Trade Brad Miller

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yanon said:
He doesn't have Drik's range or scorig ability.
Even Dirk is a better rebounder than Brad.

Package SAR + Brad + pick for KG
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I'd do it in a heartbeat. The problem is STILL the same ... convincing the Timberwolves that it's a good deal.
 
Ahh...have to love the knee jerk philosophers. My own concern about Brad as playoff force have been mentioned repeatedly. That said, basing a trade thread on one game -- and don't even bore me by trying to claim this would be here if he had gone for 18 and 10 -- is more than a little silly. Based on this game we should just trade the whole team. For the Blazers.
 
Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Eddie Griffin
Salary: $2,500,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.6 REB: 5.6 AST: 0.6 PER: 12.25

Samuel Dalembert
Salary: $8,477,178 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 7.3 REB: 8.2 AST: 0.4 PER: 14.22

Marko Jaric
Salary: $5,280,528 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 7.8 REB: 3.1 AST: 3.9 PER: 11.70


Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Allen Iverson
Salary: $16,453,125 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 33.0 REB: 3.2 AST: 7.4 PER: 26.02

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Salary: $5,000,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 12.3 REB: 5.0 AST: 2.1 PER: 17.31


Outgoing Players: Mark Madsen, Bracey Wright, Eddie Griffin, Mark Blount, Rashad McCants, Marko Jaric

Philadelphia 76ers

Incoming Players
Mark Madsen
Salary: $2,000,000 Years Remaining: 0
PTS: 1.2 REB: 2.3 AST: 0.2 PER: 5.26

Bracey Wright
Salary: $398,762 Years Remaining: 0
PTS: 8.9 REB: 2.6 AST: 0.7 PER: 12.06

Mark Blount
Salary: $5,515,875 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 11.3 REB: 4.5 AST: 1.2 PER: 12.12

Brad Miller
Salary: $8,750,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 15.0 REB: 7.8 AST: 4.7 PER: 17.52

Rashad McCants
Salary: $1,538,400 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.9 REB: 1.8 AST: 0.8 PER: 12.61


Outgoing Players: Allen Iverson, Samuel Dalembert

I was amazed at how well I think this could work for all teams...

Why the kings would do this...
By trading Miller and adding Sammy D we significantly upgrade our Defense and rebounding. not to mention age. He is young and skilled. His offense is a little raw, but he is really improving... at least when I watch him. We get rid of SAR but we pull in Griffin, exactly what many kings fans have been shooting for. He is a great defender, and can block and rebound to. Jaric is to help out our point guard problems. He is a very servicable player that Adleman likes because he plays many positions. I think this makes us alot deeper to.

Downside...
We loose some offense because SAR is formidable and Brad did nothing but offense. We would still have kenny, who isnt all that bad, but no use having SAR and Kenny.

Why the T wolves do this...
They get a super star to go next to Garnett... I think that the T wolves get the best part of the deal because adding SAR gives them an offensive PF and can put KG at the ceter positon. AI, Hassel, Davis, SAR, KG is a legit line up... plus they still have Hudson off the bench. If I was Mini I would do this.. but what do you all think?

Downsides...
The Wolves send 6 of thier players to recive 2, and that makes thier bench none existant... Which might not even be allowed! lol but if they were able to sign some free agents for a bench, then that problem would be solved. Another issue is that they give up RM, who has been promising for them... but if they want to give the go to Marcus banks then they all good.

Why the Sixers do this...
Obvsiouly the sixers get the worst talent end of the deal... But they are in a semi rebuilding mode anyway... They are trying to get rid of iverson, and getting basically Brad miller for Iverson isnt the best thing for them, but its not a complete waste either. Blout is pretty average on both ends. They get RM who has a promising future, and can run the point around their young peices in korver and the other AI

Downsides...
Well trading iverson would most likly be for another star, or major cap space... which they get neither. They get a 2 young guns, and 2 old centers with big contracts... plus madson's 5 year extension but his isnt that big. So i think this trade fails on the sixers end. So they wouldnt have much more breathing room ya kno? I am going to try and re work this a bit to make it a better deal for the sixers... and get back to ya
 
I like the trade except for the Jaric guy. I guess he would be good for a backup on the bench though.
 
Bricklayer said:
Ahh...have to love the knee jerk philosophers. My own concern about Brad as playoff force have been mentioned repeatedly. That said, basing a trade thread on one game -- and don't even bore me by trying to claim this would be here if he had gone for 18 and 10 -- is more than a little silly. Based on this game we should just trade the whole team. For the Blazers.
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Because Brad Miller has been a stellar rebounder all year long, and has played stellar defense. Trust me, it isn't jsut because of this game. All this game served for was reinsurance that he needs to be traded.
 
Also, Chris Wilcox would be a fantastic pickup, I'd love to bring an athletic Center in here. We should also do our best to rid K9 and Bonzi for a legit shooting guard and a decent bench too. :cool:
 
Sacramento Kings

Incoming Players
Eddie Griffin
Salary: $2,500,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.6 REB: 5.6 AST: 0.6 PER: 12.25

Samuel Dalembert
Salary: $8,477,178 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 7.3 REB: 8.2 AST: 0.4 PER: 14.22

Marko Jaric
Salary: $5,280,528 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 7.8 REB: 3.1 AST: 3.9 PER: 11.70


Outgoing Players: Brad Miller, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Corliss WilliamsonMinnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Allen Iverson
Salary: $16,453,125 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 33.0 REB: 3.2 AST: 7.4 PER: 26.02

Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Salary: $5,000,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 12.3 REB: 5.0 AST: 2.1 PER: 17.31


Outgoing Players: Mark Madsen, Eddie Griffin, Ricky Davis, Rashad McCants, Marko JaricPhiladelphia 76ers

Incoming Players
Mark Madsen
Salary: $2,000,000 Years Remaining: 0
PTS: 1.2 REB: 2.3 AST: 0.2 PER: 5.26

Ricky Davis
Salary: $5,909,800 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 19.4 REB: 4.5 AST: 5.1 PER: 15.64

Brad Miller
Salary: $8,750,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 15.0 REB: 7.8 AST: 4.7 PER: 17.52

Rashad McCants
Salary: $1,538,400 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.9 REB: 1.8 AST: 0.8 PER: 12.61

Corliss Williamson
Salary: $6,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 3.4 REB: 1.8 AST: 0.4 PER: 8.17


Outgoing Players: Allen Iverson, Samuel Dalembert


This way its better for the sixers in rebuilding... reciveing Corliss's contreact
 
I would love to get Eddie Griffin and Daly, but c'mon. Look at what we are giving up! That isn't fair to us in the least bit. May help us, but thats a bad deal talent wise.

We end up with a Kenny Thomas, Eddie Griffin, Dalembert frontcourt. Something is to be said for having a talented team.
 
SacTownKid said:
I would love to get Eddie Griffin and Daly, but c'mon. Look at what we are giving up! That isn't fair to us in the least bit. May help us, but thats a bad deal talent wise.

We end up with a Kenny Thomas, Eddie Griffin, Dalembert frontcourt. Something is to be said for having a talented team.
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That frontcourt might actually work, but only if you were getting about 60 a game out of your 1-3 guys who would have to be very prolific.
 
Well Sam Dam is very talented... and Griffin can score to. sure we give up SAR's offense along with brads offence, but as far as i am concerned... we add much more defense than we loose offence. And D is what matters. I have no doubt eddie can average 10-12 with regular mintues, and that is close to SAR... Sam dam is only going to get 8-10 but his boards and blocks is much more valuble! I dont think we are giving up to much... we are also adding cap room, even if its small
 
Well that front court will average about 30 a game on another team, but if we resign Rick, and he teachs them some offensive tips... than we can get more. Our back court would be our heavey scoring... but with better rebounding we have better put backs, so i think they would get thier scoring. Plus we could save enough cash to resign bonzi.... mike ron bonzi are going to average close to 60... so I think this is golden
 
dude, centers like Brad come around only once in FOREVER. You guys point out this game, but what about the games when he did play good defense and he did dominate? Game that sticks out was against Philly, we still lost, but Brad got 36 and was the only reason we were close in the end anyway. What about that game at New York? He shut down Curry and did some scoring too. he just wasn't into the game today. He is the key to beating the Spurs. And he needs to show on those screens, and Bibby needs to go under them. Make Parker beat you with his jumpshot.
 
SacKings4Life21 said:
Why the T wolves do this...
They get a super star to go next to Garnett... I think that the T wolves get the best part of the deal because adding SAR gives them an offensive PF and can put KG at the ceter positon. AI, Hassel, Davis, SAR, KG is a legit line up... plus they still have Hudson off the bench. If I was Mini I would do this.. but what do you all think?
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They would just put Reef at the 3. Then you would have AI, McCants, Reef, KG, and draft pick for center. Probably Shelden Williams or Taj Gray.
 
venom_7 said:
dude, centers like Brad come around only once in FOREVER.
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Sweet jumpshooting non defense playing 1 rebounding centers?








You are right, they are rare.
 
venom_7 said:
dude, centers like Brad come around only once in FOREVER. You guys point out this game, but what about the games when he did play good defense and he did dominate? Game that sticks out was against Philly, we still lost, but Brad got 36 and was the only reason we were close in the end anyway. What about that game at New York? He shut down Curry and did some scoring too. he just wasn't into the game today. He is the key to beating the Spurs. And he needs to show on those screens, and Bibby needs to go under them. Make Parker beat you with his jumpshot.
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Dude you dont get it do you? You just cant have a center who relies on his offense and does nothing else to win you playoff games. That just doesnt work. Look at all the teams that won championships.

Detroit has Ben Wallace who's nothing but defense and rebounding. Spurs have Nazr Mohammed who quitely flows with the game by playing defense and rebounding.

With Brad Miller on this team the system is totally wack. Our guards are actually expected to go down low and get rebounds over the opposing team's centers and forwards while our own center is waiting behind the arc for a three. I would rather lose offense from our center position for toughness and defense/rebounding.

And I realized something when i was looking at Brad's stats. Brad Miller isn't that great of a passer before comming to Sacramento. He averaged no more then 2 assists during his stay in Indianna and Chicago. Maybe a defensive center can dish out assists like that if they learn our system.
 
kingsfan52miller said:
Its one game? its not like he does it all the time
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no...rarely--if at all this season--has brad miller played extended minutes only to pull down a single rebound in a game. but he has rebounded very poorly on the whole this season. that cannot continue if the kings are going to have any chance against the spurs. the kings are still one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, while the spurs are one of the best. you don't have to outrebound them to win, but you do have to keep the rebounding battle close, and it will never be close if brad miller and everyone else don't start battling for boards.
 
exactly. he can play defense if he tries. Remember Yao? i think the coaches should come up with a special scheme just for Brad, every game, and he needs to work hard on it.
 
Rome said:
And I realized something when i was looking at Brad's stats. Brad Miller isn't that great of a passer before comming to Sacramento. He averaged no more then 2 assists during his stay in Indianna and Chicago. Maybe a defensive center can dish out assists like that if they learn our system.
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As for the passing -- Brad Miller was ALWAYS an exceptional passer for a center. Why a number of us on here were calling for us to get him before Geoff made the move. He was simply in a system where he wasn't given many opportunities. And no, the same can't be said of every other two assist center in the league. Some guys have it. Some don't. Right now in the NBA there may not be another true center that passes as well -- timing and touch are not skills you teach. They are gifts.

(Yao can pass, so can Bogut, neither as consistently well)
 
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i dont understand why some people are just ready to throw him away..there are not alot of centers out there better than him, i wonder if this thread will die down if brad goes the next game 15 11 and 5..and kenny thomas when asked about the lack of rebounds had a good point..there were not alot of rebounds for the kings to get tonight..i dont think thats an excuse for brad having 1 rebound at all..but it is 1 game
 
kingsfan52miller said:
Its one game? its not like he does it all the time
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If your talking about his defense and rebounding then your mistaken. He's played horrible defense and grabbed very few rebounds numerous times this season.
 
Bricklayer said:
As for the passing -- Brad Miller was ALWAYS an exceptional passer for a center. Why a number of us on here were calling for us to get him before he Geoff made the move. He was simply in a system where he wasn't given many opportunities. And no, the same can't be said of every other two rebound center in the league. Some guys have it. Some don't. Right now in the NBA there may not be another true center that passes as well -- timing and touch are not skills you teach. They are gifts.
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nah im good. I'm fine with a guard who passes and a center who rebounds and plays defense. Not the other way around.
 
kingsfan52miller said:
so has every other player on this roster
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Not KT and Bonzi but thats cause their forced to pick up the slack due to our center not physically being able to jump and grab a rebound. The 2 that stand out the most are Reef and Miller. Im not too concerned with Reef because he doesnt start but maybe its time for both of them to go.
 
kingsfan52miller said:
i dont understand why some people are just ready to throw him away..there are not alot of centers out there better than him, i wonder if this thread will die down if brad goes the next game 15 11 and 5..and kenny thomas when asked about the lack of rebounds had a good point..there were not alot of rebounds for the kings to get tonight..i dont think thats an excuse for brad having 1 rebound at all..but it is 1 game
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And forwhatever it's worth we don't know what happened to cause him to have his pinkie and ring finger on his shooting hand bandaged shortly after the game started...

Artest gets smacked in the face by a Manu elbow.

Brad has to have his shooting hand taped up.

Bibby ends up with a large noticeable scrape on his forehead.

And this was just game 1...
 
Rome said:
nah im good. I'm fine with a guard who passes and a center who rebounds and plays defense. Not the other way around.
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Which is your limitation unfortunately. The game can be played in far more ways than you seem capable of imagining. Exploiting mismatches is one of them.

Brad Miller can be replaced. But you better replace him with another center who is as good at what he does as Brad is at what he does. If you can find us an available shotblocking/rebounding center operating on a borderline All-Star level, I'm open to the suggestion. But they just aren't out there.
 
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VF21 said:
And forwhatever it's worth we don't know what happened to cause him to have his pinkie and ring finger on his shooting hand bandaged shortly after the game started...

Artest gets smacked in the face by a Manu elbow.

Brad has to have his shooting hand taped up.

Bibby ends up with a large noticeable scrape on his forehead.

And this was just game 1...
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hopefully our players can make it to game three lol
 
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