Kings active in trade talks?

[Kingster]

let's trade for Anthony Bennett

Would you trade Jimmer for him? A second round pick?

 

[bajaden]

What if Embiid goes first and the Kings pick third? What if certain players decide to stay another year?

Of course you can't ignore the possibilities of the draft, but you can't assume any particular outcome of the draft in January or February, either.

If Embiid is your only goal as a rim defender, then yes, I guess your screwed, but he's not. There is at minimum, at least two more players that could fill that capacity, and one or both should be available somewhere between 8 and 12 in the draft.

 

[LPKingsFan]

If Embiid is your only goal as a rim defender, then yes, I guess your screwed, but he's not. There is at minimum, at least two more players that could fill that capacity, and one or both should be available somewhere between 8 and 12 in the draft.

Right, but I was responding to an implication that getting a rim protector was the sole objective of the draft, or, I should say, the draft was the desired means to acquire a rim protector. And, in my hypothetical, the Kings could be picking anywhere between 2-7 and not be in the position to attain a rim protector. So, the point was, you can't just expect the draft to provide for acquiring a rim protector, you need to account for the possibility that we'd be better served drafting someone else.

 

[I~true]

I really don't know what Jimmer is worth. If he plays well on the road hold out for more...If not dump him for whatever you can get.

 

[bajaden]

While I respect this position and I do realize this is a uniquely promising draft, after decades of watching both NBA and college ball thee one truth I have learned is that very, very few "sure picks" exist. Honestly the last guy I remember watching and saying that guy is defiantly going to be big in the NBA was LBJ, which raises the question which established players would you trade a top 5 pick for? Being a Karl Popper skeptic, I still hold that smart trades and FA acquisitions are the best way to dependably build a team, while the draft is a higher risk higher reward path (perfect for teams in complete rebuild)

I would be surprised if we are NOT in the running for a top 8 pick, but I am also convinced that we are 2-3 ROLL PLAYERS away from being a top contender so our needs may be better met at the trade table than with ping-pong balls.

I think it has to be a combination of trades, draft, and freeagency. One doesn't have to be at the exclusion of the other. But lets remember, every player you might want to trade for, or sign in freeagency, came into this league via the draft. They were all drafted, so anyone that thinks the draft can't be a way, or at least part of the way to rebuild a team is just crazy. If you take a look at the Thunder. Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and at one time, Harden, were all drafted by the Thunder. The best way to acquire a major star, is to draft one, because they don't move around much, and if so, their very expensive, if, they want to come to your team. Were dammed lucky we drafted Cousins, because that's the only way we would have gotten him. In the last 6 or so years, the two best players on our team were both drafted by us, Tyreke and Cousins, and in an indirect way, Tyreke netted us Gay, at least partially.

 

[bajaden]

Right, but I was responding to an implication that getting a rim protector was the sole objective of the draft, or, I should say, the draft was the desired means to acquire a rim protector. And, in my hypothetical, the Kings could be picking anywhere between 2-7 and not be in the position to attain a rim protector. So, the point was, you can't just expect the draft to provide for acquiring a rim protector, you need to account for the possibility that we'd be better served drafting someone else.

I understand exactly what you mean't, but my response is that there will be a rim protector in that area, therefore its a reasonable expectation.

 

[Glenn]

Right, but I was responding to an implication that getting a rim protector was the sole objective of the draft, or, I should say, the draft was the desired means to acquire a rim protector. And, in my hypothetical, the Kings could be picking anywhere between 2-7 and not be in the position to attain a rim protector. So, the point was, you can't just expect the draft to provide for acquiring a rim protector, you need to account for the possibility that we'd be better served drafting someone else.

If the Kings pick between 2 and 7 they will be in a position to get a defensive big to pair with Cuz. It's been said several times. You don't have to believe it. There is essentially no way that the Kings will be so out of position that they can't get this type of player unless they go on an unprecedented hot streak to finish out the season.

 

[LPKingsFan]

I'm not sure why I'm pushing this, but you guys would take Cauley-Stein over Exum then, based on need?

 

[sdballer]

I'm not sure why I'm pushing this, but you guys would take Cauley-Stein over Exum then, based on need?

Of course not. Exum fills a need as well and is the superior BPA

 

[whozit]

I really don't know what Jimmer is worth. If he plays well on the road hold out for more...If not dump him for whatever you can get.

Nice. You don't know what he's worth so you'll dump him for anything you can get.

He's coming along and at the moment is filling a role. That is something which is better than just anything. If a trade comes along that benefits the Kings, by all means do it otherwise?

 

[Glenn]

I'm not sure why I'm pushing this, but you guys would take Cauley-Stein over Exum then, based on need?

Probably not if not hell no. Exum is unique as a pg and we still need one of those. The discussion began, as far as I am concerned, because people wanted to trade for a big defender. As the big defender is all but guaranteed in the draft, I still hold that position even if we end up getting Exum. If we trade for a big guy, we have shut the door on needing Embiid, WCS, or Vonleh. It doesn't absolutely slam the door but I don't think we would then need two defensive minded big men.

My trade ideas have always been effected by what could be acquired much less expensively in the draft. Big guys are expensive unless they are on their rookie contracts.

I can't predict the future but think the approach I want to take increases the chance of getting what we need efficiently (cheaply).

 

[pshn80]

Is this a good discussion of those available in this year's draft? Don't answer, I'm not sincere in my interest. I usually wait until the season is over. Oh, what? You're not interested in my ways? Oh, well.

 

[ParniValjak]

We are all talking about the rip protector and how we desperately need one. I am not for a second disputing this. However, I am yet to get any indication that our front office is of the same opinion. The players that we seem to be connected to in terms of rumors are all back court type players. Rondo, Miller, Shumpet etc.. A couple of PG, a couple of perimeter defenders but no interior defensive anchor what so ever.

Its pretty obvious that our front office is active in discussions with other team but no report suggests that we are even looking at a shot blocker.

 

[Glenn]

Is this a good discussion of those available in this year's draft? Don't answer, I'm not sincere in my interest. I usually wait until the season is over. Oh, what? You're not interested in my ways? Oh, well.

This latest conversation had to do with why a big shouldn't be traded for in the next month. I realize you don't have an interest in reading long notes but at least be fair and shut up if you don't understand the discussion which clearly you do not. We put up with about 15 identical posts of yours yesterday or whenever it was and never came compaining to you.

 

[Glenn]

We are all talking about the rip protector and how we desperately need one. I am not for a second disputing this. However, I am yet to get any indication that our front office is of the same opinion. The players that we seem to be connected to in terms of rumors are all back court type players. Rondo, Miller, Shumpet etc.. A couple of PG, a couple of perimeter defenders but no interior defensive anchor what so ever.

Its pretty obvious that our front office is active in discussions with other team but no report suggests that we are even looking at a shot blocker.

I wonder why.

 

[I~true]

Nice. You don't know what he's worth so you'll dump him for anything you can get.

He's coming along and at the moment is filling a role. That is something which is better than just anything. If a trade comes along that benefits the Kings, by all means do it otherwise?

Based on the road trip we shall see.

 

[pshn80]

This latest conversation had to do with why a big shouldn't be traded for in the next month. I realize you don't have an interest in reading long notes but at least be fair and shut up if you don't understand the discussion which clearly you do not. We put up with about 15 identical posts of yours yesterday or whenever it was and never came compaining to you.

Thanks, sometimes I just can't control myself. 'Ll stay in the corner until after dinner

 

[HndsmCelt]

I think it has to be a combination of trades, draft, and freeagency. One doesn't have to be at the exclusion of the other. But lets remember, every player you might want to trade for, or sign in freeagency, came into this league via the draft. They were all drafted, so anyone that thinks the draft can't be a way, or at least part of the way to rebuild a team is just crazy. If you take a look at the Thunder. Durant, Westbrook, Ibaka, and at one time, Harden, were all drafted by the Thunder. The best way to acquire a major star, is to draft one, because they don't move around much, and if so, their very expensive, if, they want to come to your team. Were dammed lucky we drafted Cousins, because that's the only way we would have gotten him. In the last 6 or so years, the two best players on our team were both drafted by us, Tyreke and Cousins, and in an indirect way, Tyreke netted us Gay, at least partially.

As you know neither Ben Wallace or Brad Miller cam into the NBA via the draft (nor did Jeremy Lin for that matter) And yes I understand that these aberrations, I only bring them up to nit pick No doubt we are where we are now due to the draft (and trading drafed players), and I do value the draft as a starting point. As I said I still see us getting a top 8 pick this season, but until the draft is a lot closer at hand I don't think we can say for sure if that pick will bee worth taking a calculated risk or trading for a needed piece. At heart you are right that getting the pieces that will get us over the hump will take a combination of draft/trade and FA but we are no longer in thee position of NEEDING a top 5 pick to get out of the NBA cellar.

 

[bajaden]

I'm not sure why I'm pushing this, but you guys would take Cauley-Stein over Exum then, based on need?

Of course not. You implication is that the Kings won't have a chance to draft Embiid where they'll be picking. No one disagrees with that likelyhood. What were saying is that there are other shot blockers available after Embiid is gone. He may be the best, but he's not the only one. Cauley-Stein and Vonleh are both going to be good defensive players and shot blockers.

 

[bajaden]

As you know neither Ben Wallace or Brad Miller cam into the NBA via the draft (nor did Jeremy Lin for that matter) And yes I understand that these aberrations, I only bring them up to nit pick No doubt we are where we are now due to the draft (and trading drafed players), and I do value the draft as a starting point. As I said I still see us getting a top 8 pick this season, but until the draft is a lot closer at hand I don't think we can say for sure if that pick will bee worth taking a calculated risk or trading for a needed piece. At heart you are right that getting the pieces that will get us over the hump will take a combination of draft/trade and FA but we are no longer in thee position of NEEDING a top 5 pick to get out of the NBA cellar.

That may or may not be true, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a top five pick. I also don't see a draft pick as a calculated risk. It costs you little in the grand scheme of things, and if you strike gold, you have a very good player at very little expense for four years.

 

[HndsmCelt]

That may or may not be true, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a top five pick. I also don't see a draft pick as a calculated risk. It costs you little in the grand scheme of things, and if you strike gold, you have a very good player at very little expense for four years.

You are right that draft picks are low risk in terms of money but they carry a double opportunity cost. first you loose the opportunity to trade said pick for a player who's ability IN the NBA is a known thing. Secondly you can only carry 15 players and can only play 12. While there is always some dead weight it usually comes from old bad contracts, in the end any player you have at 15 is taking a seat you could put someone else in (yes you can waive players but again that costs money) I LOVE the draft for prospecting and rebuilding but to fill specific needs on an already talented roster trades and FA's are much more of sure thing.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

How can we get John Henson from the Bucks? He's becoming such a force in his second year in the NBA on the defensive end of the court and they still bench him. I'm sure he's quite unsettled over there and they already have a rim protector in Sanders. I feel like Henson has a lot more up in the near future. He's already averaging 2.3+ blocks per game this season and only .7 last season so he's become a formidable post defender. When he gets the minutes, he rebounds extremely well and blocks out just as well. He's a great hustler and can score on the offensive end. His defensive game reminds me of Josh Smith. I think they have a couple gems over there in Milwaukee

 

[Tetsujin]

How can we get John Henson from the Bucks? He's becoming such a force in his second year in the NBA on the defensive end of the court and they still bench him. I'm sure he's quite unsettled over there and they already have a rim protector in Sanders. I feel like Henson has a lot more up in the near future. He's already averaging 2.3+ blocks per game this season and only .7 last season so he's become a formidable post defender. When he gets the minutes, he rebounds extremely well and blocks out just as well. He's a great hustler and can score on the offensive end. His defensive game reminds me of Josh Smith. I think they have a couple gems over there in Milwaukee

He's a great weak side defender but not exactly a great post defender thanks to his lankiness and lack of bulk (hence the 7-29 record). It's fairly obvious that if the Bucks are going to trade one of their shotblockers, it would be Sanders as he is sorta turning into the kind of headache that can potentially derail a young team going forward. And Henson wasn't benched, he sprained his ankle. The situation in Milwaukee is fairly interesting in that they are ridiculously high on Antetokounmpo right now so it's fun trying to get in the mind of their front office in terms of the team they're trying to build. Of course, most of this is dependent on what position Giannis ultimately settles into in the NBA. As the current favorites in the are for the number one pick, the Bucks are faced with the issue that two of the big potential numb rome players currently play the same position as Giannis does. As of now, their team (only counting their relevant players) going forward sort of resembles the following

C: Sanders
PF: Henson
SF: Antetokounmpo
SG: Mayo/Neal
PG: Knight/Wolters

As currently constructed, the Bucks are probably better suited for a defense-tilted emphasis but their entire guard rotation kind of suggests otherwise, Garl Neal probably being the best defender of the bunch. The interesting thing herein is what the Bucks do with their lottery pick. Assuming nothing crazy happens, the Bucks will wind up with a top four pick and the players largely associated with that range are either small forwards or big men, roles that are filled with the few "key" pieces the Bucks do have. If the Bucks wind up picking Wiggins or Parker, what do they do with Giannis? If they pick Randle or Embiid, what do they do with their current crop of big men? Of course, there's always that third option in which the front office "reaches" for Exum to shore up their backcourt, in which case most of their current group of prospects going forward stay intact.

But if the Bucks do pick a big man (or even if they pick a SF and decide to make an attempt to move Antetokounmpo up to the 4), that leaves one of their big men ripe for the picking (this would most likely have to be Henson as no sane team would take Sanders contract in June). With all that said, Sanders is probably available and if Embiid keeps impressing and the Bucks keep sucking, he can probably had for an increasingly low cost. The question just becomes "Is he worth the risk?"

 

[KingMilz]

The question just becomes "Is he worth the risk?"

Same question was asked about Cousins when he was playing with a terrible coach and a terrible team now that he's got a decent coach and decent talent it's gone from we should not have given him a max deal to it's a bargin. Sanders has the same kind of fire as Cousins while being the complete opposite as a player in the sense he's a elite defender.

None of these Sanders problems were that big a deal when the Bucks team was respectable and a Keith Smart level coach took his playing time to give to Zaza which is idiotic. I would love Sanders on the Kings him and Cousins would be the best PF/C combo in the NBA. Young, competitve and elite on defense = worth the risk.

I also reckon Sanders can get better on offence he's got sneaky good handle just does not use it enough and with his springs is a excellent garbage man finishing around that rim.

 

[Tetsujin]

Same question was asked about Cousins when he was playing with a terrible coach and a terrible team now that he's got a decent coach and decent talent it's gone from we should not have given him a max deal to it's a bargin. Sanders has the same kind of fire as Cousins while being the complete opposite as a player in the sense he's a elite defender.

None of these Sanders problems were that big a deal when the Bucks team was respectable and a Keith Smart level coach took his playing time to give to Zaza which is idiotic. I would love Sanders on the Kings him and Cousins would be the best PF/C combo in the NBA. Young, competitve and elite on defense = worth the risk.

Most of Demarcus's issues were basketball-related issues (coaching, refs, Spurs TV analysts). Sanders has actually caused himself to miss a good chunk of the season by breaking his hand in a barfight, something Demarcus has never even come close to doing. If we did the move and got the Larry Sanders from last season or better, then we'd win the trade. But if we traded for him and got this year's Sanders, it'd be a definite loss that would affect our franchise for years thanks to his large contract.

NOTE: I've actually been in favor of a Sanders trade for a while but there are clearly issues that make such a move rather contentious.

 

[sdballer]

Same question was asked about Cousins when he was playing with a terrible coach and a terrible team now that he's got a decent coach and decent talent it's gone from we should not have given him a max deal to it's a bargin. Sanders has the same kind of fire as Cousins while being the complete opposite as a player in the sense he's a elite defender.

None of these Sanders problems were that big a deal when the Bucks team was respectable and a Keith Smart level coach took his playing time to give to Zaza which is idiotic. I would love Sanders on the Kings him and Cousins would be the best PF/C combo in the NBA. Young, competitve and elite on defense = worth the risk.

I also reckon Sanders can get better on offence he's got sneaky good handle just does not use it enough and with his springs is a excellent garbage man finishing around that rim.

I think the major difference is that Cousin's issues seem to be about on-court maturity, especially when he's losing. Sanders has repeatedly been called out by teammates for effort and has had problems off the court as well. Usually, I'm willing to overlook "attitude" issues as they tend to get overblown by the media but Sanders makes me nervous and his current performance after receiving a big contract isn't helping.

 

[sdballer]

Most of Demarcus's issues were basketball-related issues (coaching, refs, Spurs TV analysts). Sanders has actually caused himself to miss a good chunk of the season by breaking his hand in a barfight, something Demarcus has never even come close to doing. If we did the read and got the Larry Sanders from last season or better, then we'd win the trade. But if we traded for him and got this year's Sanders, it'd be a definite loss that would effect our franchise for years thanks to his large contract.

What he said. He has 4 years left after this one at $11M/year. It's hard to even come up with a trade that doesn't carry significant risk for us.

 

[randymoss1881]

I think we should pray Embiid goes to the bucks. In that case I can see them going for a simple offer of
JT/our 1st (hopefully picking 7-10). That way they would be able to get a pg or sg with our pick and get rid of his contract while getting the best player in the draft.

The warriors defense sky rocketed last year when Bogot got back I think we would do the same with sanders. Sander also would free up more shot for DMC/gay

 

[sdballer]

I think we should pray Embiid goes to the bucks. In that case I can see them going for a simple offer of
JT/our 1st (hopefully picking 7-10). That way they would be able to get a pg or sg with our pick and get rid of his contract while getting the best player in the draft.

The warriors defense sky rocketed last year when Bogot got back I think we would do the same with sanders. Sander also would free up more shot for DMC/gay

I'd rather have wcs than sanders at his contract (provided he doesn't turn things around).

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

He's a great weak side defender but not exactly a great post defender thanks to his lankiness and lack of bulk (hence the 7-29 record). It's fairly obvious that if the Bucks are going to trade one of their shotblockers, it would be Sanders as he is sorta turning into the kind of headache that can potentially derail a young team going forward. And Henson wasn't benched, he sprained his ankle. The situation in Milwaukee is fairly interesting in that they are ridiculously high on Antetokounmpo right now so it's fun trying to get in the mind of their front office in terms of the team they're trying to build. Of course, most of this is dependent on what position Giannis ultimately settles into in the NBA. As the current favorites in the are for the number one pick, the Bucks are faced with the issue that two of the big potential numb rome players currently play the same position as Giannis does. As of now, their team (only counting their relevant players) going forward sort of resembles the following

C: Sanders
PF: Henson
SF: Antetokounmpo
SG: Mayo/Neal
PG: Knight/Wolters

As currently constructed, the Bucks are probably better suited for a defense-tilted emphasis but their entire guard rotation kind of suggests otherwise, Garl Neal probably being the best defender of the bunch. The interesting thing herein is what the Bucks do with their lottery pick. Assuming nothing crazy happens, the Bucks will wind up with a top four pick and the players largely associated with that range are either small forwards or big men, roles that are filled with the few "key" pieces the Bucks do have. If the Bucks wind up picking Wiggins or Parker, what do they do with Giannis? If they pick Randle or Embiid, what do they do with their current crop of big men? Of course, there's always that third option in which the front office "reaches" for Exum to shore up their backcourt, in which case most of their current group of prospects going forward stay intact.

But if the Bucks do pick a big man (or even if they pick a SF and decide to make an attempt to move Antetokounmpo up to the 4), that leaves one of their big men ripe for the picking (this would most likely have to be Henson as no sane team would take Sanders contract in June). With all that said, Sanders is probably available and if Embiid keeps impressing and the Bucks keep sucking, he can probably had for an increasingly low cost. The question just becomes "Is he worth the risk?"

Great analysis! Appreciate it