kingsboi
Hall of Famer
hopefully the Thunder just make this move and save Monte from adding any draft compensation here
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hopefully the Thunder just make this move and save Monte from adding any draft compensation here
Stan.Helsing
G-League
I don't know if Fox would or will... but I think that Fox SHOULD definitely take this approach if he has any good sense and gratitude.
It is the least the Fox could do for his team... Brunson did that for a team who did not draft him, or stand by him, or choose him over another equally promising but younger PG (Halliburton).
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twslam07
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This is a very clever idea and I know you mentioned it before. I don’t think lowering it from top 10 to top 8 is enough for them to relinquish those 2nds. I’m guessing we’ll have to take it down to somewhere between top 4 to top 6.
I did steal your idea and posted in on RealGM to get feedback (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2428903). I haven’t seen anyone say that they don’t think it’s a fair trade or that they don’t think the idea makes sense to ATL.
I think it’s an excellent idea to free up more lower risk assets to help us upgrade the roster this year. Especially since I think Huerter is a negative value contract and that teams will likely be wanting at least 1 2nd to take on his contract. Having more than 1 2nd should allow us to put together a slightly positive package and bring in a useful guy to help us (hopefully) make a run to end the season and help convince Fox to sign an extension.
twslam07
All-Star
If we’re not going to send out a 1st round pick in a deadline deal (or a player worth a 1st like Ellis, Carter, etc.), our list of targets are probably these players…
Any other “non-1st rounder value” players that would be added to this list that help balance the roster?
- SG/SF - Matisse Thybulle
- SG/SF - Bruce Brown
- SF/SG - Cody Martin
- SF/PF - Kyle Kuzma
- PF/SF - Tobias Harris
- PF/C - Larry Nance
- PF/C - John Collins
- C - Nick Richards
- C - Mitchell Robinson (might need a 1st)
- C - Jusuf Nurkic
- C - Robert Williams
- C - Zach Collins
- C - Jonas Valanciunas
Any other “non-1st rounder value” players that would be added to this list that help balance the roster?
Fox seemed to encourage Monk to get paid wherever it was (which is one reason I assumed he was gone) and he whines about CA taxes from time to time on twitter. And of course he could have signed that extension at any time but is holding out for the Super Max. To say he seems highly motivated by money would be an understatement. I don't think there's any chance he takes a penny less.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I would like to know if it’s even allowed to adjust restrictions after the fact. It’s a fun idea, I’m just not sure I’ve ever actually seen it done. Do you know?
yeh Kev is at neutral value at best but it’s not a bad deal. A team has a chance to rebuild his value for a year and then they have a nice 17 mil expiring contract as a salary trading asset. I’d love for him to get a fresh start somewhere, I still think he is a good player.
It would need to be done as part of another trade. Maybe you could do Kings remove top 10 protection for a top 4 protection in exchange for top 55 protected 2nd rounder and release of 2nd rounders ... maybe even cash considerations.
I would only play this game if we have a deal in place, then maybe you make ATL part of the deal. No chicken before the egg moves please!
If we miss the playoffs this year I really want our lotto pick so whatever deal is made had really be magical.
megapoxy
Starter
Is it possible that the Kings will approach to sing another free agent like they did with McBuckets, Crowder? Yesterday that there was this deadline I thought more teams would release players but it was just 2-3 other than OR77. There are also some players that are "abroad" that attract interest from NBA teams like Lonnie Walker IV, but I doubt we would go for another guard especially if Huerter hasn't left via trade by then. There are a bunch of former Kings player in top European clubs (Moneke, Jabari Walker, Metu and now Dozier that went to Turkey). I wonder what happened to Okpala that was released after his injury and his tracks were lost after that in the "first beam" season.
Regarding Lyles I don't think he should be part of a package deal because we have sortage in wings, he is the team's almost only "authentic" power forward and even if he gets to be replaced by an "upgrade" he would still be useful helping whenever needed at several positions especially when facing "small ball teams" playing as center.
Regarding Lyles I don't think he should be part of a package deal because we have sortage in wings, he is the team's almost only "authentic" power forward and even if he gets to be replaced by an "upgrade" he would still be useful helping whenever needed at several positions especially when facing "small ball teams" playing as center.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
yeh Monte isn’t going to do it without a deal in mind but he would have to have discussed this with Atlanta ahead of time to see if they would be interested. As far as the draft goes, part of me just wants to have the pick convey so we open up some additional flexibility. As of right now I’m not loving this years draft outside of the top few. Granted I haven’t done nearly as deep of a dive this season on prospects.
I want the pick to convey because we made the playoffs and it's a pick in the 20s.
I really wish it was lotto protected in 2023 and we were done with it. Why did we push it out to 2024 which wasn't a hot draft anyways. Did ATL insist that?
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
not sure but id assume Atlanta wanted something further down the road.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Patrick Williams from Chicago great size, good defense, and is a good three point shooter
twslam07
All-Star
All those things are true, but 2nds aren't enough to acquire him (hence why he's not on the list) nor do I think the Bulls would be actively looking to move him considering he's young enough to be a part of their rebuild.
What about Beef Stew? Is he gettable?
Steven Adams?
Steven Adams?
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Not sure but his minutes are down to 20 compared to 30 last year he’s not shooting well from three either but that’s the least of our concern for a back up center
He offers rim protection without being a complete stiff which is what I think we need and currently lack more than doubling down on our strengths.
Stew for Huerter has been suggested around here a few times I think. Pretty good deal for both sides with 2 players that have fallen out of favor with their teams.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Man Thybulle harassing people beside keon, carter, keegan would be fun to watch...
Really good list here. All I think could help.
Big key, outside of John Collins, is you do NOT add a FRP to acquire any of these guys. Huerter and/or Lyles, depending on what's coming back+change is the most you go. The second you add a FRP, that makes all these targets a significant overpay.
Bob Williams is growing on me. You have to win the bet that he's healthy, but if you keep him in that 15 MPG and he's good the rest of the year; he' the biggest difference maker on this list, sans John Collins. Don't think it's really all that close. Guy was threatening all-defensive teams before he got hurt.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
He’s a switchable defender as well he can take on big wings with no problem I don’t see why Detroit would trade him unless they get a first rounder
I think if the Kings really want to get a guy who can really help out without selling off a bunch of FRPs, they're going to need Carter to develop to make other guys expendable. Kind of like the Hali situation.
The only players we currently want to trade are ones that aren't playing well at all and you aren't going to be able to trade them for good players unless you include picks.
The only players we currently want to trade are ones that aren't playing well at all and you aren't going to be able to trade them for good players unless you include picks.
It was rumored as far back as the offseason that they don't view him as part of their long term plan. I don't know why either, but he was apparently available at one point and if he still is I'm interested.
Joshyjosh31
Starter
He’s should be very close to the top of the list if available
He was second team all nba defense in 2022 the question is is he still moving like that guy
He also has that tough guy role that we kinda lack outside of Crowder
Also why Adams was the other guy not on the list I added. Not sure his availability but if we ever traded Fox to Houston he would be #1 in my making the salary work requests after you get your picks and young talent.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
I like me some Stewart, he brings that nasty and toughness that you want out of your big men. Don't need him to shoot the three, just rebound and protect the paint
Stan.Helsing
G-League
How about this?
G: Monk.......... Kispert
F: Murray......... Ellis
F: Avdija......... Lyles
C: Sabonis...... Stewart, Len
That looks a lot more like a contending squad to me.
- DDR + 1st to Portland for Avdija. (Sell them on DDR being another good vet to have along with Grant, who can mentor their youth.)
- Huerter + 2nd to Detroit for Stewart.
- McBuckets + ?? to Washington for Kispert. (Using trade exception from Duarte.)
G: Monk.......... Kispert
F: Murray......... Ellis
F: Avdija......... Lyles
C: Sabonis...... Stewart, Len
That looks a lot more like a contending squad to me.
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Jdbraver137
Bench
If you have to base the other teams decision on convincing them they need a vet for their youth, you should squash the whole idea.
twslam07
All-Star
You’re really underestimating how much the targets you selected will actually cost.
POR just traded for Avdija (who just turned 24 a few days ago) and gave up…
- Malcolm Brogdon (probably worth a 2nd)
- 2024 1st (#14 in the draft)
- 2029 1st (2nd most favorable between BOS, MIL, & POR)
- 2028 POR 2nd
- 2030 POR 2nd
So essentially they gave up two 1st rounders (one of them a lottery pick) and three 2nds for Avdija. You’re not getting him for the package you listed above.
As for Stewart, I don’t see why they would move him for anything other than a 1st round pick, and considering he’s 23, they might want to keep him as a part of their rebuild. His contract is also not bad at $15 mil/year for the next 3.5 years (with a team option in the least year). Considering his impact on defense and the flashes he’s shown to stretch the floor, I don’t see how you acquire him with anything less than a 1st.
As for Kispert, he signed an extension so his contract is a poison pill this year which makes matching the salary difficult. But setting that aside for a second, why would WAS want to trade their 25 year old sharpshooter that they just extended for 4 more years for a 33 year old guy that literally no other team wanted to sign? We’d likely have to add incentive to acquire him as well.
If you really want to acquire all 3 of those players without giving up any younger core pieces, you’re probably going to need to sell off the rest of our tradeable 1sts and 2nds to make it happen (and that’s assuming these teams even want to part with the players you have targeted).
Would you really want to mortgage all of our tradeable future picks for the roster you have assembled above? I sure wouldn’t.
twslam07
All-Star
I know we talk a lot about moves to make this trade deadline, but I do wonder if McNair’s “Plan A” this offseason is to re-target Markkanen.
I proposed this in another thread awhile back but I think it makes sense to revisit as I wouldn’t want to make any moves at the deadline that could potentially derail this future trade proposal.
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TEAM X GETS: Malik Monk
TEAM X GIVES: Pick(s)/Asset(s)/Filler(s)
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UTA GETS: Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, Future SAC 1st(s), TEAM X Pick(s)/Asset(s)/Filler(s)
UTA GIVES: Lauri Markkanen
WHY FOR UTA? I think it would be wise for UTA to completely bottom out and move the 27 year old Markkanen for a rebuilding package. This gives them multiple picks and assets to continue to build a long term winner.
PG - Sexton / Clarkson / Collier
SG - George / Juzang / Jones / Mykhailiuk
SF - Williams / Huerter / Sensabaugh
PF - Hendricks / Collins
C - Kessler / Filipowski / Eubanks
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SAC GETS: Lauri Markkanen
SAC GIVES: Malik Monk, Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, & Future SAC 1st(s)
WHY FOR SAC? We do this to bring in another all-star level player to pair with Fox and Sabonis long term. Although Markkanen is not the ideal defender I want at PF next to Sabonis, he checks a lot of boxes. He's got great size, is a great rebounder for the PF spot, can space the floor at an elite level, is a very efficient 20+ PPG scorer, and is a lower usage player as far as scorers are concerned (allowing Fox and Sabonis to still handle the ball a fair amount). He's also 27 years old which puts him on the same timeline as our core and he is under contract for the next 4 seasons.
Losing Monk hurts, but I really like the idea of giving the majority of our guard minutes to Fox, Carter, and Ellis. That's a ton of defense, and that will be crucial since we'd be starting Markkanen and Sabonis in the frontcourt.
Also, I'd opt to decline Ellis' option and make him a RFA this offseason. Considering he's averaging just under 20 mpg this year (and he's still going to be competing with Fox, Monk, Huerter, and now Carter for guard minutes, I'm optimistic that we could resign him to a pretty affordable 4 year deal. Then, in this scenario, we'd be giving him a much larger role (26-30 mpg) after this trade goes down.
If Carter becomes the player I think he will be (and Murray returns to being a competent player offensively), a starting lineup of Fox, Ellis/Carter, Murray, Markkanen, & Sabonis could be pretty darn good. Then you'd still have Ellis/Carter and DeRozan leading the bench squad. We’d probably be able to resign Lyles as well and give us a very strong 8 man rotation.
PG - Fox
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Markkanen / Lyles
C - Sabonis
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I proposed this in another thread awhile back but I think it makes sense to revisit as I wouldn’t want to make any moves at the deadline that could potentially derail this future trade proposal.
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TEAM X GETS: Malik Monk
TEAM X GIVES: Pick(s)/Asset(s)/Filler(s)
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UTA GETS: Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, Future SAC 1st(s), TEAM X Pick(s)/Asset(s)/Filler(s)
UTA GIVES: Lauri Markkanen
WHY FOR UTA? I think it would be wise for UTA to completely bottom out and move the 27 year old Markkanen for a rebuilding package. This gives them multiple picks and assets to continue to build a long term winner.
PG - Sexton / Clarkson / Collier
SG - George / Juzang / Jones / Mykhailiuk
SF - Williams / Huerter / Sensabaugh
PF - Hendricks / Collins
C - Kessler / Filipowski / Eubanks
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SAC GETS: Lauri Markkanen
SAC GIVES: Malik Monk, Kevin Huerter, Colby Jones, & Future SAC 1st(s)
WHY FOR SAC? We do this to bring in another all-star level player to pair with Fox and Sabonis long term. Although Markkanen is not the ideal defender I want at PF next to Sabonis, he checks a lot of boxes. He's got great size, is a great rebounder for the PF spot, can space the floor at an elite level, is a very efficient 20+ PPG scorer, and is a lower usage player as far as scorers are concerned (allowing Fox and Sabonis to still handle the ball a fair amount). He's also 27 years old which puts him on the same timeline as our core and he is under contract for the next 4 seasons.
Losing Monk hurts, but I really like the idea of giving the majority of our guard minutes to Fox, Carter, and Ellis. That's a ton of defense, and that will be crucial since we'd be starting Markkanen and Sabonis in the frontcourt.
Also, I'd opt to decline Ellis' option and make him a RFA this offseason. Considering he's averaging just under 20 mpg this year (and he's still going to be competing with Fox, Monk, Huerter, and now Carter for guard minutes, I'm optimistic that we could resign him to a pretty affordable 4 year deal. Then, in this scenario, we'd be giving him a much larger role (26-30 mpg) after this trade goes down.
If Carter becomes the player I think he will be (and Murray returns to being a competent player offensively), a starting lineup of Fox, Ellis/Carter, Murray, Markkanen, & Sabonis could be pretty darn good. Then you'd still have Ellis/Carter and DeRozan leading the bench squad. We’d probably be able to resign Lyles as well and give us a very strong 8 man rotation.
PG - Fox
SG - Ellis / Carter
SF - Murray / DeRozan
PF - Markkanen / Lyles
C - Sabonis
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