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How do you justify not making a move cause you won some games it actually pisses me off to even think of that. Actually contenders are looking to get better every time regardless of winning streaks. OKC saw a weakness and instantly got Hartenstin and Caruso, Dallas saw a weakness mid season got gafford and PJ and we gave Monte excuses for not getting PJ when he would’ve been perfect. Here we are a non playoff team picking up Robin Lopez and cash considerations

OKC the best team in the west can “ride it out” because they have Caruso and there second best player Chet returning but no there in the Cam Johnson conversation. The only team that should be comfortable is Boston not the kings cause they won five games Monte better get fired if he doesn’t improve a team with multiple glaring weakness just cause we got closer to the tenth.
i think he will make a trade if he finds the right one. He just has to be pretty sure about it because we basically have access to only one or two first round picks unless we put no protections on them. If he does wait until the offseason and we stay out of the top 12 in the draft we would then have more ammo. The day after the draft we would have ‘26, ‘28,’30 and ‘32 first rounders plus we would regain control of 2 second rounders tied up in the Atlanta trade. That’s 4 first rounders and 3 seconds to move.

Again, maybe he decides to trade for Cam or Collins or Kuzma but there are some red flags with all those guys. I’d rather try to get Toppin/Nesmith in a package if the Pacers are serious about the Cam trade
 
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It is sort of a complicated situation to handle though. Because what's the move? Just start going down the line

Trade Fox? Eh, maybe if you can get a star wing or a bunch of draft capital coming back. Move forward with Monk/Carter/Keon. But just trading a top 15 player just to shake things up seems like a drastic move.

Trade Monk? Again, you could, but why? He's been awesome again this season and is on an incredible value contract.

Trade Keon or DC? Nope, don't trade 2 guys who can transform your defense on rookie deals. In Keon's case, he already has.

Trade Keegan? You could, but for what? He's such a key component of our defense and his down year offensively probably has his value muted. Like would anyone be happy if he was the piece that went out in a trade for Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson? I certainly wouldn't.

Trade Domas? No

Trade Lyles? Again, you could, but he's been awesome off the bench since he came back from injury. He's basically playing his role to perfection. In the right deal, you trade him of course, but he's not someone I'd trade just to trade.

Trade DDR? Not untradeable of course, but it'd be a little "off" to deal a guy like him 35 games into us signing him to the big contract. I feel like it's generally frowned upon to immediately go flip the guy you signed in FA, especially if your team isn't totally bad/out of the playoff hunt. This isn't 2K.

Huerter is the guy who needs to go, but we're also looking at a team situation here where we have 8 guys we feel pretty good about being the top of the rotation. Unless we want to trade a core rotation guy, there's not a whole lot of room here. If we could use him to shore up the back-up C and bring in a back-wing guy (thinking like Bob Williams+Thybulle, Martin+Richards sort of deals), that would be my vote for us to go after this deadline.
if we could adjust the pick protections on the Huerter deal to say top 8 protected in exchange for control over those second rounders tied up maybe we could then use 3 second rounders we would have to go get something in Portland. I think that would at least be worth considering.
 
It is sort of a complicated situation to handle though. Because what's the move? Just start going down the line

Trade Fox? Eh, maybe if you can get a star wing or a bunch of draft capital coming back. Move forward with Monk/Carter/Keon. But just trading a top 15 player just to shake things up seems like a drastic move.

Trade Monk? Again, you could, but why? He's been awesome again this season and is on an incredible value contract.

Trade Keon or DC? Nope, don't trade 2 guys who can transform your defense on rookie deals. In Keon's case, he already has.

Trade Keegan? You could, but for what? He's such a key component of our defense and his down year offensively probably has his value muted. Like would anyone be happy if he was the piece that went out in a trade for Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson? I certainly wouldn't.

Trade Domas? No

Trade Lyles? Again, you could, but he's been awesome off the bench since he came back from injury. He's basically playing his role to perfection. In the right deal, you trade him of course, but he's not someone I'd trade just to trade.

Trade DDR? Not untradeable of course, but it'd be a little "off" to deal a guy like him 35 games into us signing him to the big contract. I feel like it's generally frowned upon to immediately go flip the guy you signed in FA, especially if your team isn't totally bad/out of the playoff hunt. This isn't 2K.

Huerter is the guy who needs to go, but we're also looking at a team situation here where we have 8 guys we feel pretty good about being the top of the rotation. Unless we want to trade a core rotation guy, there's not a whole lot of room here. If we could use him to shore up the back-up C and bring in a back-wing guy (thinking like Bob Williams+Thybulle, Martin+Richards sort of deals), that would be my vote for us to go after this deadline.
Huerter and Lyle’s are both movable and huerter should be moved. We still lack size Huerter and picks should be able to get something we’re in tenth place acting like we’re a top four team frankly it’s embarrassing if we stand pat. Fox even sees this nonsense now I’m glad klutch did the meeting imagine how he felt seeing other teams get better and we got cash considerations
 
Goodbey Kev, Hello Swarthy Lithuanian monsters for 48 minutes a night. (Bey is just a throw in/buy low piece who’s missed the entire year with a knee injury but could be good wing depth IF he gets healthy again)
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Not Bey, Champagnie. Super good rebounder at the wing spot, shooting 39% from 3 on 3.7 3PA. Still pretty much a rookie in terms of his NBA time and been really productive on a bad team this year.
 
i think he will make a trade if he finds the right one. He just has to be pretty sure about it because we basically have access to only one or two first round picks unless we put no protections on them. If he does wait until the offseason and we stay out of the top 12 in the draft we would then have more ammo. The day after the draft we would have ‘26, ‘28,’30 and ‘32 first rounders plus we would regain control of 2 second rounders tied up in the Atlanta trade. That’s 4 first rounders and 3 seconds to move.

Again, maybe he decides to trade for Cam or Collins or Kuzma but there are some red flags with all those guys. I’d rather try to get Toppin/Nesmith in a package if the Pacers are serious about the Cam trade
We stand pass on the trade deadline and flame out in the play in we can say bye to Fox I don’t see how he stays missing the playoffs while never making moves
 
Not Bey, Champagnie. Super good rebounder at the wing spot, shooting 39% from 3 on 3.7 3PA. Still pretty much a rookie in terms of his NBA time and been really productive on a bad team this year.
Goodbey Kev, Hello Swarthy Lithuanian monsters for 48 minutes a night. (Bey is just a throw in/buy low piece who’s missed the entire year with a knee injury but could be good wing depth IF he gets healthy again)
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Corey Kispert is another player we could target from Washington, a very good shooter with decent size
 
Huerter and Lyle’s are both movable and huerter should be moved. We still lack size Huerter and picks should be able to get something we’re in tenth place acting like we’re a top four team frankly it’s embarrassing if we stand pat. Fox even sees this nonsense now I’m glad klutch did the meeting imagine how he felt seeing other teams get better and we got cash considerations
Well duh. All I'm saying is outside of Huerter, there's not REALLY anyone we're itching to trade just to trade.
 
We stand pass on the trade deadline and flame out in the play in we can say bye to Fox I don’t see how he stays missing the playoffs while never making moves
it’s a possibility. I think it’s going to come down to the trajectory of the team. Is Fox excited about Doug? Is he excited about being surrounded with Dawg defenders like Keon and Devin that make his job easier? My guess is a John Collins or Cam Johnson addition isn’t going to be a deal maker for Fox. And hey if he still wants to go we will just have to deal with that then.
 
So are you looking for a major shake-up? Or say we deal Huerter and change for Jval and change. Does that qualify as "enough" of a move for you?
We don’t need a major shake up Huerter for Val works we need size center or big wing we need one or the other.


it’s a possibility. I think it’s going to come down to the trajectory of the team. Is Fox excited about Doug? Is he excited about being surrounded with Dawg defenders like Keon and Devin that make his job easier? My guess is a John Collins or Cam Johnson addition isn’t going to be a deal maker for Fox. And hey if he still wants to go we will just have to deal with that then.
I think Cam makes us a dangerous team and we can win a series or two depending on matchups. If monk can be convinced to coke off the bench and get added Cam that’s two elite players off the bench to go along with Carter while balancing out the starting lineup
 
How do you justify not making a move cause you won some games it actually pisses me off to even think of that. Actually contenders are looking to get better every time regardless of winning streaks. OKC saw a weakness and instantly got Hartenstin and Caruso, Dallas saw a weakness mid season got gafford and PJ and we gave Monte excuses for not getting PJ when he would’ve been perfect. Here we are a non playoff team picking up Robin Lopez and cash considerations

OKC the best team in the west can “ride it out” because they have Caruso and there second best player Chet returning but no there in the Cam Johnson conversation. The only team that should be comfortable is Boston not the kings cause they won five games Monte better get fired if he doesn’t improve a team with multiple glaring weakness just cause we got closer to the tenth.
Contenders know what they are, the Kings don't yet. I don't how a GM that adds a team altering piece like DeRozan doesn't at least give it a season before putting on the finishing touches. Teams get into trouble the most when they just add, add, and add and use big money or value to do it assuming they're finished. Look at the Suns. Look at the Kings when they ran it back. Now the Suns were in a place of desperation that the Kings aren't necessarily but if your finishing touches lock you in and you aren't at the peak of where you need to be, you're basically just as stuck. PJ would have been a nice get for sure, but the get is still DeRozan for better or worse.
 
It is sort of a complicated situation to handle though. Because what's the move? Just start going down the line

Trade Fox? Eh, maybe if you can get a star wing or a bunch of draft capital coming back. Move forward with Monk/Carter/Keon. But just trading a top 15 player just to shake things up seems like a drastic move.

Trade Monk? Again, you could, but why? He's been awesome again this season and is on an incredible value contract.

Trade Keon or DC? Nope, don't trade 2 guys who can transform your defense on rookie deals. In Keon's case, he already has.

Trade Keegan? You could, but for what? He's such a key component of our defense and his down year offensively probably has his value muted. Like would anyone be happy if he was the piece that went out in a trade for Jerami Grant or Cam Johnson? I certainly wouldn't.

Trade Domas? No

Trade Lyles? Again, you could, but he's been awesome off the bench since he came back from injury. He's basically playing his role to perfection. In the right deal, you trade him of course, but he's not someone I'd trade just to trade.

Trade DDR? Not untradeable of course, but it'd be a little "off" to deal a guy like him 35 games into us signing him to the big contract. I feel like it's generally frowned upon to immediately go flip the guy you signed in FA, especially if your team isn't totally bad/out of the playoff hunt. This isn't 2K.

Huerter is the guy who needs to go, but we're also looking at a team situation here where we have 8 guys we feel pretty good about being the top of the rotation. Unless we want to trade a core rotation guy, there's not a whole lot of room here. If we could use him to shore up the back-up C and bring in a back-wing guy (thinking like Bob Williams+Thybulle, Martin+Richards sort of deals), that would be my vote for us to go after this deadline.
And the great thing about a Fox trade is now Monte at least has some decent intel on what the team left in it's wake might or might not look like. If Monte couldn't work out an immediate star for star trade, he has enough talent here to maybe stack draft capital and wait for opportunity while raising the value of the players still on the team.
 

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If we find a deal for Kev without giving up first round picks that isn't a guard I think we should take it even if we "lose" the trade. This includes a straight up Kuzma swap though I find him distasteful. Otherwise we should just reduce his role as we move forward with Keon and Carter and see if someone will take him as an ender in the offseason and use the MLE (we'll have both exceptions next year?).
 
We stand pass on the trade deadline and flame out in the play in we can say bye to Fox I don’t see how he stays missing the playoffs while never making moves
Monte still has time. I wouldn't suggest waiting beyond draft night but if you make a big move on a non needle mover, use a first rounder to do it, still don't win, and Fox is still out then what? The downside is beyond the upside IMO.
 
We don’t need a major shake up Huerter for Val works we need size center or big wing we need one or the other.




I think Cam makes us a dangerous team and we can win a series or two depending on matchups. If monk can be convinced to coke off the bench and get added Cam that’s two elite players off the bench to go along with Carter while balancing out the starting lineup
So that’s where Malik gets his energy from, got it!…lol
 

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Monte still has time. I wouldn't suggest waiting beyond draft night but if you make a big move on a non needle mover, use a first rounder to do it, still don't win, and Fox is still out then what? The downside is beyond the upside IMO.
I think if Fox won't sign an extension we have to move him. I assume he can still get his stupid Super Max if he doesn't hit but does next year and we keep him?

I love Fox but don't want to pay him the dang thing. And if he can't make a commitment beyond next season in June or July he needs to be moved on draft night.

I am all for keeping him if we reach the post season or he'll sign a non super deal.
 
No one is trading two future unprotected firsts for Cam. And if they are protected you could make an argument that 2 protected firsts are worth less than one protected first and a good young prospect like Carter (depending on the protections of course.) Evan is framing that as a reduced rate and I don’t think it is.
 

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No one is trading two future unprotected firsts for Cam. And if they are protected you could make an argument that 2 protected firsts are worth less than one protected first and a good young prospect like Carter (depending on the protections of course.) Evan is framing that as a reduced rate and I don’t think it is.
this dude sucks.
 
No one is trading two future unprotected firsts for Cam. And if they are protected you could make an argument that 2 protected firsts are worth less than one protected first and a good young prospect like Carter (depending on the protections of course.) Evan is framing that as a reduced rate and I don’t think it is.
Yeah, I would think getting a top prospect is a bigger good luck on that than the pick. Can't see it.
 
Again, I'm very confident Huerter+13 for Cam was probably on the table this off-season. Cam's had a monster year and Huerter's regressed, so the "price" has gone up on him. But I think Monte's shown how much he truly values Carter.

You just can't do it. Even if it's for the simple fact that Fox's contract situation is still in flux. What happens if you make this deal and then Fox still wants out this off-season? Oops.
 
I think if Fox won't sign an extension we have to move him. I assume he can still get his stupid Super Max if he doesn't hit but does next year and we keep him?

I love Fox but don't want to pay him the dang thing. And if he can't make a commitment beyond next season in June or July he needs to be moved on draft night.

I am all for keeping him if we reach the post season or he'll sign a non super deal.
didn't Brunson take a significant pay cut with the Knicks in order for them to build out the rest of the roster? do we think Fox would take this approach?