Potential Free agent/trade/sign tracker

[SacTownKid]

I’d generally agree but teams like Dallas are analytics driven and they apparently wanted him over PJ Washington. I don’t think we go down that path anyway but if Monte does do it and they feel like he gives us more punch over Lyles/Kev his declining salary would put us right at the luxury tax next year if we re-signed Keon at the number proposed on this forum. It would be easy for us to just get under it. A Cam Johnson or Collins type would put us several million over.

I do think Monte is going to make a trade, I just have no idea for who

If that's true then they had to have wanted the offense/athletic ability/playmaking, not anything else. IF that was true. Kuz has been dangling as much as Huerter has, kind of is what it is at this point maybe. I think it's becoming more and more clear the Kings probably don't need more offense they need balance. As a why not Kuzma wouldn't be a horrible move, but 1st round picks or meaningful talent should be off the table. The only team that should look to do that would have to be very desperate. That's not Sacramento currently. They either win or don't. If not, it's rebuild time anyway.

 

[jiimbob]

If it's Cam the Kings want I'm okay with Huerter and a couple picks to make it happen.
We will either improve enough to keep Fox interested here or we trade him in the off-season at which time we will get picks back plus talent. I just have no interest in trading Keon or Devin.

 

[iowamcnabb]

If it's Cam the Kings want I'm okay with Huerter and a couple picks to make it happen.
We will either improve enough to keep Fox interested here or we trade him in the off-season at which time we will get picks back plus talent. I just have no interest in trading Keon or Devin.

the biggest problem with Cam is it would take Kev and Lyles. If you start him, your bench is Monk, Keon, Devin and Len. Not ideal size wise and you don’t have the 4/5 flexibility Trey offers. Im curious to see which way Monte goes

 

[jiimbob]

the biggest problem with Cam is it would take Kev and Lyles. If you start him, your bench is Monk, Keon, Devin and Len. Not ideal size wise and you don’t have the 4/5 flexibility Trey offers. Im curious to see which way Monte goes

Good point a about Trey. Jones isn't yet likely to fiil that void and we would be short on pick assets to get another big.

 

[pdxKingsFan]

the biggest problem with Cam is it would take Kev and Lyles. If you start him, your bench is Monk, Keon, Devin and Len. Not ideal size wise and you don’t have the 4/5 flexibility Trey offers. Im curious to see which way Monte goes

I'm also not entirely sure it doesn't remove the logjam anywhere, seems to create a situation where you're moving Keegan or DDR to the bench unless Cam is your 6th man.

Or what am I missing?

At least if we move Kev straight up for Kuzma I assume Kuz goes to bench and becomes a situational player and gives us some more roster flexibility with bench lineups.

Neither deal is appealing so I hope it's just lazy reporting hoping they can scoop something without a scoop.

 

[Joshyjosh31]

Jabari, Reed, Cam Whitmore, and 1-2 picks for Fox is what I'd push for. I doubt the Rockets will hold this up over Whitmore... and for the Kings, Whitmore could be a future important piece as a scoring SF/SG once DDR ages.

Then maybe figure out a trade for Stewart using Huerter, Len and a pick.

G: Monk.............. Reed, Carter
G: DDR................ Ellis, (Reed)
F: Murray............. Whitmore
F: Jabari.............. Lyles
C: Sabonis........... Stewart

There’s gonna be real disappointment in here with the package we get for Fox if that time comes

 

[Joshyjosh31]

the biggest problem with Cam is it would take Kev and Lyles. If you start him, your bench is Monk, Keon, Devin and Len. Not ideal size wise and you don’t have the 4/5 flexibility Trey offers. Im curious to see which way Monte goes

If that’s the deal then we’re probably giving up two first add in a second and we get Sharpe back who’s an elite rebounding center. I don’t think Doug will mess with the starters so I’ll bench would be ellis, Carter, Cam, and Sharpe

 

[Stan.Helsing]

There’s gonna be real disappointment in here with the package we get for Fox if that time comes

Well, I don't think that asking for Jabari, Reed and Cam Whitmore is asking too much for Fox. Perhaps, the 1-2 first round picks in addition may be a bit much... but that should be for the front offices to negotiate.

I think 1 pick would be nice, to send out along with Huerter for Stewart... but I guess I would do it even without the pick. The Kings can always send out 1 of their own future picks to do the Stewart deal.

 

[SacTownKid]

There’s gonna be real disappointment in here with the package we get for Fox if that time comes

If Fox is a goner 3-4 first round picks in the future would do IMO. The Kings have a full roster without him. Raise value in your current players and prepare to package picks at some point. Maybe even get ready for a future FA play and hopefully conserve some cap space. Don't trade for young players just because they are young. Take the flexibility all day, every day. This is the same thing as trading for a backup C that has starter level value or is paid at starter level money when you can realistically give them 8-10 mpg tops. The reality doesn't match up with fantasy and the reality is that the opportunity of one less mouth to feed and the potential of possibility is > taking a stab at so so prospects that are going to have to be re-signed at some point while taking up cap space. Moving Fox unless it's for a rebuild or a 1 to 1 star trade is a pivot and the smart play in that instance is always flexibility.

 

[twslam07]

I’m bored so let’s ruffle some feathers around here


Domantas Sabonis

for

Lauri Markkanen
Walker Kessler


If UTA doesn’t want to be a seller this offseason, they swap Markkanen for Sabonis knowing they have a young PF who is a a terrific fit on paper next to Sabonis (Hendricks) who can help unlock the potential of a team that has Sabonis at C. Also, outside of Flagg, all the top prospects seem to be PGs, SGs, and SFs so they can take BPA available while not worrying about their being a position overlap.

For SAC, it’s hard to acquire the right type of PF to put next to Sabonis as that archetype is extremely valuable in the league. With that in mind, they move Sabonis for another star player who is a better scorer/shooter who can be that 2nd option next to Fox long term. Kessler also fills their starting C hole long term and brings excellent size, length, defense, & rim protection. If we resign Lyles in the offseason, our roster heading into the 2025-26 season would be…

PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - Murray / Huerter
PF - Markkanen / DeRozan
C - Kessler / Lyles

 

[The_Jamal]

I think Marks is just trying to leverage Cam as "THE" guy to get this deadline and forcibly attempting to drive the price up on him. Again, Cam is very good, he's an excellent starter, but this isn't a guy who immediately comes onto a new team and reshapes how the whole organization runs. Seems like that's what's trying to be sold to us right now about him

 

[twslam07]

I think Marks is just trying to leverage Cam as "THE" guy to get this deadline and forcibly attempting to drive the price up on him. Again, Cam is very good, he's an excellent starter, but this isn't a guy who immediately comes onto a new team and reshapes how the whole organization runs. Seems like that's what's trying to be sold to us right now about him

I honestly would be surprised if anyone gives up two 1sts for him. I feel like one 1st and some 2nds is fair value for a good, roleplaying starter who would be the 5th or 6th best player on a great team.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I’m bored so let’s ruffle some feathers around here


Domantas Sabonis

for

Lauri Markkanen
Walker Kessler


If UTA doesn’t want to be a seller this offseason, they swap Markkanen for Sabonis knowing they have a young PF who is a a terrific fit on paper next to Sabonis (Hendricks) who can help unlock the potential of a team that has Sabonis at C. Also, outside of Flagg, all the top prospects seem to be PGs, SGs, and SFs so they can take BPA available while not worrying about their being a position overlap.

For SAC, it’s hard to acquire the right type of PF to put next to Sabonis as that archetype is extremely valuable in the league. With that in mind, they move Sabonis for another star player who is a better scorer/shooter who can be that 2nd option next to Fox long term. Kessler also fills their starting C hole long term and brings excellent size, length, defense, & rim protection. If we resign Lyles in the offseason, our roster heading into the 2025-26 season would be…

PG - Fox / Monk
SG - Ellis / Carter / Jones
SF - Murray / Huerter
PF - Markkanen / DeRozan
C - Kessler / Lyles

I hate to say it, but given the current rumor mill it would probably make more sense to draw up a Lauri/Fox trade than a Lauri/Domas trade.

 

[iowamcnabb]

Lauri has had a bit of a down year. It could be because they are tanking or maybe he isn’t healthy.

 

[twslam07]

I hate to say it, but given the current rumor mill it would probably make more sense to draw up a Lauri/Fox trade than a Lauri/Domas trade.

From a “who’s available” perspective, you may be right, but I don’t like the idea of a starting lineup that features Monk, Markkanen, and Sabonis (and DeRozan if you bench one of Ellis or Murray). That’s a lot of neglect defensively.

 

[The_Jamal]

From a “who’s available” perspective, you may be right, but I don’t like the idea of a starting lineup that features Monk, Markkanen, and Sabonis (and DeRozan if you bench one of Ellis or Murray). That’s a lot of neglect defensively.

I've honestly had the same thought about Lauri as he's probably the best "retool" option we'll have this off-season if it comes down to you have to trade Fox. Gives you 2 full-sized wings, one of the best spacing options available around Domas. Monk-Lauri-Domas is a super fun offensive trio and you can fit Keon-Keegan seamlessly inbetween those 3.

You'd have to commit to DDR off the bench, but it's an interesting thought. Certainly like that idea more than going for a rebuild package.

 

[ESP47]

Most of these trade ideas are downright depressing.

 

[twslam07]

I've honestly had the same thought about Lauri as he's probably the best "retool" option we'll have this off-season if it comes down to you have to trade Fox. Gives you 2 full-sized wings, one of the best spacing options available around Domas. Monk-Lauri-Domas is a super fun offensive trio and you can fit Keon-Keegan seamlessly inbetween those 3.

You'd have to commit to DDR off the bench, but it's an interesting thought. Certainly like that idea more than going for a rebuild package.

Yeah I just don’t like the the ceiling of a team that is starting Monk, Markkanen, & Sabonis. That leaves a lot to be desired defensively.

At least if we trade Monk/picks for Markkanen or trade Sabonis for Markkanen/Kessler, that only leaves us with (at most) 2 questionable defenders in the starting lineup. I like the fit of our roster better after these versions.

 

[The_Jamal]

Yeah I just don’t like the the ceiling of a team that is starting Monk, Markkanen, & Sabonis. That leaves a lot to be desired defensively.

At least if we trade Monk/picks for Markkanen or trade Sabonis for Markkanen/Kessler, that only leaves us with (at most) 2 questionable defenders in the starting lineup. I like the fit of our roster better after these versions.

Im just not trading Domas, outside of a full rebuild reset. He's signed long-term and frankly, he's just far more consistently great than Fox is over the last few years. Until you have Fox on the dotted line, I'm not making any sweeping team changes built around him. Just can't risk it.

 

[twslam07]

Im just not trading Domas, outside of a full rebuild reset. He's signed long-term and frankly, he's just far more consistently great than Fox is over the last few years. Until you have Fox on the dotted line, I'm not making any sweeping team changes built around him. Just can't risk it.

Well the trade would take place in the offseason and would only happen under the assumption that Fox is extending during that same offseason. So with that in mind, would make that trade?

 

[Joshyjosh31]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1877816854011330811

Okc is playing elite basketball and could add Chet, Caruso, and Cam at the all star break crap ain’t fair

https://twitter.com/statuses/1877819335089218005

 

[The_Jamal]

Well the trade would take place in the offseason and would only happen under the assumption that Fox is extending during that same offseason. So with that in mind, would make that trade?

No. Id rather move forward with monk/keon/DC at guard Keegan/lauri//ddr at wing and Domas at big. Super balanced with a ton of offensive firepower

 

[twslam07]

No. Id rather move forward with monk/keon/DC at guard Keegan/lauri//ddr at wing and Domas at big. Super balanced with a ton of offensive firepower

Well if we do either trade I mentioned above (Monk/Picks for Lauri or Sabonis for Lauri/Kessler), I think we…

1. Are more balanced than the roster you mentioned
2. Have a higher ceiling than the roster you mentioned

In the case of your preferred scenario of trading Fox for Lauri, I don’t think a team who’s top scorer is Lauri has a good shot at being a top team especially if that team is going to have 3 questionable defenders in the starting lineup (Monk, Markkanen, Sabonis) and potentially 4 questionable defenders if you decide to start DeRozan over Ellis or Murray. And just in general, the rotation you referenced really only has 3 good defenders (Ellis, Carter, & Murray). That doesn’t seem like a recipe for success.

 

[AaronPDX]

Even the suggestion of moving Sabonis I think would be a huge mistake.

 

[SacTownKid]

https://twitter.com/statuses/1877816854011330811

Okc is playing elite basketball and could add Chet, Caruso, and Cam at the all star break crap ain’t fair

https://twitter.com/statuses/1877819335089218005

Year X, and it goes around again, lol. It really makes me wonder if Kuzmas market is still so nonexistent that literally the only team that they can make other GM's believe have interest is the Kangz.

 

[twslam07]

Even the suggestion of moving Sabonis I think would be a huge mistake.

Why?

 

[The_Jamal]

Why?

He's signed longterm and he's our best player

 

[twslam07]

He's signed longterm and he's our best player

Again, the trade would only be happening in the offseason, we’d only be moving Sabonis if Fox is signing an extension that offseason, and we’d be receiving a star talent back who is also signed long term (he’s actually signed for 2 more years than Sabonis).

To be fair to myself, when I posted the idea I said it would ruffle some feathers

 

[cwebb2002]

And the other problem is that unlike someone like Ellis or Carter, if Kuz isn't scoring or doing something offensively, he's not doing anything else. Again, this is a career negative in +/- player. If these FO's actually do look at advanced stats they would be missing some important ones if they assume a high value on someone like Kuzma. This season he's had a rough start but he's at a -5.3 in BPM. That's crazy. Even Poole is slightly in the +. lol.

Brother if you arent willing to go all in now around fox with Durant, even if its with 3 FRP and carter (steep price, i get it), then just trade fox now. I dont get what package would be ok if your not willing to go in for an elite player in an effort to keep your elite 2 players. And frankly there is no more perfect a player next to fox and sabonis than durant. A guy who allows Keegs tk go back to the 3 and play elite 4s and 3s and be perimeter monster. He is a huge difference from DDR with respect to spacing and positioning.

But honestly if you/the team dont want to go all, in, i can get behind that but then get rid of fox while you can bring back the kind of haul that OKC got for PG13 and Westbrook. But gotta make a decision. If its time to end the Fox era, do it on a high note of getting propper return. Otherwise if you dont go all in now you may as well pack it in. Cuz short of going all in, he is for sure leaving.

And as a counter to your point of Fox leaving, he is under contract next year as well. So you have the luxury of going all in with Durant, Fox, and Sabonis, you will have both Fox and Durant signed through 2025-2026. If you dont think its working both would be good targets to get at least 5-7 picks out of before next years trade deadline.

 

[The_Jamal]

Again, the trade would only be happening in the offseason, we’d only be moving Sabonis if Fox is signing an extension that offseason, and we’d be receiving a star talent back who is also signed long term (he’s actually signed for 2 more years than Sabonis).

To be fair to myself, when I posted the idea I said it would ruffle some feathers

I just don't know if you'd get Walker AND Lauri for Domas, but that would be ok value.

Would you rather go Monk+2-3 FRP+probably DC or Keon or Fox straight up for Lauri? That's another angle I'm approaching this from in terms of long-term team building