[Game] 38/82: Kings @ Celtics 10 JAN 2025, 4:30pm PT/7:30pm ET
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I'm still in disbelief that the Kings dominated Boston, with their entire roster healthy and making them look like a pretty average team. They had no answer throughout the game. I was laughing (insert Monk smile) when Tatum shook his head in disgust a few times.
The game wasn't a fluke, a luck even with Fox missing., just an utter dominance.
The game wasn't a fluke, a luck even with Fox missing., just an utter dominance.
Funny I just realized 2 of the guys you mentioned are more guards:
Considering Carter played back-up point and is another great on ball defender. I think we have the following in their best position:
Point: Fox, Monk, Carter, McLaughlin
2 Guard: Ellis, Huerter, Jones
3: Murray, Crowder
4: Lyles
5: Sabonis, Len
I didn’t place DeRozan because I wasn’t sure to put him at 2 or 3. But damn is this team unbalanced. The fact we could lose Fox and are arguably playing better is just further testament to the unbalanced nature of this team.
Considering Carter played back-up point and is another great on ball defender. I think we have the following in their best position:
Point: Fox, Monk, Carter, McLaughlin
2 Guard: Ellis, Huerter, Jones
3: Murray, Crowder
4: Lyles
5: Sabonis, Len
I didn’t place DeRozan because I wasn’t sure to put him at 2 or 3. But damn is this team unbalanced. The fact we could lose Fox and are arguably playing better is just further testament to the unbalanced nature of this team.
no a bad net rating means an inconsistent defender. I’m not going to say Fox can’t play better defense because he can but 8 seasons with the Kings across multiple coaches is pretty telling.
here are the Kings defensive net ratings
Carter: 102.3
Ellis: 107.4
Murray: 109.4
Lyles: 109.7
Monk:110.1
Sabonis: 110.2
Huerter: 111.5
Fox: 111.8
DeRozan: 112.1
And to follow up your point here are the last 7 games:
Lyles: 99.7
Carter: 102.3
Ellis: 103.3
Murray: 105.9
Monk: 106.7
Sabonis: 107.6
DeRozan: 107.8
Huerter: 111.2
Fox: 111.9
Fox’s 36 minutes comes at the expense of minutes for Carter and Ellis and makes us worse defensively. Even if you play them all at once you are forcing Ellis and Carter to step up a player in size and that still makes us worse defensively.
This team needs one less guard and one more rotation forward in the worst way.
here are the Kings defensive net ratings
Carter: 102.3
Ellis: 107.4
Murray: 109.4
Lyles: 109.7
Monk:110.1
Sabonis: 110.2
Huerter: 111.5
Fox: 111.8
DeRozan: 112.1
And to follow up your point here are the last 7 games:
Lyles: 99.7
Carter: 102.3
Ellis: 103.3
Murray: 105.9
Monk: 106.7
Sabonis: 107.6
DeRozan: 107.8
Huerter: 111.2
Fox: 111.9
Fox’s 36 minutes comes at the expense of minutes for Carter and Ellis and makes us worse defensively. Even if you play them all at once you are forcing Ellis and Carter to step up a player in size and that still makes us worse defensively.
This team needs one less guard and one more rotation forward in the worst way.
The game was so fun I watched it again.
Look at this shooting to begin the tied 4th quarter:
Carter - two consecutive 3 point bombs to start the barrage. He's playing the Champions in Boston, the game is tied going into the 4th qtr and he's jacking it up like he's playing at the local YMCA. This kid has some balls.
Sabonis - he continues to make big 3 point shots at important times in the game. These 3 point shots are like 4 point shots because it opens up the entire floor for everyone else. Every time he makes these I think it's a Sabonis 4-point play.
Murray - 2 bombs. No hesitation anymore. He has his hands ready to catch and shoot and he *wants* the ball. The "smile" is back.
DDR - had 2 bombs in the 4th, which is not what you normally expect in the DDR game, but I'm not complaining.
The ONLY miss from the 3-point line in the entire 4th quarter was Carter's heat check. We'll forgive him this one time.
Look at this shooting to begin the tied 4th quarter:
Carter - two consecutive 3 point bombs to start the barrage. He's playing the Champions in Boston, the game is tied going into the 4th qtr and he's jacking it up like he's playing at the local YMCA. This kid has some balls.
Sabonis - he continues to make big 3 point shots at important times in the game. These 3 point shots are like 4 point shots because it opens up the entire floor for everyone else. Every time he makes these I think it's a Sabonis 4-point play.
Murray - 2 bombs. No hesitation anymore. He has his hands ready to catch and shoot and he *wants* the ball. The "smile" is back.
DDR - had 2 bombs in the 4th, which is not what you normally expect in the DDR game, but I'm not complaining.
The ONLY miss from the 3-point line in the entire 4th quarter was Carter's heat check. We'll forgive him this one time.
On the flip side he came to join a team he thought he could contribute towards contention, the Raptors are tied for 2nd most losses in the league.
Remember when we were pursuing him we all thought it would hinge on his team winning the EuroLeague championship and they fell short in the final in a one possession game. He comes to a young team that just finished 3rd in the West, gets frozen out of the lineup (apparently after being promised a role/chance by Brown and Monte) and then shipped to a team that just sold off its two best players the year before and is in a total rebuild while his old team desperately wants him back.
I criticized him for quitting but between EuroLeague and the Greek League Olympiacos is 26-7 while the Raptors are 8-30 and first and second with only a game separating them from their rivals in each. With the benefit of hindsight his decision to return back is a fairly easy call.
Remember when we were pursuing him we all thought it would hinge on his team winning the EuroLeague championship and they fell short in the final in a one possession game. He comes to a young team that just finished 3rd in the West, gets frozen out of the lineup (apparently after being promised a role/chance by Brown and Monte) and then shipped to a team that just sold off its two best players the year before and is in a total rebuild while his old team desperately wants him back.
I criticized him for quitting but between EuroLeague and the Greek League Olympiacos is 26-7 while the Raptors are 8-30 and first and second with only a game separating them from their rivals in each. With the benefit of hindsight his decision to return back is a fairly easy call.
There's a reason a lot of people think we're not even serious about such a move. I wouldn't be surprised if we moved on after draft night.
With Fox back we're at 9 players in the rotation, I'd like to see Jones get some more run in games that aren't close and Len will play every other game so that'd be 10-11 players.
If we can move Kev for a guy that will play every night without being shoe-horned in great but otherwise I'm all for just letting Christie cook, both Kevin and Keegan are rebounding offensively now that Brown has gone.
With Fox back we're at 9 players in the rotation, I'd like to see Jones get some more run in games that aren't close and Len will play every other game so that'd be 10-11 players.
If we can move Kev for a guy that will play every night without being shoe-horned in great but otherwise I'm all for just letting Christie cook, both Kevin and Keegan are rebounding offensively now that Brown has gone.
Funny thing about Maz is the Boston media sorta hates him. Even with a championship. If people want to be worked up about Brown not getting an Outlook appointment for an extra 30 minutes at his next one-on-one so we could fire him "correctly" after we win a chip I will take that trade seven days a week and twice on Sundays.
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