HereWeBoogie
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well they could film it 20 times until they get the outcome they desire.... 

The Lakers will always get what they want anyway so it's not worth worrying about.
If they don't get a top pick they'll land a huge free agent.
I'd flip the tables on Denver...Mudiay for Lawson AND 7th pick. If they say no, we still get MudiayProbably trying to distance himself from PDA. Doesn't want to be hated - wants to be a super-fan.![]()
If Mudiay drops, selling him to Denver looks like a natural idea. Lawson can't turnaround at this point.
This year it won't be an OR situation; it'll be an AND situation. Stupid Lakers.
I've said it twice and I'll say it a third time: #2peatNow we all need to go to Summer League to see them play: Stockton/RayMac, Nik, Moreland, WCS (assuming...) which could be an awesome set of pieces.
well the pick was just about what we all expected.... Mostly because the lottery is rigged. If it aint rigged why do they do it behind closed doors. Everyone in the room is beholden to the NBA. It certainly seems like a rigged scenario. And the fact that big market teams seem to always get great draft picks is a red flag... Lakers score AGAIN ! Kings get butkiss...
Here is the video of the drawing:
http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2015/05/19/2015-draft-lottery-drawing.nba/
While NOTHING is impossible, it looks to me like this would be very, very, very, very hard to fix. The ball which is selected is not selected by hand, it is selected by "air", and the number on the ball is visible while it is still in a "cage" before it can be touched. Can sleight-of-hand fix this? I doubt it, not with a video camera directly on the machine and thousands of NBA fans scouring the video desperate to catch them out. Can the ping pong ball machine be rigged to give the balls that the NBA wants? How? Those balls are getting mixed about like crazy. And it's not just one ball - it's four, because it's a combination.
I don't see how the NBA can possibly be more transparent about the drawing, and I don't really see how they can do it in such a way as to create less suspicion. But people will be suspicious anyway, that's just the way it is.
Yeah, but I'm not drafting a 2 or a 3. There's simply no way I'm taking a SG in a third straight draft nor am I taking a SF with Rudy here.
I've noticed this forum is quite anti-Euros. Only a handful have said they'd even consider drafting Porzingis yet if he comes near filling his potential he'd fill major weaknesses on both ends of the floor and pair extremely well with Cuz. For all the talk of wanting a shotblocker, he has extreme upside as an off the ball shotblocker. And what's holding him back from defending the post? His body maturing. That's it. He has the other tools. Could be a bust, but every year there's Americans which are busts at the top of the draft but it never carries the same bias as with Euros.
There are a nice sum of mock drafts with Mudiay falling to the Kings. However, in those same ones, WCS gets drafted to Orlando.
If Mudiay fell to the Kings and WCS was still on the board, I'd draft Mudiay at 6 then trade pieces of McLemore+McCallum+filters to the Hornets at 9 for WCS.
or if he wasn't on the board, I'd still look to draft Kaminsky, Turner, or Lyles.
Curious, would anyone oppose the Kings trading a package of McLemore for a 1st round pick?
Assuming we draft WCS at #6 and traded the package for a PG or a SF? (Grant, Payne, Wright, Johnson, Oubre, RHJ)
Agreed. And for some reason I don't believe Divac has that bias. Maybe because he was one highly skilled Euro. In fact, maybe on the margin, he has a bias toward Euros. Karl has talked about the fact that Euros are generally more skilled than American players, and Karl yearns for highly skilled players. If all other things are equal, why wouldn't you choose a more skilled Euro over a less skilled American player? Also, consider that time is of the essence. There isn't the time to draft a less-skilled American and develop his skills because of the risk of losing Cousins, so why not draft a more skilled Euro who will take less time to develop?
Agreed. And for some reason I don't believe Divac has that bias. Maybe because he was one highly skilled Euro. In fact, maybe on the margin, he has a bias toward Euros. Karl has talked about the fact that Euros are generally more skilled than American players, and Karl yearns for highly skilled players. If all other things are equal, why wouldn't you choose a more skilled Euro over a less skilled American player? Also, consider that time is of the essence. There isn't the time to draft a less-skilled American and develop his skills because of the risk of losing Cousins, so why not draft a more skilled Euro who will take less time to develop?
I doubt the Hornets would want McLemore given a shot at WCS, Ray is not much incentive to add either....This would be the equivalent of them saying to us if WCS was on the table and we were picking 9 hey I'll give you Vonleh, some fillers, and a most likely destined to be off the bench role player on a budget deal, you'd laugh and hang up the phone.
Personally I'd rather keep McLemore rather than develop someone else, even if they seem promising, if anything with McLemore I'd target a veteran possibly.
Actually that's exactly the argument against Euros in this context. The young ones at least often spend time abroad before coming over, and/or take several years building up their bodies (does nobody in the entire European continent own a weight set??) before they are ready. Its also why WCS has an appeal. Youth does not fit our roster, not if we want to win here. But a 22yr old guy, IF he can do the things you think he can, can step right in. Once upon a time in the bad ole days all rookies came in at 22, and they could walk right into a starting lineup and compete.
Basically we need help now, we can't wait, and we can't come out of this lottery like we did last year with no help coming from maybe our biggest asset this summer. Guy who can contribute now, or trade the pick for a guy who can contribute now. Getting a guy who can contribute in 3 years does nothing for us except give us another kid to watch after we lose Cousins and are on our way to our 15th straight losing season.
The envelope was bent in 85 before being placed inside, it was not frozen.
TBH Brick I'm very surprised you haven't been more vocal about WCS. Have you watched him play?
You were a big proponent of Drummond who showed significantly less. Of course Drummond had the huge body to go along with the athleticism. But defensively, WCS is far ahead of him, just as tall and long, and probably a better athlete overall. Give WCS a jumper, which I don't think is out of the question at all, and he's pretty much the ideal fit next to Cousins.
This is of course the enduring "the lotto is rigged" example. There's enough there to raise an eyebrow, but perhaps not more than that.
Bottom line: That happened 30 years ago, using a completely different system that did have fairly simple potential avenues for tampering, and if it was in fact fixed it was done by a commissioner who is no longer in office. We can probably safely let that one go at this point. The relevance to the modern lottery is almost zero.
I think if we weren't in a bit of an urgency for playoffs next year, I would've saw Hezonja and Porzingis very high possible chances of being drafted by the Kings. However, I think we will pass on both of them because it's unsure when they'll come over and how long they'll take to adjusts. I think Euro prospects benefit a it more playing overseas. They're more craftier than American players, and I think it might have something to due with how the game is played in Europe.
I think we have our own European-ish Lithuianian-Canadian player in Nik Stauskas. It'll be very interesting to see what Karl will be able to do with Nik. He has all of the skills he said he wants from a player. Scoring and passing without dominating the ball.
There are a nice sum of mock drafts with Mudiay falling to the Kings. However, in those same ones, WCS gets drafted to Orlando.
If Mudiay fell to the Kings and WCS was still on the board, I'd draft Mudiay at 6 then trade pieces of McLemore+McCallum+filters to the Hornets at 9 for WCS.
or if he wasn't on the board, I'd still look to draft Kaminsky, Turner, or Lyles.
Curious, would anyone oppose the Kings trading a package of McLemore for a 1st round pick?
Assuming we draft WCS at #6 and traded the package for a PG or a SF? (Grant, Payne, Wright, Johnson, Oubre, RHJ)
Actually that's exactly the argument against Euros in this context. The young ones at least often spend time abroad before coming over, and/or take several years building up their bodies (does nobody in the entire European continent own a weight set??) before they are ready. Its also why WCS has an appeal. Youth does not fit our roster, not if we want to win here. But a 22yr old guy, IF he can do the things you think he can, can step right in. Once upon a time in the bad ole days all rookies came in at 22, and they could walk right into a starting lineup and compete.
Basically we need help now, we can't wait, and we can't come out of this lottery like we did last year with no help coming from maybe our biggest asset this summer. Guy who can contribute now, or trade the pick for a guy who can contribute now. Getting a guy who can contribute in 3 years does nothing for us except give us another kid to watch after we lose Cousins and are on our way to our 15th straight losing season.
The strength issue is a fair point, especially with respect to Porzingas, not so much Hezonja. But it's not like WCS is beefy. Also, WCS is going to help immediately on D in my view, at least with weak side D, (maybe not one-on-one D in the post) but hurt immediately on O because he isn't skilled. WCS is not an offensively skilled college player, so you can use your imagination for what he's going to be like in his rookie year in the NBA.
That could be. I think the Kings are in a tough spot. Unless they go a fairly radical roué and trade Gay, they don't have much ammo to get impactful players even with a #6 pick in the draft.