebounding plus Tyrus can block some shots. Looking at the NBA landscape...Defense and shooting in the backcourt is a difficult combination to find. Both Lawson and Afflalo fit well on our roster, and the opportunity cost to replace JT is easier than that of what Afflalo and Lawson bring to the table currently. With that said, JT not only is more productive than either, but he's also a big, so therefore I think the nuggets could and/or Warriors could go for this kind of deal.

Ty Thomas is gonna get a big deal. As Brick mentioned Amir Johnson just got 5/34M, what do you think Thomas is going to ask for?

 

[Smills91]

Ty Thomas is gonna get a big deal. As Brick mentioned Amir Johnson just got 5/34M, what do you think Thomas is going to ask for?

I'd say somewhere around 8 million annually give or take a million. 5 years 35-45 million range sounds about right.

I'd rather spend that on a 23 year old PF, than spend the full MLE or NEAR MLE on a guy like Morrow who's a one trick pony and a TRUE journeyman in Luke Ridnour at 3-4 million a year as the extra ball-handler.

I mean make the trade and you potentially got Lawson, Afflalo and Ty Thomas stay with the status quo and fill out the backcourt with free agents like above and you got Thompson, Ridnour and Morrow - WHOOPDEE doo. I love Jason, but let's not get TOO attached to our players here now.

Or you can make the trade, fill out the backcourt and run the status quo WITHOUT using capspace and let Ty Thomas go. Sign a value guy like Ian Mahimni instead.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

This deal is as much for the 6'5 Arron Afflalo who I've targeted as the #1 target as an ideal backcourt mate to 'Reke. I like Lawson off the bench as a change of pace PG. I think a LOT of people in this thread, not going to mention any names, are really bound to the idea that we get only height, rather than talent in the backcourt. Lawson is also a phenomenal fit next to Tyreke. What I like about this deal is it gives us NEW SKILL-SETS on our roster that are complementary and give us additional flexibility to match up and/or create mis-matches in our favor to help us win games. There's more than one way to fry a fish, and you'll have to win basketball games in a multiplicity of ways as well. Stop being so close-minded about "ONLY BIG GUARDS WILL SUFFICE" next to Tyreke syndrome. Think BIG picture here.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's got absolutely nothing to do with how tall Lawson is but the fact that Lawson would effectively be our third-string point guard in this scenario. Get rid of Beno, then sure, I can see Lawson as our backup. But barring that, I don't think acquiring Lawson would make anybody happy. Not Ty, not Beno, and do we really need that sort of stuff going on in the locker room? If we get a third string PG who is clear in his role as a third stringer it just makes things go that much more smoothly.

As far as "only big guards will suffice next to Tyreke" goes...Tyreke is a point guard. He excels with the ball in his hands. Let him distribute it, let him take it to the hole, whatever. DO NOT play him off the ball. That's not his game. So, maybe he's not the prototypical PG. Doesn't matter. He's our ball handler. And as that's the case, we need shooters and defenders next to him, not distributors - you can't put a distributor next to him because said guy isn't going to see the ball anyway. That's why I like Afflalo (his defense), and that's why I don't care for Lawson, unless Beno is gone. Play Ty next to Tyreke and one of the two is going to be standing around doing nothing on offense. And it's not going to be Tyreke. And Lawson doesn't bring enough to the table as an off guard to be considered. As a backup point, sure. But since Beno already has that covered, Lawson ends up getting wasted, and nobody ends up happy.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd say somewhere around 8 million annually give or take a million. 5 years 35-45 million range sounds about right.

I'd rather spend that on a 23 year old PF, than spend the full MLE or NEAR MLE on a guy like Morrow who's a one trick pony and a TRUE journeyman in Luke Ridnour at 3-4 million a year as the extra ball-handler.

I mean make the trade and you potentially got Lawson, Afflalo and Ty Thomas stay with the status quo and fill out the backcourt with free agents like above and you got Thompson, Ridnour and Morrow - WHOOPDEE doo. I love Jason, but let's not get TOO attached to our players here now.

Or you can make the trade, fill out the backcourt and run the status quo WITHOUT using capspace and let Ty Thomas go. Sign a value guy like Ian Mahimni instead.

I would agree with the not burning the MLE on some random guy, but largely ebcause I simply don't see the hole requiring us to burn any of these assets/money right now. I'm onboard with Mike Miller possibly, because Mike Miller is a proven high quality player. But for the other guys? I'm looking at 1 year vets or stuff like that. Barring a Miller type signign all we are really talking about is a backup SG (with 5 other guys who can play the position already on the roster) and a third string PG. These are not things you need to go off and burn assets over.

Donte 26
Omri 24
Cisco 28
Beno 28
Reke 38

Right there that would be the full 48mins at every little man position. Could a few minutes be shaved here and there? Sure. But a few also could be added, especially if the kids blossom. We really are just about fully loaded minuteswise. No need to burn an asset unless we are gettng a considerable upgrade.

 

[bajaden]

I'd say somewhere around 8 million annually give or take a million. 5 years 35-45 million range sounds about right.

I'd rather spend that on a 23 year old PF, than spend the full MLE or NEAR MLE on a guy like Morrow who's a one trick pony and a TRUE journeyman in Luke Ridnour at 3-4 million a year as the extra ball-handler.

I mean make the trade and you potentially got Lawson, Afflalo and Ty Thomas stay with the status quo and fill out the backcourt with free agents like above and you got Thompson, Ridnour and Morrow - WHOOPDEE doo. I love Jason, but let's not get TOO attached to our players here now.

Or you can make the trade, fill out the backcourt and run the status quo WITHOUT using capspace and let Ty Thomas go. Sign a value guy like Ian Mahimni instead.

Are you actually saying that you would pay Thomas 8 mil a year? What preytell has Thomas ever done to warrant that much money? I would take Morrow ten times to sunday over Thomas. Look, we finally have the center position and the PF position all settled. We have a great point guard in Tyreke. The idea now is to add to what we have. Not tear it apart. I just don't get this fascination with constantly wanting to move one piece for another. And you can keep Lawson as well. I'd rather sign Jerome Randle if I want a little guy running around out there