Coaching Options
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I picked Flip, just to prove the point that I would pretty much take anyone over Adelman. Even though there are good sides to Adelman's coaching, there are four glaring weaknesses of his that keep costing the team the success in poststeason:
1) Team plays no D, none whatsoever. I don't care how much talent the team has on defensive end, they can help each other and they have to be a lot tougher, and they can be if they put any sort of emphasis at making stops ... but they don't ... He just cannot figure out a way to take a hot player out of a game...
2) Teams keep blowing big leads. Reason for that is probably #1
3) Poor time-out pattern, also #2
4) Poor rotation choices. It takes him about half a season to figure out that Evans can play some basketball, and even then he avoids using him in the playoffs even though he clearly provides more for the team than the other selfish dude. Also, see G. Wallace and H. Turkoglu. Short rotations hurt us many many many times.
I love the offense that Sacramento plays, but we need some more toughness on this team, and perhaps with the personel change there should be a coaching change as well.
1) Team plays no D, none whatsoever. I don't care how much talent the team has on defensive end, they can help each other and they have to be a lot tougher, and they can be if they put any sort of emphasis at making stops ... but they don't ... He just cannot figure out a way to take a hot player out of a game...
2) Teams keep blowing big leads. Reason for that is probably #1
3) Poor time-out pattern, also #2
4) Poor rotation choices. It takes him about half a season to figure out that Evans can play some basketball, and even then he avoids using him in the playoffs even though he clearly provides more for the team than the other selfish dude. Also, see G. Wallace and H. Turkoglu. Short rotations hurt us many many many times.
I love the offense that Sacramento plays, but we need some more toughness on this team, and perhaps with the personel change there should be a coaching change as well.
Adelman's a very good coach, but there's nothing there should stop this team from going for a truly great coach. That's why I think it would be a very good idea for Petrie to look into getting Phil.
As for thouse saying the Kings aren't talented enough for PJ since he's always coached great teams? That's not a bad argument. However, look at the competition for PJ's services: the Lakers, the Knicks, the Blazers, the Wolves, and maybe the Cavs. None of those teams made the playoffs and I think it's a good assumption to say the Kings still have more talent along with a more promising future than any of those teams. Compared to that list, Sactown suddenly isn't that bad of a option if the guy still wants to coach. The questions that remain are is this something the Maloofs and Petrie really want to do and is PJ willing to come to a talented playoff that is not yet a contender, or would he rather sit out some more and wait for future options?
As for if this is something Petrie and the Maloofs would do, I would have to say yes if Petrie really is the cold, blooded GM who would do anything to improve the team. I like Adelman, he's done a great job with this team, this may be his best job by getting this team to the playoffs. I resent people trying to blame the playoff loss on him. I also hate Poison, but she's not wrong about everything. The Kings would've won a title had the refs not jobbed them in game 6, had them made some free throws in game 7, and possibly if Webb's knee hadn't buckled in Dallas.
However, times change and changes are definately needed this summer. Adelman has always been a very offensive minded coach, but offense never wins in the end. The team defense is horrible. The team needs some defensive players and an overall defensive philosophy. Since the team is already in a rebuilding/retooling mode,there is no better time than now to make a run at Phil. Petrie could swing a few trades, take a look at KG (who knows); basically bring in some size and rebounding while keeping at least 2 of the big 3 in Mike, Peja, and Brad (preferably Mike stays at almost any cost).
I think it really could be one of the best things to happen to this franchise. Phil didn't get 9 rings by accident, he might be the missing element to help eventually put this team over the top.
As for thouse saying the Kings aren't talented enough for PJ since he's always coached great teams? That's not a bad argument. However, look at the competition for PJ's services: the Lakers, the Knicks, the Blazers, the Wolves, and maybe the Cavs. None of those teams made the playoffs and I think it's a good assumption to say the Kings still have more talent along with a more promising future than any of those teams. Compared to that list, Sactown suddenly isn't that bad of a option if the guy still wants to coach. The questions that remain are is this something the Maloofs and Petrie really want to do and is PJ willing to come to a talented playoff that is not yet a contender, or would he rather sit out some more and wait for future options?
As for if this is something Petrie and the Maloofs would do, I would have to say yes if Petrie really is the cold, blooded GM who would do anything to improve the team. I like Adelman, he's done a great job with this team, this may be his best job by getting this team to the playoffs. I resent people trying to blame the playoff loss on him. I also hate Poison, but she's not wrong about everything. The Kings would've won a title had the refs not jobbed them in game 6, had them made some free throws in game 7, and possibly if Webb's knee hadn't buckled in Dallas.
However, times change and changes are definately needed this summer. Adelman has always been a very offensive minded coach, but offense never wins in the end. The team defense is horrible. The team needs some defensive players and an overall defensive philosophy. Since the team is already in a rebuilding/retooling mode,there is no better time than now to make a run at Phil. Petrie could swing a few trades, take a look at KG (who knows); basically bring in some size and rebounding while keeping at least 2 of the big 3 in Mike, Peja, and Brad (preferably Mike stays at almost any cost).
I think it really could be one of the best things to happen to this franchise. Phil didn't get 9 rings by accident, he might be the missing element to help eventually put this team over the top.
KingCookie
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Uh, I think we need a G3 option. Just sayin'.
NewEraKings05
G-League
If PJ wants a Superstar then Petrie should get LeBron then all will be perfect in Sactown.
KingCookie
Bench
OK, I broke down and voted for Larry Brown.
Why is Bill Lambier even listed? WTF????
Why is Bill Lambier even listed? WTF????
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Fillmoe
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LB!!!!!!!! but if rick does go, im almost positive he would end up in minnesota!
mikebibby1034
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well i like rick, but im going to have to go with Larry Brown becuase maybe if he was our coach we could actually play some DEFENCE....
AleksandarN
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KingCookie said:
Because Bill Lambier is a good coach. He has already won a championship in the WNBA with Detriot also how his badboy toughness would spread to the team.
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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Larry Brown... We gave Ricks offensive system a shot and for the most part it worked but now times are changing and its very hard to win with just an offense. With Larry he would bring the deffensive mindset to the team and would hopefully scout defensive players and turn us into a detroit.
ultraman206
G-League
He needs to dress better too. Go shopping with Peja. Euro style!gat said:
Padrino
All-Star
Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
is that really what you want?! do ya really want the kings to all of a sudden become the detroit pistons? i love the kings because they're the sacramento kings. they play kings basketball, not pistons basketball.
at any rate, it dont matter what coach ya bring in...yer not gonna be able to magically transform offensive-minded players into defensive-minded players. it just aint gonna happen.
Diabeticwonder
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ultraman206 said:
Are you saying that those Patrick James suits that Rick wears and pimps aren't that nice?
Bricklayer
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Folsom Al said:
In case we want to replace Rick with a washed up 70yr old who at his best had a very similar rep/style to Rick's?
loopymitch
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I say we keep Rick but if we had to get another coach it's gotta be Jackson. He knows how win championships.
Folsom Al
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Is That Right ???
I never really followed his career as a coach ... just know he's been around A LONG TIME and has BEEN AROUND THE LEAGUE (lotta different teams) .... I remember him as a player as well.
I wouldn't want him here in SAC ....
Heck, he's still a young pup ... compared to Pete !!!
Bricklayer said:
I never really followed his career as a coach ... just know he's been around A LONG TIME and has BEEN AROUND THE LEAGUE (lotta different teams) .... I remember him as a player as well.
I wouldn't want him here in SAC ....
Heck, he's still a young pup ... compared to Pete !!!
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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Padrino said:
Who doesnt like "Kings Basketball"? But it will NOT win us a champioship and I know the players, fans and owners wont play "Kings Basketball" when they could play "Detroit Basketball" (Which I havent heared of, unless you are referring to defense and in that case SA plays good Detroit Basketball as well) and have a shot at the title again. Thinks need to change, and maybe we need to test new things out like new schemes, etc.
Also... I never said anything about transforming our current players into defensive players... obviously we would need to get different players that focus on defense which may mean trading some players away. I think we need to hold on to Bibby and Peja and possibly Miller if he can come back at 100% and his old self. Peja's defense is getting significantly better so we may want to keep him (if he wants to stay) and miller and dump Bibby.
Now I hope you are smart enough to understand that Im not saying "Lets go trade Bibby and play 'detroit' basketball" because I think most understand what im saying. We need a defensive unit like SA or DET. And believe me... it DOES matter what coach you have because they can change a team because if they couldnt... then it wouldnt matter who coached the team, as long as they were good.
If the Kings pick up and trade for defensive players and become a very very good defensive team like SA or DET then they will still be the Sacramento Kings. This is a era of Kings Basketball that is now over. No longer will we say "Kings Basketball" and refer to wonderfull passing from bigmen with lights out shooting from our guards and a team that can put up 110-120+ a night. If thats what you still want then you may need to find another team because I know the Maloofs understand that this style just wont cut it anymore.
I hope you understand what Im trying to say and dont mix it up.
Kingaholic
G-League
The answer is simple. Bring back Gary St. Gean (Sp?)
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AleksandarN
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Kingaholic said:The answer is simple. Bring back Gary St. Gean (Sp?)
Not as the coach maybe bring him as a player personal and assistant to GP
Padrino
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Bibby_Is_Clutch said:
eh...i could do w/o your patronizing tone. and yes, you did say something about turning our players into defensive minded players. you said, and i quote "With Larry he would bring the deffensive mindset to the team." now, correct me if i'm wrong, but bringing a "defensive mindset" would be the same as trying to turn the players we have into defensive minded players. also, your misusing the terms "kings basketball" and "detroit basketball." when i say kings basketball, i mean the style of basketball the kings play. and when i say detroit basketball, i mean the style of basketball detroit plays. its not complicated. dont read into it so much. san antonio doesnt play detroit basketball, they play san antonio basketball. each team has their own system which the players buy into. thats, in part, credited to the head coach, but not entirely. in order to get a "defensive unit" like in SA or detroit, you have to give up bibby, you have to give up miller, you have to give up peja, and essentially everybody else, because those are not defensive minded players. i aint sayin that a new coach is gonna change all that, and i aint sayin that a new coach wouldnt be able to. all i'm sayin is that bringin larry brown in is not going to guarantee the kings any kind of playoff positioning. with a team in such a state of disarray as the kings, you'd be just as well off with rudy t, flip saunders, or even phil jackson. the kings front office should worry about the roster before they worry about the coach. you needn't try so hard to twist my words around....ok?
TIME OUT...
The whole "If you're smart enough" stuff AND the "patronizing tone" responses stops now. Period.
This board is not about members sniping at each other. It's about discussions of basketball civilly with mutual respect for each other's opinions.
I hope MY words - as a moderator of this board - are sufficiently clear to prevent future problems.
And for the record, this isn't just about the two posters in this thread. For some reason, people seem to be sniping at each other more and more. It needs to stop.
The whole "If you're smart enough" stuff AND the "patronizing tone" responses stops now. Period.
This board is not about members sniping at each other. It's about discussions of basketball civilly with mutual respect for each other's opinions.
I hope MY words - as a moderator of this board - are sufficiently clear to prevent future problems.
And for the record, this isn't just about the two posters in this thread. For some reason, people seem to be sniping at each other more and more. It needs to stop.
Bibby_Is_Clutch
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Padrino said:
Ok. But I still dont understand what you are saying. You said Detroit basketball is their style... well... isnt their style focused solely on defense just like Kings basketball is focues on offense. Im not saying getting Larry would guarantee us a spot in the playoffs but I am saying that by him coming here and changing (whether it be bringing in a whole new unit or keeping some peices and replaces others to form a better defensive team like DET) our team into a defensive team like SA or DET who are easily #1 and #2 in the league for defense would give us a better shot at making the playoffs and moving on. Defense wins championships and both SA and DET play team defense and win. Im not saying we are goign to become SA or DET because it just isnt that easy but over team with a defensive minded coach we can make it happen.
Rick has been succesfull but his time is up. We have had plenty of different players over the years and Rick has done well with making them good offensive players and bringing out the scoring and passing in them. What Im saying is that we need to get a coach who is focused in on defense. Rick is focused on offense. I think they need to focus on the coach more because his style obviously isnt working and weve had some of the best offensive units in the league if not the best for several years and certainly the best in Kings history. I like Rick and if we cant get phil or larry I would rather stick with Rick but I think we need a change and that starts with the coach.
Kings Basketball = Offense
Detroit Basketball = Defense
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