Trade Brad Miller

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CruzDude said:
My view on Brad is one item: where is the overall benefit from his high post game and some passing and outside shooting
vs.
really bad defense in middle and no low post game, little or no shot blocking, and very slow to cut off opposing players having layup practice at Kings expense.

Sure he is a great guy but is his offensive benefits exceeding his defensive liabilities? sure doesn't look like it past few months and especially in playoffs.

But before we trade him one has to take an honest look at who would want Brad and what would they give up to get him? Or how do we get something closer to what is needed then who would take Brad? Probably only via a 3 way trade or going after a free agent then putting Brad on bench.

His flashes of being really good are few and far between. If we wear GM hats and owner hats for a minute, image what the Maloofs are seeing and they are as rabid fans as any of us.

Next topic is bound to be our 4's, KT and SAR.
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When he tries, he is good at defense. Its not like he isn't able to do it. Someone needs to motivate him.
 
venom_7 said:
When he tries, he is good at defense. Its not like he isn't able to do it. Someone needs to motivate him.
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If I had his salary, that would be motivation enough for me. Unfortunately this dude takes it for granted, so what else bigger than his salary will motivate him? :\
 
PFFFT!! said:
If I had his salary, that would be motivation enough for me. Unfortunately this dude takes it for granted, so what else bigger than his salary will motivate him? :\
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Salaries rarely motivate guys. Sometimes the opposite in fact. People compete and play the game with passion in college, in high school, even on the playgrounds. Its not about the money.

I just think that Brad is not the greatest most natural aggressive competitor type. And while people often "like" players like that because they seem like nice guys, it can be problematic when you have to constantly be trying to stoke the fires in there to get best performance.
 
FrenchCanadianKING said:
Where do we rank in the league in terms of Blocked Shots per game? I bet it's pretty darn low, but does anyone know exactly?
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I believe we finished 26th. We were pathetic. Our best shotblocker is a swingman who doesn't play. We traded the only guy in the frontcourt who could block MY shot, let alone an NBAers.

That's not just Brad of course.
 
Brad Miller's playoff average: 9.7 ppg, 2.4 apg, 6.5 rpg, .59 bpg.

Jumping ability = 1 mm.

Last year let Jerome James average a career 18 ppg in the PO when he is only suppose to be averaging 4 ppg.

People loved to point out how Peja was a playoff choker but now I think its time to point those fingers to Brad as well. Look how it turned out with Peja being traded. Maybe if we got a center who can play better defense and rebound it might work out. Tyson Chandler anyone? And then we can get sign a forward who can "spread the floor" as well as collect rebounds and play defense.
 
I bet Eddie Griffin gets his shot back for next season over the summer. :) Also, while he wouldn't be one of my top choices, Lorenzen Wright has a legit mid-range jump-shot. Francisco Elson has also proven he has a 15-18 ft jumpshot when he gets minutes (like in his 47 starts).

All three have athleticism, good rebounders, and only Wright isn't a shot-blocker.
 
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Is there a book called "How To Trade Brad For Alonzo Mourning" in Amazon.com? Because if there's such book I will definitely buy 20 copies of it!

P.S. 1 copy for me, 1 for my library and 18 will be given to selected members of the Kingsfans.com!
 
Kings113 said:
I bet Eddie Griffin gets his shot back for next season over the summer. :) Also, while he wouldn't be one of my top choices, Lorenzen Wright has a legit mid-range jump-shot. Francisco Elson has also proven he has a 15-18 ft jumpshot when he gets minutes (like in his 47 starts).

All three have athleticism, good rebounders, and only Wright isn't a shot-blocker.
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Wright is only acceptable as a center if you have an elite power forward, like Gasol... or Garnett. Wright and Thomas and/or Abdur-Rahim ain't gonna cut it.

So, if there were anyway we could finagle a trade for Garnett, I'd be all for signing Wright at center. Otherwise... a big "meh."
 
Find a way to bring big Joel here. I think Brad and he could work in the frontcourt together. And keep Reef as our 6th man. That would rule. He would be 6th man of the year next year.
 
SacTownKid said:
Find a way to bring big Joel here. I think Brad and he could work in the frontcourt together. And keep Reef as our 6th man. That would rule. He would be 6th man of the year next year.
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Actually Joel + Brad lineup is too slow. Why not trade Brad + filler for Diaw. Diaw can spread the floor and pass. Even though he is 6'8 its not like Brad plays at his height... So it wouldn't matter. Then trade KT for Joel.

This is if you care about a center who can "spread the floor"

Otherwise we should get rid of Brad + Bonzi + Garcia for KG.
 
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Rome said:
Actually Joel + Brad lineup is too slow. Why not trade Brad + filler for Diaw. Diaw can spread the floor and pass. Even though he is 6'8 its not like Brad plays at his height... So it wouldn't matter. Then trade KT for Joel.

This is if you care about a center who can "spread the floor"

Otherwise we should get rid of Brad + Bonzi + Garcia for KG.
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I disagree. We have a great defensive wing combo in Ron and Bonzi. Ron usually gaurds the perimeter PF's anyway, and with Joel at the basket it wouldn't matter anyway. Also, I think people discredit Joels athleticism. He is as quick as Reef at least.

It would be our own version of the twin towers. Are Duncan and Nazr too slow? Or Duncan and Rasho? I'd say a combo of Joel and Brad wouldn't be any slower than those two pairings.

And if we could get KG with that package then of course. But that ain't happening. They are NOT trading KG. The Twolves have said it and I believe them.
 
Oh, and also I think that there is a possiblity that Joel could be brought here for the MLE. So at least its realistic.
 
I just don't can't see whats so special about Brad. I mean if you put any good shooting/passing small out there, they can do everything Brad does. Outside of shooting and passing is there anything that Brad can do that will help us win a championship?

Realistically if you put a SF with decent passing skills plus good shooting range wouldn't he basically be a Brad Miller except probably faster and better defensively?? Answer this....

Im not saying we should trade Brad for another Brad but thats how I see Brad. I just see him as a guard in a center's body. Every aspect of his game is like a G/SF. So whats so special about him?
 
Rome said:
I just don't can't see whats so special about Brad. I mean if you put any good shooting/passing small out there, they can do everything Brad does. Outside of shooting and passing is there anything that Brad can do that will help us win a championship?

Realistically if you put a SF with decent passing skills plus good shooting range wouldn't he basically be a Brad Miller except probably faster and better defensively?? Answer this....

Im not saying we should trade Brad for another Brad but thats how I see Brad. I just see him as a guard in a center's body. Every aspect of his game is like a G/SF. So whats so special about him?
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Brad brings the opposing teams center out of the paint. Because of the mismatches we have on the wings due to their post up skills, if they put a smaller player on him he'll just shoot right over the top.

A SF doesn't have the ability to bring out the opposing teams interior like Brad does. When Brad shoots well, we notice this more.

If nothing else it gives our post guys (Bonzi + Ron) room to work in the post. When these guys master how to punish those double teams it will be great for us, and nearly unstoppable.

I see shotblocking and experience as our last two mountains. We have a team that causes mismatch nightmares for any team. With our interior D problems solved, we could be hell for opposing teams on offense AND defense.

Even though our defense has been much better since Ron got here, we NEED that interior presence. This series shows that more than ever.
 
SacTownKid said:
Brad brings the opposing teams center out of the paint. Because of the mismatches we have on the wings due to their post up skills, if they put a smaller player on him he'll just shoot right over the top.

A SF doesn't have the ability to bring out the opposing teams interior like Brad does. When Brad shoots well, we notice this more.

If nothing else it gives our post guys (Bonzi + Ron) room to work in the post. When these guys master how to punish those double teams it will be great for us, and nearly unstoppable.

I see shotblocking and experience as our last two mountains. We have a team that causes mismatch nightmares for any team. With our interior D problems solved, we could be hell for opposing teams on offense AND defense.

Even though our defense has been much better since Ron got here, we NEED that interior presence. This series shows that more than ever.
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again... wouldn't a sf like Tim Thomas (who can shoot the lights out) bring the opposing center to guard him in the highpost? I mean if Tim Thomas got the wide open looks Brad does he would be draining threes all day which would make the opposing center guard him out of the paint which opens the paint for the wings just like Brad does...
 
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Rome said:
again... wouldn't a sf like Tim Thomas (who can shoot the lights out) bring the opposing center to guard him in the highpost?
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Was Peja ever guarded by the opposing teams center?
 
SacTownKid said:
Was Peja ever guarded by the opposing teams center?
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have we ever put Peja at the center position??? If we did im sure the opposing center would worry ;)
 
Rome said:
I just don't can't see whats so special about Brad. I mean if you put any good shooting/passing small out there, they can do everything Brad does. Outside of shooting and passing is there anything that Brad can do that will help us win a championship?

Realistically if you put a SF with decent passing skills plus good shooting range wouldn't he basically be a Brad Miller except probably faster and better defensively?? Answer this....

Im not saying we should trade Brad for another Brad but thats how I see Brad. I just see him as a guard in a center's body. Every aspect of his game is like a G/SF. So whats so special about him?
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Precisely that he's a guard in a center's body. Other big men have a hard time dealing with that. Its like a great knuckleballer in baseball. The offspeed stuff throw the hitters off rhythm. Which is again why, sure, if you can go find yourself a power pitcher with a 98 mph fastball, I will take that every day over the knuckleballer. But the knuckleballer is far more effective than just a mediocre power guy with a 93 mph fastball.

In some primitive 1950's era basketball textbook it says:

PG -- passes the ball
OG -- shoots the ball
SF -- shoots the ball some more
PF -- posts up and rebounds
C -- rebounds and blocks shots

Or some such. That textbook is not only primitive, it can be wrong in its simplistic understanding of basketball. Brad is the mismatch guy that you use when you cannot win the battle straight up. We should spend this entire offseason looking to upgrade any and all of our frontcourt spots, but it has to be an overall UPGRADE. You don't win by having poor man's imitations of great players. I have publicly questioned whether Brad was really a championship quality center before, but he's certainly a helluva lot closer than a lot of other guys.

And if Brad comes back, he absolutely 100% HAS to rededicate himself on the glass. Being 14 and 10 is one thing. 14 and 7.8 quite another.
 
so what would happen if we put a guy like Boris Diaw or Tim Thomas at the center spot. wouldn't it be the same thing as in creating mismatches.

Because once Brad gets guarded by someone quicker he seems to be worthless.

Thats what the Suns do and it creates problems for opposing centers.
 
I think our mismatched team could work very well, and I would love to see it back next season with shotblocking next to Brad.

We could re-write the game of basketball

PG: Shoots the lights out
SG: Bangs, rebounds, destroys
SF: Crazy, intense, crazy
PF: Shooter, passer, high IQ
C: Rebounder, shotblocking

Now that is an "experiment" I wouldn't mind seeing. :eek:
 
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