Kings active in trade talks?

[sdballer]

I'd go for Waiters for MT only.

I'd do that but only if there was a plan to bring in a full sized defender, passer at starting PG.

 

[KingMilz]

He isn't a chucket I've watched 90% of cavs game. He gets to the rim at will and is a very good passer who plays defense. His issues in the past was that mike brown didn't hold kyrie accountable for his actions on the defensive side of the court and that kyrie/thompson play buddy ball. Kid can play trust me a waiters/DMC pick and roll would be great.

Waiters is playing vs the lakers by the way

This, dude is a legit starter and can easily be a 6th man of the year as well

First off, NO.

Second, how exactly does a chucking SG give us a replacement for an undersized PG?

Because both are combo guards and one is 6'4 and the other is 5'9......Waiters can handle the ball with ease as a PG and do all the same things Thomas does as a PG. He can replace IT as a 6th man if we get a starting PG in the draft or something like that.

 

[sdballer]

This, dude is a legit starter and can easily be a 6th man of the year as well


Because both are combo guards and one is 6'4 and the other is 5'9......Waiters can handle the ball with ease as a PG and do all the same things Thomas does as a PG. He can replace IT as a 6th man if we get a starting PG in the draft or something like that.

I have my share of issues with IT as a starter but its one thing to say both guys do the same thing and another to actually do it. IT is an extremely efficient scorer that can at least play like a pg at times. Waiters is an inefficient scorer with good court vision for a SG. He'd be an inefficient and worse passer at the PG, compared to IT. He's a better defender but not by such a margin that you'd sacrifice the other skills.

 

[KingsCitizen]

My bet is that a lot teams including the Kings are all waiting how Rondo would play after injury. And that would be answered pretty soon. Boston is probably going to continue the fire sale.
And if we can dump Thorton, JT, a pick/Jimmer, and maybe Outlaw for Rondo and Bogans (a Bowen type of player at SG spot, could help us), we could make a lot of noise.

PG - Rondo/IT
SG - Bogans/McLemore
SF - Gay/Williams
PF - Acy/Landry
C - DMC/Gray

 

[fanop]

I have my share of issues with IT as a starter but its one thing to say both guys do the same thing and another to actually do it. IT is an extremely efficient scorer that can at least play like a pg at times. Waiters is an inefficient scorer with good court vision for a SG. He'd be an inefficient and worse passer at the PG, compared to IT. He's a better defender but not by such a margin that you'd sacrifice the other skills.

I think Waiters might be able to thrive at PG. He's more of a sg with vision, but there's been numerous sgs who have turned into pgs. I think Waiters could be a good scoring pg that will probably be an upgrade over Thomas. Move IT to the bench.

 

[ParniValjak]

My bet is that a lot teams including the Kings are all waiting how Rondo would play after injury. And that would be answered pretty soon. Boston is probably going to continue the fire sale.
And if we can dump Thorton, JT, a pick/Jimmer, and maybe Outlaw for Rondo and Bogans (a Bowen type of player at SG spot, could help us), we could make a lot of noise.

PG - Rondo/IT
SG - Bogans/McLemore
SF - Gay/Williams
PF - Acy/Landry
C - DMC/Gray

If Acy is your starting PF you are in all sorts of trouble as a franchise

 

[TheBadGuy]

MT & IT for Waiters & Jack.

 

[sdballer]

I think Waiters might be able to thrive at PG. He's more of a sg with vision, but there's been numerous sgs who have turned into pgs. I think Waiters could be a good scoring pg that will probably be an upgrade over Thomas. Move IT to the bench.

Who are some of the sg's that have excelled at pg?

 

[randymoss1881]

My bet is that a lot teams including the Kings are all waiting how Rondo would play after injury. And that would be answered pretty soon. Boston is probably going to continue the fire sale.
And if we can dump Thorton, JT, a pick/Jimmer, and maybe Outlaw for Rondo and Bogans (a Bowen type of player at SG spot, could help us), we could make a lot of noise.

PG - Rondo/IT
SG - Bogans/McLemore
SF - Gay/Williams
PF - Acy/Landry
C - DMC/Gray

Boston have lost 8 straight and Angie loves the draft so I also see them trading rondo to ensure a top 5 pick. However that proposal isn't even close to cutting it. If we did a deal it would probably be ben/DWill/isiah
Then at draft time PDA can decide if he wants to surround our core of
Rondo/gay/DMC with either a defensive big (WCS) or a shooting SG ( Harris, LaVine, Young).

 

[KingMilz]

Who are some of the sg's that have excelled at pg?

Imo only as a back up scoring PG/combo could he excel similar to Lou Williams in Philly as a starting PG god no.

 

[randymoss1881]

This article is quoting chad ford if it's true we need to unprotect the pick, send them williams/ben and call it a day.

The article says Noah is on the block as the Bulls try to dump salary and acquire assets and that the Suns could be interested.

EDIT: You simply CANNOT repost major portions of articles here without giving a link back to the site of origin and proper attribution for the writer. For that reason, I have removed most of this post. -- VF21

 

[KingMilz]

^ If we could get Noah for Williams/Mclemore + filler that would be the most beast move PDA could make. With Plumelee there I don't think the Suns needs Noah even though he's better the Suns need someone like Monroe imo a go to scorer not another defender.

 

[Hadlowe]

If Acy is your starting PF you are in all sorts of trouble as a franchise

He is undersized, and doesn't rebound as well as Thompson, but I already see better defense, better shot blocking and a better mid-range shooting stroke (ugly brick against the Pacers, notwithstanding). I don't think it's all that much of a downgrade in playing Acy over Thompson.

Ideally, neither one is your starting PF, though.

 

[John Galt]

Can we "unprotect the pick" as a trading chip for Noah? Very interesting idea - it should appeal to the Bulls. Is it allowed?

 

[Padrino]

This article is quoting chad ford if it's true we need to unprotect the pick, send them williams/ben and call it a day.

i would throw as much as i could at the bulls to grab noah. if not, i'd happily give up the necessary pieces to get heinrich, as well.

 

[Dime Dropper]

This article is quoting chad ford if it's true we need to unprotect the pick, send them williams/ben and call it a day.

No, we really don't. Unprotecting the pick is idiotic. Give them whoever they want bar Cuz and MAYBE take protection down to top 6, but if you take all the protection off and you get lucky, you're then an idiot who has traded a potential OKC core for improvement, but a limited team.

 

[Gary]

This, dude is a legit starter and can easily be a 6th man of the year as well


Because both are combo guards and one is 6'4 and the other is 5'9......Waiters can handle the ball with ease as a PG and do all the same things Thomas does as a PG. He can replace IT as a 6th man if we get a starting PG in the draft or something like that.

No way.. IT has much better PG play than Waiters. I don't even think Waiters is as good as Evans in the PG aspect and that says a lot coming from me because I don't think Evans is a good PG at all.

I wouldn't want Waiters running the PG with the starters we have. That's a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Gary]

My bet is that a lot teams including the Kings are all waiting how Rondo would play after injury. And that would be answered pretty soon. Boston is probably going to continue the fire sale.
And if we can dump Thorton, JT, a pick/Jimmer, and maybe Outlaw for Rondo and Bogans (a Bowen type of player at SG spot, could help us), we could make a lot of noise.

PG - Rondo/IT
SG - Bogans/McLemore
SF - Gay/Williams
PF - Acy/Landry
C - DMC/Gray

They're not going to be dumping Rondo for anything other than ending salaries, or perhaps salaries that end next year because of the 2015 crop of free agents are supposed to be pretty good.

 

[twslam07]

My bet is that a lot teams including the Kings are all waiting how Rondo would play after injury. And that would be answered pretty soon. Boston is probably going to continue the fire sale.
And if we can dump Thorton, JT, a pick/Jimmer, and maybe Outlaw for Rondo and Bogans (a Bowen type of player at SG spot, could help us), we could make a lot of noise.

PG - Rondo/IT
SG - Bogans/McLemore
SF - Gay/Williams
PF - Acy/Landry
C - DMC/Gray

First off, I don't see that trade happening at all. I have been working with Boston fans on other forums to try and swing a deal for Rondo (when both sides assume Rondo is at full strength). Let me tell you, I've been turned down offering much more than Thorton, Thompson, Jimmer, and Outlaw. That was basically the trade we made for Rudy Gay. However, Rudy had the reputation of negatively effecting his team by being an inefficient chucker. Rondo doesn't have those stipulations. He's won a championship. He's an all-defense PG. He's an excellent playmaker. And he's a very efficient PG (career average of 48%). You'll be hard pressed to get a player of that caliber from our scrubs.

Secondly, I don't think Rondo and Thomas can coexist on the same team. They both are valuable players and deserve minutes. However, there are only so many minutes at the PG position. Rondo has averaged over 36 mpg the past 4 seasons. That leaves 12 mpg for Thomas. That's not enough for Thomas He should be getting 26-32 mpg depending on the supporting cast. You can't play them together considering one is 5'10" 185 lbs and the other is 6'1" 185 lbs. They would get bullied by most backcourts. If we're going to keep Thomas as our elite sixth man, we need a PG who is able to swing to SG defensively. That's why Exum is so enticing in this draft to me. His strength will be a weakness against SGs, but his height and length certainly don't make him a huge liability if he had to guard SGs when Thomas and him are on the floor together.

EDIT: I also want to call out the fact that I'm not suggesting we don't trade for Rondo because he won't fit with Thomas. If we can get Rondo, you move Thomas. In no way am I saying don't go after a star because he doesn't gel with our sixth man.

 

[Tetsujin]

This, dude is a legit starter and can easily be a 6th man of the year as well


Because both are combo guards and one is 6'4 and the other is 5'9......Waiters can handle the ball with ease as a PG and do all the same things Thomas does as a PG. He can replace IT as a 6th man if we get a starting PG in the draft or something like that.

There's a reason Waiters is slowly being demoted in Mike Brown's rotation and it's not because he's awesome. His defense needs a lot of work and he isn't nearly the supernova of offensive genius that you keep making him out to be. Considering the Cavs' win now situation, don"t you think they'd be playing him if he was any good? I mean, no offense to CJ Miles, but that's CJ Miles out there who's taken his spot.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Can we "unprotect the pick" as a trading chip for Noah? Very interesting idea - it should appeal to the Bulls. Is it allowed?

Yes. I suppose the paperwork might be a bit tricky, but you can imagine they trade our "protected" pick back to us, and we trade them an unprotected pick in return (along with the other players in the deal).

 

[Gary]

No, we really don't. Unprotecting the pick is idiotic. Give them whoever they want bar Cuz and MAYBE take protection down to top 6, but if you take all the protection off and you get lucky, you're then an idiot who has traded a potential OKC core for improvement, but a limited team.

It's a gamble like anything else. If they wouldn't take anything other than unprotecting our pick then I would still seriously consider it. Noah is a player that doesn't come around very often. Usually you can get defense OR rebounding OR scoring, but you hardly ever get all three.

The way I look at it is this; if there was a guy in the draft that you knew would give you 10/11/2(blocks) and defense next season would you take him in the top 5?

 

[Gary]

Yes. I suppose the paperwork might be a bit tricky, but you can imagine they trade our "protected" pick back to us, and we trade them an unprotected pick in return (along with the other players in the deal).

I assume they might consider changing to a top 5 protected this year and then taking off the restrictions next season? I would do that. If the Kings get top 5 this year then the Kings keep the pick and then the 2015 pick (unprotected) goes to the Bulls. If the pick this year is 6+ then it goes to the Bulls this year and we keep our 2015 pick.

 

[Tetsujin]

It's a gamble like anything else. If they wouldn't take anything other than unprotecting our pick then I would still seriously consider it. Noah is a player that doesn't come around very often. Usually you can get defense OR rebounding OR scoring, but you hardly ever get all three.

The way I look at it is this; if there was a guy in the draft that you knew would give you 10/11/2(blocks) and defense next season would you take him in the top 5?

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Embiid and Vonleh could get those numbers. Hell, even WCS could accidentally score enough points for that. Maybe even Gordon

 

[Gary]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure Embiid and Vonleh could get those numbers. Hell, even WCS could accidentally score enough points for that. Maybe even Gordon

AND the defense of a seasoned veteran too? With the blocks, and rebounds?

 

[Arkitect]

A starting lineup of Gay/Cousins/Noah will get you into the playoffs. Add a lockdown defender at SG and a spot up shooter/ball handler at PG and you have a contender.

 

[Tetsujin]

AND the defense of a seasoned veteran too? With the blocks, and rebounds?

Well of course not but with one of those aforementioned players, you do get the potential for a big man tandem that could last for a good ten or so years.

I personally am on the fence about unprotecting the pick for Noah but if there ever was a year to stubbornly hold onto a lottery pick, it would be this one.

 

[Padrino]

if the kings are without a rim protector come draft day, and if they're out of range of joel embiid or one of the dynamic wings at the top of the draft, then i absolutely roll the dice on willie cauley-stein or noah vonleh. but if i've got the opportunity to trade for a proven post defender/rebounder like joakim noah right now, then i don't think twice about parting with whatever it takes to get him outside of cousins, including a removal of protections on the kings' first rounder that chicago owns...

joakim noah has played for a coach with the highest of defensive pedigrees, and who earns his players' respect with an unwavering competitive drive. the kings could use a passionate, veteran defensive captain to help get the team to fully commit to coach malone's philosophy. malone and noah are a match made in heaven, and you have to believe that he'd be more valuable to this team's playoff hopes than a rookie big who's going to struggle in adapting to the pace of the game in the nba...

that said, talents like jabari parker and andrew wiggins have the kind of ceiling that's hard to ignore. a player like dante exum could easily fill a need as a full-sized PG who distributes the ball well and defends the wing with relative consistency. but cauley-stein and vonleh are much more likely to be in the kings' draft range than embiid, parker, wiggins, and exum. if you can bring joakim noah to sacramento, then i think you have to take the chance that he will help improve the team enough in both the immediate and in the long term that removing protections on the first rounder owed to chicago won't even matter...

 

[twslam07]

It's a gamble like anything else. If they wouldn't take anything other than unprotecting our pick then I would still seriously consider it. Noah is a player that doesn't come around very often. Usually you can get defense OR rebounding OR scoring, but you hardly ever get all three.

The way I look at it is this; if there was a guy in the draft that you knew would give you 10/11/2(blocks) and defense next season would you take him in the top 5?

The way I look at it is this; if there was a guy in the draft that you knew would give you 10/11/2(blocks) and defense next season AND you had him on contract for 2.5 years at approximately 13 mil a season would you take him in the top 5?

My answer to that would be no. As good as Noah is, I think he is overpaid. In his last two years he is making 13 mil and 14 mil. That's 2nd option type money. Do you think Noah is a 2nd option on a team? I don't. He is an ultimate glue guy who can do a little bit of everything. I would rather take a flyer on Cauley-Stein than hamstring our small market team with Noah's contract. Don't get me wrong. I love him as a player and think he would be a great fit next to Cousins, but his contract makes it difficult to build a winner.

It's similar to Ibaka. He is vastly overpayed. I think it is one of the few mistakes the Thunder made. I was very surprised they decided to not extend their third star and offer a role player 12 mil year. It was ludicrous in my mind. They had their big 3 and decided an athletic shotblocker was more valuable than a star. As a Kings fan, I'm happy considering we don't have to compete against that trio in the playoffs.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Yes, I am pretty sure we can unprotect the pick as a leverage piece. I remember floating that idea around when we were all talking about Varajao a year or so ago, and I thought someone posted some sort of evidence that it would be allowed.

If Noah is really available, he would be tremendous here. Absolutely killer.