Trade Brad Miller

[Rome]

I think our mismatched team could work very well, and I would love to see it back next season with shotblocking next to Brad.

We could re-write the game of basketball

PG: Shoots the lights out
SG: Bangs, rebounds, destroys
SF: Crazy, intense, crazy
PF: Shooter, passer, high IQ
C: Rebounder, shotblocking

Now that is an "experiment" I wouldn't mind seeing.

lol thanks for answering my question....

 

[SacTownKid]

so what would happen if we put a guy like Boris Diaw or Tim Thomas at the center spot. wouldn't it be the same thing as in creating mismatches.

Because once Brad gets guarded by someone quicker he seems to be worthless.

Thats what the Suns do and it creates problems for opposing centers.

We would be the Suns. You have to run a certain style to play a guy like Boris Diaw at C. One we seem to be moving away from at the current time. Their interior defense is worse than ours.

 

[Rome]

We would be the Suns. You have to run a certain style to play a guy like Boris Diaw at C. One we seem to be moving away from at the current time. Their interior defense is worse than ours.

The shots that I see Brad Miller get are from Bibby with the pick and pop. Diaw runs the same exact thing with Nash. I even saw it today against the Lakers..

 

[Bricklayer]

a) the Suns aren't going anywhere special until they get a bigger body back there (KT will help maybe, but likely stil not enough)

b) the Suns also have the player that we do not -- the guy who justifies their freak center. They have a 12reb 2blk a game PF (not even a true PF, but still gets the numbers). He covers for the soft guards at the 5. Which is of course exactly why that's what we should be in the market for -- a PF who plays the position "big", to cover for the center who plays his position "small".

 

[Rome]

a) the Suns aren't going anywhere special until they get a bigger body back there (KT will help maybe, but likely stil not enough)

b) the Suns also have the player that we do not -- the guy who justifies their freak center. They have a 12reb 2blk a game PF (not even a true PF, but still gets the numbers). He covers for the soft guards at the 5. Which is of course exactly why that's what we should be in the market for -- a PF who plays the position "big", to cover for the center who plays his position "small".

but they basically got there own "Brad Miller"
So that would mean where not going anywhere either.

 

[SacTownKid]

The shots that I see Brad Miller get are from Bibby with the pick and pop. Diaw runs the same exact thing with Nash. I even saw it today against the Lakers..

I am talking defensively. We'd be in the same boat. Brad is 7' 260, and he does play like it every once in awhile. He is simply a horrid help defender. Diaw is a talented, but he is a SG in a SG's body, playing C.

 

[Rome]

I am talking defensively. We'd be in the same boat. Brad is 7' 260, and he does play like it every once in awhile. He is simply a horrid help defender. Diaw is a talented, but he is a SG in a SG's body, playing C.

Oh really.... Its not like Brad plays like a 7'0 center. Diaw is probably a better defender then Brad because of his quickness. Plus he averages more blocks then Brad!!!!

 

[SacTownKid]

Also I think people underrate Brads shooting ability. He is a guy that has pretty much consistently shot at or above a 50% clip mostly on perimeter shots. That is..like..pretty good and stuff.

Compared to Diaw, well, he is 7', so he has basically 5 to 6 more inches to shoot over his opponent than Diaw.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh really.... Its not like Brad plays like a 7'0 center. Diaw is probably a better defender then Brad because of his quickness. Plus he averages more blocks then Brad!!!!

They are as SOFT as we are in the middle. Tonights game against the Lakers proved it once again.

Its like trading an apple, for a smaller one. Still an apple.

 

[Rome]

Also I think people underrate Brads shooting ability. He is a guy that has pretty much consistently shot at or above a 50% clip mostly on perimeter shots. That is..like..pretty good and stuff.

Compared to Diaw, well, he is 7', so he has basically 5 to 6 more inches to shoot over his opponent than Diaw.

Yea but it don't matter because Brad can only hit wide open shots anyways. Its not like Brad is gonna kill you if you guard him. If you don't believe me just look at this series against San Antonio. Just agree with me lol. Diaw > Brad at the C spot. Diaw is even a better passer/defender.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yea but it don't matter because Brad can only hit wide open shots anyways. Its not like Brad is gonna kill you if you guard him. If you don't believe me just look at this series against San Antonio. Just agree with me lol. Diaw > Brad at the C spot. Diaw is even a better passer/defender.

Brad has missed a lot of wide open shots, ones that he usually hits. Its hard to debate if you are only going to go by the last two games he's played.

If Brad is now a 4 point, 2 rebound a game center, than we don't need to even talk about this. He needs to stop cashing his checks period. But is Brad a 4 point 2 rebound center?

 

[Rome]

Brad has missed a lot of wide open shots, ones that he usually hits. Its hard to debate if you are only going to go by the last two games he's played.

If Brad is now a 4 point, 2 rebound a game center, than we don't need to even talk about this. He needs to stop cashing his checks period. But is Brad a 4 point 2 rebound center?

thats not what i said. I know that brad is a good "shooting" center but if a man decides to D him up he won't get anything done. His career playoff average is just under 10 points.

 

[SacTownKid]

No Brad is not just a "good shooting center", I would darn near say, based on %, he is one of the leagues premier mid-range shooters. Period.

 

[Rome]

No Brad is not just a "good shooting center", I would darn near say, based on %, he is one of the leagues premier mid-range shooters. Period.

LOL So is Diaw if you put him at the C position and gets the open looks that Brad does.

Wow this discussion is going to continue up to 1:00 am.

I will show no mercy...

 

[SacTownKid]

LOL So is Diaw if you put him at the C position and gets the open looks that Brad does.

Wow this discussion is going to continue up to 1:00 am.

I will show no mercy...

Except for the fact that the knock on Diaw is that his outside shot isn't consistent.

Look even if putting Diaw at C for us was the issue, what would it solve? Fixing a hole with a smaller one if you ask me.

I say:

PG: Mike Bibby
SG: Bonzi Wells
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Brad Miller
C: Joel Przybilla

We can spread the floor. We have post up skill. Shotblocking. Rebouding (TONS). Size (Brad may not play like he is 7', but that doesn't change the fact that he is). And a dangerous team. No opposing coach wants to see that lineup. If we are getting killed with quickness, we can bring in Reef off the bench if a matchup calls for it, and even play Bonzi or Ron at PF (it worked at times this season). If teams go small on us, we can go small right back, or punish them with size.

 

[Rome]

Except for the fact that the knock on Diaw is that his outside shot isn't consistent.

Look even if putting Diaw at C for us was the issue, what would it solve? Fixing a hole with a smaller one if you ask me.

I say:

PG: Mike Bibby
SG: Bonzi Wells
SF: Ron Artest
PF: Brad Miller
C: Joel Przybilla

We can spread the floor. We have post up skill. Shotblocking. Rebouding (TONS). Size (Brad may not play like he is 7', but that doesn't change the fact that he is). And a dangerous team. No opposing coach wants to see that lineup. If we are getting killed with quickness, we can bring in Reef off the bench if a matchup calls for it, and even play Bonzi or Ron at PF (it worked at times this season). If teams go small on us, we can go small right back, or punish them with size.

aaah huh, but what if we Tim Thomas was our PF.

And woudn't putting Brad at C defeat the whole purpose of "spreading the floor" I mean PF's are generally quicker then centers which means they can stop Brad easier. So that won't work. If your gonna keep brad then you might as well keep him as a C.

 

[SacTownKid]

aaah huh, but what if we Tim Thomas was our PF.

And woudn't putting Brad at C defeat the whole purpose of "spreading the floor" I mean PF's are generally quicker then centers which means they can stop Brad easier. So that won't work. If your gonna keep brad then you might as well keep him as a C.

We can't have Tim Thomas, due to the fact that we have Kenny Thomas, and league rules CLEARLY STATE that you can't have more than one of the "Thomas family" on a team at one time.

Now on the other hand, it is OK to have two "Wallace boys" on the same team. It seems a little unfair, but rules are the rules.

 

[Rome]

aaw man if only Brad learned how to block shots and get rebounds then he could sort of be our "Rasheed Wallace" and Joel be our "Ben Wallace". But too bad Brad doesn't have that in his game...

Don't you think that would of been cool?

 

[SacTownKid]

As a closing statement I will say this.

Brad is Brad. I think what he does do well could be very critical to our success if we keep the monster combo of Ron/Bonzi, which I am all for. The lineup I posted above creates many mismatches that I think gives us the greater advantage over other teams.

Basketball is a game of matchups, and you always have ones that do not favor certain teams. I think that lineup could do very well together and it directly solves many of the problems we have now, and doesn't really create any new ones to point that we couldn't overcome them.

 

[SacTownKid]

aaw man if only Brad learned how to block shots and get rebounds then he could sort of be our "Rasheed Wallace" and Joel be our "Ben Wallace". But too bad Brad doesn't have that in his game...

Don't you think that would of been cool?

We've got Bonzi Wells, and Ron Artest. Our PF, and our PF.

 

[Rome]

I guess... I'll come back though if Brad has another 4 and 2 game on Friday

 

[LPKingsFan]

aaw man if only Brad learned how to block shots and get rebounds then he could sort of be our "Rasheed Wallace" and Joel be our "Ben Wallace". But too bad Brad doesn't have that in his game...

Don't you think that would of been cool?

Actually, when Bonzi was hurt earlier this year, I envisioned a Kings squad modeled after the Pistons:

Bibby: Billups-type PG who can pass but would rather hit the big shot
Martin: Slasher/shooter/scorer like Rip
Artest: Defesive stopper like Prince, but better offensively
Miller: Sweet shooting big man like Sheed, but lacks the defensive prowess
Tyson Chandler: Offensively-inept shotblocker like Big Ben

Then you have SAR to play the McDyess role, Garica the 2/3 swingman, and get Mike James with the MLE to be... Mike James.

Of course then the questions are: what do you do with Bonzi? And how do you get Chandler?

Still, I've seen worse plans out there.

Edit: and I almost forgot... Corliss=Corliss

 

[Rome]

Actually, when Bonzi was hurt earlier this year, I envisioned a Kings squad modeled after the Pistons:

Bibby: Billups-type PG who can pass but would rather hit the big shot
Martin: Slasher/shooter/scorer like Rip
Artest: Defesive stopper like Prince, but better offensively
Miller: Sweet shooting big man like Sheed, but lacks the defensive prowess
Tyson Chandler: Offensively-inept shotblocker like Big Ben

Then you have SAR to play the McDyess role, Garica the 2/3 swingman, and get Mike James with the MLE to be... Mike James.

Of course then the questions are: what do you do with Bonzi? And how do you get Chandler?

Still, I've seen worse plans out there.

hmmmm. Thats not so bad. But Miller would be a very very poor man's Sheed lol. Cause Sheed does more then just shooot 3's. He can take you in the post.

 

[LPKingsFan]

True, but you can't run the offense through Sheed. Like I said, not perfect, but I think doable if you figure out how to turn Bonzi/KT into Chandler.

 

[SacKings4Life21]

noooooo people nooooooo have any of you seen ty chan play in person!!! he sucks. and his contract is massive now... we dont want him for that price!!! he gets is foul trouble so fast, and can score at all.. he can rebound and block shots but he fouls out 50 games a year... I love the joel brad combo... resign bonzi (which i think will be easy with the MLE, but then we can get joel right? or wait u can offer a player an extension on ur team that wont matter if u go over the cap right?) anyway... mike bonzi/kevin Ron Brad/SAR Joel is a great 7 man rotation... plus garcia and whom ever are back up PG will be... i love it

 

[Bricklayer]

Thing is, great teams need to know who they are. Its not enough to just have great talent, you have to have a "flavor", something or someone you take pride in, build around, and that defines you. The Spurs and Pistons defend. Pretty much EVERYBODY defends. The Suns run, run run. The Mavs are interesting because they are in full fledged transition now from the Nellie Mavs to another defensive juggernaught.

Well, with the demise of our earlier Big Three, we now have kind of two competing flavors, and then a couple of spare parts guys. Flavor 1 is the Brad/Bibby holdover duo of sweet shooters. Flavor 2 is the Ron/Bonzi toughman 2/3 combo. There was even briefly a Flavor 3 of Kevin/Cisco/Thomas as athletic runners.

Now if you let Bonzi go, then there goes that "flavor", so where do you look for defnition then? Do you go back to the Brad/Bibby approach and bring Ron kicking and screaming along for the ride? Do you try to find Kevin a running mate, even though that leaves Ron out of the mix?

Whatever it is, we need some critical mass of players who play the game the same way. In years past, we were the ultimate passing team. People pointed to the shooting, and that was part of it, but what that team will always be remembered for is the amazing passing, starting with Vlade and Webb and JWill, then adding Doug...that was what defined us. That was "Kings basketball". Right now there IS no "Kings basketball". Every game we play it different.

As an aside, if we plan on being serious postseason threats in the near future, my money is on the Ron/Bonzi 2/3 battering ram Flavor. Its the one that best incorporates out best player. But that poses certain challenges for the rest of the roster. To make it take, at the very least you have to find a tough minded defensive stud or two up front. Get that critical mass of tough guy defensive types and say "we're going to be tough." But you also need some guys who can create space at the other roster spots. And since most shooters are soft in one way or the other, maybe those shooters should be role players, etc.

 

[Kings113]

A Brad/Pryzbilla 4/5 combo I'm not sure on for a few reasons.. also Pryzbilla isn't looking for a bench spot. Be great if he would accept that though.

Chandler's been playing excellent since late January. I'd be delighted if we got him, but I'm not sure if we do at all.

 

[Folsom Al]

Bottom-line .... TIME FOR A CHANGE

 

[nbrans]

As an aside, if we plan on being serious postseason threats in the near future, my money is on the Ron/Bonzi 2/3 battering ram Flavor. Its the one that best incorporates out best player. But that poses certain challenges for the rest of the roster. To make it take, at the very least you have to find a tough minded defensive stud or two up front. Get that critical mass of tough guy defensive types and say "we're going to be tough." But you also need some guys who can create space at the other roster spots. And since most shooters are soft in one way or the other, maybe those shooters should be role players, etc.

If we're going to go the battering ram route, might as well go all out and ship out Bibby for someone like Watson or Mike James and Miller for someone like Chandler or (theoretically anyway) the Wallace brothers and make this a James/Bonzi/Artest/SAR/Chandler juggernaut. Right now it's really not working to do it halfway. The Kings can't beat anyone with offense and they can't beat anyone with defense. It's an ugly blend that works about half the time, and isn't really scaring anyone.

Ideally you'd have that one alpha scorer, on solid secondary scorer (Ron can play that role) and the rest scoring opportunisitically and beating the crap out of the other team. I don't think think Bibby makes sense as that primary option because he can't play defense and is far too inconsistent. So either you feed SAR in the post every time down the floor (I have my doubts), you pray Kevin develops into an unstoppable offensive force (I have my doubts, but you never know with Kevin), or you ship out your holdovers until you get the right mix.

I don't really see this current team developing into anything fearsome, let's hope Petrie sees that as well and keeps the trade winds blowing.

 

[PFFFT!!]

After all is said and done this season, Petrie will have a clearer understanding of what is needed and what is not during the summer. Im looking forward to next season.