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This Friday...ultraman206 said:
Petries next move for a big man?
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Bricklayer
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I fear SAR, and now more recently Walker. They make so much sense if all you're concerned about is offense. My hope is that with the Maloofs publicly lobbying for defense that Geoff is forced to consider the issue at the PF spot now. My fear is that he and Rick (if he has any input) just go out and sign an undersized/soft PF because he can score in so many pretty ways, and then decide to fix the defense by Rick saying "ok guys, we need you to defend" in training camp.
Miller/Thomas/Peja/Garcia/Bibby or Miller/Rahim/Peja/Garcia/Bibby or Miller/Walker/Peja/Garcia/Bibby etc. etc. are all bad bad defensive teams with the best shotblocker a skinny OG who may have problems staying in front of his own man. Yet they are all scary possibilities.
Meanwhile:
Swift would give us a serious boost of what we need (athleticism/shotblocking), but is still immature and not terribly bright. Bad fit for the offense, but should that matter at this point when you are trying to improve the other side of the ball? Also seems out of our price range with teams like Cleveland and Milwaulkee able to sign him outright for big money.
Brown is of course a giant risk. A project that would make sense to bring off the bench and hope he really blossoms, but not a guy you can depend upon to be your starter unless you are in full rebuilding mode. Also really not a tough guy banger or huge shotblocker, but better in those areas than what we have and with more size.
Magliore is a C, so Brad moves to PF, and we get very very slow. Tough banger, but actually not much of a shotblocker. An idea, but the footspeed up front would be a real problem.
Wright is so middling anymore its not funny. Tall, but doesn't block many shots at this point and is just a totally average big man. Not worth it.
Boozer is another undersized guy who can't block shots. Think a major reason why he is out of favor so quickly in Utah. At least he seems fairly tough and a couple of years ago looked like he could be a major rebounder with a post game. With Brad's problematic lack of shotblocking, he is a bad fit and we are again likely a bad defensive crew. But at least he's not both undersized AND soft.
There are a reason most of those guys are available.
Miller/Thomas/Peja/Garcia/Bibby or Miller/Rahim/Peja/Garcia/Bibby or Miller/Walker/Peja/Garcia/Bibby etc. etc. are all bad bad defensive teams with the best shotblocker a skinny OG who may have problems staying in front of his own man. Yet they are all scary possibilities.
Meanwhile:
Swift would give us a serious boost of what we need (athleticism/shotblocking), but is still immature and not terribly bright. Bad fit for the offense, but should that matter at this point when you are trying to improve the other side of the ball? Also seems out of our price range with teams like Cleveland and Milwaulkee able to sign him outright for big money.
Brown is of course a giant risk. A project that would make sense to bring off the bench and hope he really blossoms, but not a guy you can depend upon to be your starter unless you are in full rebuilding mode. Also really not a tough guy banger or huge shotblocker, but better in those areas than what we have and with more size.
Magliore is a C, so Brad moves to PF, and we get very very slow. Tough banger, but actually not much of a shotblocker. An idea, but the footspeed up front would be a real problem.
Wright is so middling anymore its not funny. Tall, but doesn't block many shots at this point and is just a totally average big man. Not worth it.
Boozer is another undersized guy who can't block shots. Think a major reason why he is out of favor so quickly in Utah. At least he seems fairly tough and a couple of years ago looked like he could be a major rebounder with a post game. With Brad's problematic lack of shotblocking, he is a bad fit and we are again likely a bad defensive crew. But at least he's not both undersized AND soft.
There are a reason most of those guys are available.
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ParniValjak
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Of course it should matter.Bricklayer said:
I am all for improving defence and getting a shot blocking and rebounding mean machine at the PF spot but please lets get someone who can also fit into the offence.
Yes I want us to improve our defence and be a good defensive team BUT why exactly do we have to urinate our offence into the wind so we get better defensively. Offence is a pretty important part of basketball as is defence. Why can't we be good at both??????
Personally, I think we should get someone who would bring positives at both ends of the court. Swift is just not the sort of player that would fit into our team all that well. Even though he gets his blocks he still is a pretty average defender and rebounder.
I would like us to get someone else that would bring positives at both ends of the floor rather than sacrificing offence to get defence. One defensive monster doesn't instantly make us a defensive force. We need the whole team to play hard D. If we can actually work on out TEAM defence during summer we would be better off.
I will continue saying get Eddie Griffin. You can get him with MLE. He will give you defense and he can shoot - Adelman will use him. The only his defensive weakness - pick-n-roll that Kings really exposed.
Here's an article that shows you all his minuses and pluses: http://citypages.com/databank/25/1255/article12798.asp
You should however understand that it was written after two months of his playing. He really improves during the season.
Here's an article that shows you all his minuses and pluses: http://citypages.com/databank/25/1255/article12798.asp
You should however understand that it was written after two months of his playing. He really improves during the season.
Bricklayer
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Čarolija said:
That oft repeated observation is pretty much tautological. Of course "team defense" would make us better. But it still won't come close to making us good defensively in and of itself. People just cling to it out of some desperate instinct to try to have their cake and eat it too. Have all of the softy shooters we inexplicably love AND magically get defense too! Cool plan. Unfortunately not how it works. This isn't pee wee or rec league -- these guys have been playing basketball for decades now. There's no magic wand you wave to get a leopard to change its spots after that long. However, if you are looking for stripes instead, you CAN go out and get yourself a tiger (whether it be a knucklehead like Swift or not).
To the best of my knowledge there has never been, and never will be, a top defensive squad thast doesn't actually have top defenders on it. And we have none right now. Furthermore our offense has been an end to a means, not the means itself. The means is susposed to be winning. The team is in transition. Exactly three guys have been with the team more than two years. Almost anything you do to make this team an elite squad again is valid at this point (aside from hire PJ
). And if it means we have to alter or even scrap (unlikely) the Princeton in the absence of Webb/Vlade and in need of defensive forces, then so be it. A couple of years back, I wouldn't have said that. We had a championship level squad that played a particular style, and making moves to disrupt that would have been dumb. But that time is past. We have no style now aside from a preference for soft jumpers and an aversion to defense. Continuing to mindlessly seek out "system" players after the system has lost the cogs that made it work so well in the first place is dubious at best. We need defenders, inside players, athletes, and the odds of those guys also having nice jumpers, ballhandling, passing, high bball IQs etc. as well is quite low or they would be future HOFs and just about untouchable (ala Garnett).
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Bricklayer
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Gilles said:
Eddie is an interesting possibility that I wouldn't mind seeing us explore. But again realistically as a backup. And his problem is he's had severe emotional issues throughout his life and could seriously blow up in your face.
Of all the guys:
Stromile Swift plays suspect one-on-one defense and doesn't have a jumper, average rebounder. Expects to get more than MLE. Memphis expressed its unwillingness to make S&T.
Kwame Brown plays lazy defense, very bad shot-blocker(0.36bl in 21.6 min), same in rebounding as Stro is (he makes 0.7reb more but total number of rebounds both teams grab 5.6 reb more in case of Washington). Yes, he gives you inside presense. Already got a qualif. offer. S&T - the only option.
Antoine Walker plays suspect D. Offensively in current "system" makes mush sense and that's a real threat he may be here come the start of the season.
Just say here totally soft team doesn't have a chance to win it all unless it has MUCH, VERY MUCH luck. Really hope somebody would want to pay him more than MLE so that Kings won't even have a chance.
Sharif Abdur-Rahim is actually same as Walker, probably even worse D than him.
Jamaal Magloire - 22 games played this year. Imagine that both him and Brad get injured. No, thanks.
Carlos Boozer - undersized and even worse shot-blocker than Kwame is, good rebounder. Will bring you real inside threat. Don't see a way to acquire him without splitting the "core". In that case no, thanks.
Lorenzo Wright - average shot-blocking, decent rebounding, probably in the prime of his career, nothing really special.
Stromile Swift plays suspect one-on-one defense and doesn't have a jumper, average rebounder. Expects to get more than MLE. Memphis expressed its unwillingness to make S&T.
Kwame Brown plays lazy defense, very bad shot-blocker(0.36bl in 21.6 min), same in rebounding as Stro is (he makes 0.7reb more but total number of rebounds both teams grab 5.6 reb more in case of Washington). Yes, he gives you inside presense. Already got a qualif. offer. S&T - the only option.
Antoine Walker plays suspect D. Offensively in current "system" makes mush sense and that's a real threat he may be here come the start of the season.
Just say here totally soft team doesn't have a chance to win it all unless it has MUCH, VERY MUCH luck. Really hope somebody would want to pay him more than MLE so that Kings won't even have a chance.
Sharif Abdur-Rahim is actually same as Walker, probably even worse D than him.
Jamaal Magloire - 22 games played this year. Imagine that both him and Brad get injured. No, thanks.
Carlos Boozer - undersized and even worse shot-blocker than Kwame is, good rebounder. Will bring you real inside threat. Don't see a way to acquire him without splitting the "core". In that case no, thanks.
Lorenzo Wright - average shot-blocking, decent rebounding, probably in the prime of his career, nothing really special.
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FrenchCanadianKING
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We should give a 10 day contract to Bill Russell at the start of next season and see if he can still block shots and shut down opponents around the cup.
Bricklayer
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FrenchCanadianKING said:
In think the Kings as a franchise have had about enough of Bill Russell to last us a lifetime.
FrenchCanadianKING
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yeah, you're probably right! 
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As you can see i'm new on this website and I tried putting up a pic and it said that it had to be in JPG or something like that. Not really a computer kind of guy as you can see. Can somebody please tell me how I can put my picture up? (the size is already 100x100)
If it's true that Eddy Curry is available, he's our guy. I don't know who we have to offer that would make that happen, but he's a much better option than anyone else who's been mentioned. Even with the heart problems.
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hrdboild said:
Yeah, bringing a guy with known heart problems to the Kings...
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Sorry but if I was Eddie Curry I'd be running the other direction. With the Kings proclivity for catastrophic injuries at the worst possible time I don't even want to think about what Curry could suffer.
Oh come now, you don't really believe it's a curse do you? He's no more likely to suffer heart problems as a King than with any other team. Not that it shouldn't be a factor. If the Bulls are willing to trade their 22 year old center who's been an important part of the team, you have to wonder how severe his heart problems are.
FrenchCanadianKING said:
Most photo editing programs have an option to save a photo as a different file type (using a different compression calculation/algorithm). Open the picture in the program, use the "Save As" feature, and look for an option to change the file type. JPG or JPEG should be one of the options.
If you are using Microsoft Windows, the Microsoft Paint program can do this (at least the version I have in WinXP).
Hope that helps. Good luck.
Bricklayer
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hrdboild said:
Curry's rep is as a soft, lazy player who uses his bulk on offense, but not necessarily on defense, might be the worst pound for pound rebounder in the history of the NBA, and doesn't block shots at 7'0" tall.
People are appropriately impressed with his ability to score in the post -- he is prolific in an area where we really need help. But that is literally ALL he does. He is almost as much of a specialist as Steve Kerr was. A new Duckworth for Adelman? A new Antoine Carr for us?
SacTownKid
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I say move Brad over to PF, let him take over Webbs duties and put Tag next to him. It looked real promising in the playoffs last year. Our two big country boys could get er' done!
I guess I am the only one that think Toine may be a good idea! Of course if he makes less that 7 mil. a year. Adelman, as much as I complain about his possible lack of defensive emphasis, he without a doubt is the best coach at being to bring out the best qualities in supposed "lost causes". Rick is a brilliant individual.
I guess I am the only one that think Toine may be a good idea! Of course if he makes less that 7 mil. a year. Adelman, as much as I complain about his possible lack of defensive emphasis, he without a doubt is the best coach at being to bring out the best qualities in supposed "lost causes". Rick is a brilliant individual.
Entity
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Bricklayer said:
I half joking yet half really wanting to know you answer when i ask this. Is there anybody in the NBA that can meet YOUR standards at PF. Aside from Garnnett and Duncan you have found every flaw in any names mentioned at PF. or you say we can't get thme. Frankly we are all running out of names and ideas. Just wondering who we have to get or just mention that you will come back and say, "Yes that is one of the best players for us at the PF position and we can get him."
Bricklayer said:
Duckworth nothing, he was a garbageman, like Jerome James. Curry is a reliable post scorer, and a legit C. Of the Bulls big men I would prefer Chandler, but if Petrie got Curry into the fold I would be ecstatic. We are not going to vault back into contention in just one off-season, and what I am looking for is significant strides forward and a talent base that is not married to the Princeton O(dead system). Clearly, Curry is not a Princeton O type of center.
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Venom said:
Duckworth was far more than a garbageman on offense at least. Two time All-Star (questionable), best season an 18pt 8reb sort of guy. He's actually a pretty close compariosn when it comes to defense/rebounding/body. Difference would be that Duck scored on more faceup jumpers than Curry.
As for Curry himself -- despite the offense, he's nto showed he can make a real difference on a game. When ALL you are getting is post scoring, the guy can't step out, never passes even if doubled, and plays small ont he other end of the court, how well off are you really? He's kind of a very specialized roleplayer, and doesn't help much unless he's getting the ball every time down the floor. If he's not your #1 option when he's on the floor, he might not even be in the top half of centers in the league you would want off the ball.
I stand corrected on Duckworth. I just remember him being so darn mechanical out there, no fluidity to his game. I still like Curry, he's a load on the block. Shaq had to learn how to recognize and pass out of a double team. The important thing is that he draws one. We don't currently have a post player good enough to garner that kind of respect. As for the defense, yes, he is underwhelming.
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Entity said:
That's actually an interesting question without an easy answer. But let's assume for a moment that we are dead serious about keeping our "core" -- its no great secret that their downside is that they are all degrees of soft, unathletic, and unable to create their own shot. If they are really all going to be there eating up an enormous chunk of our minutes, it dictates what you have to do with the rest of the roster if you're serious about winning. They have the shooting covered, but have big glaring weaknesses that you have to try to cover up. And of course if we refuse to consider moving any of the core, it also dramatically limits the pool of guys you can realistically get your hands on.
Now if we were to move one or more of them, that opens things up to a wider variety of guys. If we had a center who blocked 3 shots a game, maybe you can get away with a non-shotblocking PF. If you have a board mashing hustle payer at SF, maybe you can go for a more skilled softer guy at PF.
But let's assume the core is back, let's also assume that the OG position is going to belong to the kids next year (and correspondingly I think realistically that means we aren't really trying to win it all next season and are willing to take a few years to develop).
1) Keeper: Skinner -- like his size, toughness and mentality as a PF, (not at center Rick!). He fits what we need, albeit as a backup. The rest of the PFs should be moved/replaced.
2) Names that have been interesting:
Young talent
Nene -- not sure if he's still available, size and talent to potentially be special, not a hardnosed basher, but physical, plays in the post, started reboudning and blocking shots last year, has ball skills. Young guy, but if we are willing to wait on the OGs, maybe PF too.
Kwame -- knucklehead with size and potential, would not want to risk him starting. Not a basher or tough guy, but has shown flashes of being good boarder and solid shotblocker, when he cares, and might still blossom into an inside/ouside force for somebdy.
E. Griffin -- another troubled knucklehead, but a lot of length/size/talent, shotblocking, and inside/outside potential on offense if he ever got it. Flawed, doesn't pass, but might be worth the risk of implosion as a backup who could be starter.
Darko -- obviously only as backup, but when somebody is picked #2 and billed as potentially an Euro Garnett, I would take the risk if I could get my hands on him relatively cheaply.
Swift -- likely out of our price range, and I have some questions. Defintely has the athleticism and potential to be a major shtoblocker for a PF that we could use, but might just be a 16 and 8 guy who does it via athleticism, and for lack of a better word is dumb.
Bashers/Growing a Pair Options
Gadzuric -- Restricted FA more of a backup C, but huge rebounder/shotblocker whihc is exactly what we need
R. Evans -- Restricted FA the ultimate anti-King hustle hero, to tell you the truth I have very little doubt that Geoff/Rick cannto see the value in this style of player and would never consider him. Must have mystified them how his team whipped ours out of the playoffs.
Chandler -- again a restircted FA and shotblocker/rebounder, and likely no hope there as Chicago will probably match anything put up.
Major Players
Garnett -- likely a pipedream, will put down the pipe at the end of the offseason
Brand -- undersized again, but obviously plays much bigger with shotblocking, rebounding, post game -- grow him 3 inches and he'd be perfect.
There are more I am no doubt forgetting, but if any of those names showed up in Sacto I would at the very least be intrigued. But its tough if the core is going to stay intact. You are reduced to either picking up softy losers or taking chances on young guys. As long as we are not trying to win it all next year, I'd much rather go with the young guys and hope we hit the jackpot then treading water with a soft castoff.
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