Ongoing draft/lottery discussion [OPEN SPOILERS]

[Bricklayer]

What the NFL does. There are no stupid ping pong balls.
Worst get the first and it goes from there.

no, you can't do that in the NBA or it makes the terrible Sixers tanking look like child's play. Wait until the next time there is a Lebron in the draft and you have no lottery. Half the league will be signing grandmas out of Aunt Edna's AARP Ladies Baskeketball League to start games by November.

Historically what happened was that the Houston Rockets got the #1 pick and took Ralph Sampson. Then they saw Hakeem Olajuwon popping up in the next draft and so they basically blatantly threw games to get the worst record. If they had to score on their own hoop, fake an injury, have half their team high on coke, didn't matter. So the lottery was instituted to try to put a stop to that level of nonsense.

 

[hrdboild]

Let me put it this way: if the top 5 goes as DraftExpress currently has it mocked (Towns, Okafor, Russell, Mudiay, Hezonja) and you asked me if the best player in the draft ultimately comes from those 5 players or the rest of the field, I would bet on the field. It'll be up to our scouts to pick the right player out of those remaining. I feel very strongly though that somebody drafted 6 or below will wind up being the best player in this draft. I'm not blown away by any of the consensus top players here and I think there are some rawer talents with huge potential in the mid-lottery.

 

[Merdiesel]

It's time this front office to trade the pick, open the check book and change the losing culture for this team. I'm so tired of this bull**** here in Sac. It's like our rebuild got stuck in a God damn time warp. We've got a top 5 guy in Cousins, blow up everything around him and get some damn talent here to better compliment him. He's our best chance to get our team out of this living hell.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Not sure there's anyone reasonably available for trade that I like better than WCS, assuming he's there at 6. Just relieved we didn't drop.

 

[rainmaker]

Anyone wanting to trade the pick, who exactly do you think we could get for the #6? Give me some names.

I don't see any impact vet that we could net for that pick, outside Lawson who I want nothing to do with. I'm generally not against trading it but I see a barren landscape when it comes to impact players we could get. You don't trade it for anything less than a starter.

 

[New Era]

It's time this front office to trade the pick, open the check book and change the losing culture for this team. I'm so tired of this bull**** here in Sac. It's like our rebuild got stuck in a God damn time warp. We've got a top 5 guy in Cousins, blow up everything around him and get some damn talent here to better compliment him. He's our best chance to get our team out of this living hell.

The problem is we have so many holes in our roster and not enough assets to fix them all. Sure we could trade the 6th pick, but it's not going to bring a solid All-Star here.

 

[fansinceday1]

no, you can't do that in the NBA or it makes the terrible Sixers tanking look like child's play. Wait until the next time there is a Lebron in the draft and you have no lottery. Have the league will be signing grandmas out of Aunt Edna's AARP Ladies Baskeketball League to start games by November.

Historically what happened was that the Houston Rockets got the #1 pick and took Ralph Sampson. Then they saw Hakeem Olajuwon popping up in the next draft and so they basically blatantly threw games to get the worst record. If they had to score on their own hoop, fake an injury, have half their team high on coke, didn't matter. So the lottery was instituted to try to put a stop to that level of nonsense.

I remember the 49ers having a legit chance to draft Andrew Luck. SUCK FOR LUCK. The fans would chant that toward the end of the season. Well, the 9ers did the opposite. They played themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes.

I just don't believe that NFL teams have more class than NBA teams.

 

[fansinceday1]

Anyone wanting to trade the pick, who exactly do you think we could get for the #6? Give me some names.

I don't see any impact vet that we could net for that pick, outside Lawson who I want nothing to do with. I'm generally not against trading it but I see a barren landscape when it comes to impact players we could get. You don't trade it for anything less than a starter.

If the kings pull a blockbuster it's gonna take more than just the #6 pick, if you know what I mean.......

 

[funkykingston]

I kinda agree with grant.

He thinks this may be the time that we trade our pick. Then kings cannot afford to wait for a young guy to develop. They need some quick results going into the new building. If they're in the lottery again next year there will be hell to pay.

The Kings won 29 games last season. If anyone can think of a vet who will (1) be a difference maker and (2) be attainable by trading the #6 pick in this draft I'd love to hear some names. The Kings aren't one piece away. They don't just need valuable role players to be a true contender. They need more talent. Period.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Anyone wanting to trade the pick, who exactly do you think we could get for the #6? Give me some names.

I don't see any impact vet that we could net for that pick, outside Lawson who I want nothing to do with. I'm generally not against trading it but I see a barren landscape when it comes to impact players we could get. You don't trade it for anything less than a starter.

amen!! its like the trade jt bandwagon. trade 4 who? who do we get back?

 

[206Fan]

If the kings pull a blockbuster it's gonna take more than just the #6 pick, if you know what I mean.......

There aren't many stars or valuable players on the trading block. We're not trading Cousins and I think that's already been said by Divac lol. Realistically, there just aren't many options that are out there for us. Maybe we trade our #6 pick to the Jazz for #12 and Burks. There just aren't many available options out there.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

So NBA doesn't even show those ping pong balls anymore. No way there's something shady going on behind the scenes, right?

They never did show the ping pong balls, certainly not since the "combination" era, which is about the last 20 years.

And no, there's not likely anything shady going on behind the scenes, considering each team has a representative in the room. (Not the public representative on the stage - an actual representative observing the lottery draw.)

 

[Kings Faithful]

Yea he's a bit older than everyone else in the draft. He provides instant rim protection and perimeter defense. Can guard positions 2-5. 7'0 C that does everything on defense. Hustle player that'll bring energy everynight. He'll live off of putbacks and alley oops on offense.

We need a starting PG who can toss him said ally-oops. Miller is great but is only good for 10-15 minutes per night. I like Collison but he's more of an attacker than a distributor.

 

[Bricklayer]

Anyone wanting to trade the pick, who exactly do you think we could get for the #6? Give me some names.

I don't see any impact vet that we could net for that pick, outside Lawson who I want nothing to do with. I'm generally not against trading it but I see a barren landscape when it comes to impact players we could get. You don't trade it for anything less than a starter.

Well, Ainge has been making noise about WCS. You could go after Bradley and...not sure who the "and" would be. But Bradley would add perimeter defense Karl has been looking for.

You could go after KMart from Minny, dump Landry in the process.

You could obviously try to package it into Denver for Lawson, no idea what they are up to over there though.

Obviously if you could match salaries you have your pick of Nets.

etc. #6 isn't #1, but it can still shake loose midlevel guys in a strong draft.

I'm not saying any of those kind of things is truly exciting nor necessarily something I would do, but then again WCS projects more as a nice fitting roleplayer than a major star himself, so its not as if you are giving up on a guy who was going to be your #1 option.

 

[Hoovtrain]

I remember the 49ers having a legit chance to draft Andrew Luck. SUCK FOR LUCK. The fans would chant that toward the end of the season. Well, the 9ers did the opposite. They played themselves out of the Luck sweepstakes.

I just don't believe that NFL teams have more class than NBA teams.

You sure about that? Niners were too busy going 13-3 and gunning for the SB to worry about Luck

 

[ockingsfan]

Wow!

Lakers #2 and Knicks #4.

Plus, how many times is Minnesota and Cleveland going to win the freaking lottery!

I thought David Stern retired already

 

[Bricklayer]

Wow!

Lakers #2 and Knicks #4.

Plus, how many times is Minnesota and Cleveland going to win the freaking lottery!

I thought David Stern retired already

Um...you realize #4 was as far as the Knicks could sink right?

Lakers got a little lucky, but then again they had the best chance to move up of any of the teams. Not like they had the 11th worst record and 2% chance of moving up.

 

[SacTownKid]

We need a starting PG who can toss him said ally-oops. Miller is great but is only good for 10-15 minutes per night. I like Collison but he's more of an attacker than a distributor.

Not really. You need a PG that gets the ball where it belongs (Cousins or Gay) then gladly steps out of the way. I say let Cuz throw the alley oops if he can't get a good look at the rim. The Kings tried to put high usage PG's with Cousins, it didn't work. The only real success Cousins has ever had with any PG is when he had Collison who will play defense, get the ball where it needs to be, and then set himself up a tent in the corner.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Wow!

Lakers #2 and Knicks #4.

Plus, how many times is Minnesota and Cleveland going to win the freaking lottery!

I thought David Stern retired already

Brick addressed some of this. On top of his comments, Minnesota, actually, has never won the lottery before. They have been in the ping-pong lottery now 19 times and only had their combo come up four times, with this being their first #1 overall pick. They were one of the unluckiest lottery teams by any measure coming into this lottery and they probably remain that way because they had a lot of luck left to make up.

 

[rainmaker]

Well, Ainge has been making noise about WCS. You could go after Bradley and...not sure who the "and" would be. But Bradley would add perimeter defense Karl has been looking for.

I'm not saying any of those kind of things is truly exciting nor necessarily something I would do, but then again WCS projects more as a nice fitting roleplayer than a major star himself, so its not as if you are giving up on a guy who was going to be your #1 option.

To trade for Bradley, who I'd consider but doubt Ainge would move, would require WCS falling to us and I likely am not pulling the trigger on that. There's no one else on Boston I'd want.

But looking around the league I don't see any clear starting caliber players who are on the trade block, not the slightest of rumors outside BK and I'm not interested in anyone they'd move.

Really, there's a number of guys who could answer a problem or two of ours who are FAs. Whether it's Matthews or Afflalo at the 2 or Robin Lopez, Asik, Koufas, that's likely where we're going to have to go hard and hope for some luck.

I'm not really interested in partly sacrificing this pick to move Landry, not with the huge jump in the cap next year. This just puts more pressure on us in free agency. Seems the trade value with our pick is if WCS falls to us and I'd keep him. If he doesn't, the pick loses trade value and then I consider going with upside with a guy like Porzingis and go hard after a SG in free agency and get a cheap backup center. As you know our starting lineup was fine last year outside SG, it was our bench which really killed us. Get a starting SG in free agency, go upside if CWS isn't there with a guy who should contribute off the bench in Porzingis and get a backup for Cuz.

I'd love more but I don't see it.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

One of Stanley Johnson/Mudiay/Russel/WCS will be available at 6. I'll take it. I doubt we get a super impressive trade offer that would really help us

 

[Merdiesel]

Anyone wanting to trade the pick, who exactly do you think we could get for the #6? Give me some names.

I don't see any impact vet that we could net for that pick, outside Lawson who I want nothing to do with. I'm generally not against trading it but I see a barren landscape when it comes to impact players we could get. You don't trade it for anything less than a starter.

It's called a temper tantrum damn it... Let us have our moment to vent. lol

 

[Spike]

I should've got the live chicken.

 

[rainmaker]

One of Stanley Johnson/Mudiay/Russel/WCS will be available at 6. I'll take it. I doubt we get a super impressive trade offer that would really help us

Yeah, but I'm not drafting a 2 or a 3. There's simply no way I'm taking a SG in a third straight draft nor am I taking a SF with Rudy here.

I've noticed this forum is quite anti-Euros. Only a handful have said they'd even consider drafting Porzingis yet if he comes near filling his potential he'd fill major weaknesses on both ends of the floor and pair extremely well with Cuz. For all the talk of wanting a shotblocker, he has extreme upside as an off the ball shotblocker. And what's holding him back from defending the post? His body maturing. That's it. He has the other tools. Could be a bust, but every year there's Americans which are busts at the top of the draft but it never carries the same bias as with Euros.

 

[CruzDude]

Kings need what WCS brings and if he is there at 6 it will be a very good draft and fitting in a much needed piece of the puzzle.

Keep in mind that Collison has not played one minute for George Karl this past season and DC is pretty good plus with Stockton showing some decent ball handling-passing ability and RayMac coming along the PG slot should be solid. The 2 and the 3 seem set. A rim defender 4 doesn't need to score much with the other 4 slots in good hands (Cuz/JT, Collison/RayMac, Ben/Nik, Rudy/Omri). Getting Willy could be the best overall if it happens plus a couple of good 3pt role players who can run all day and George will have what he may want. Don't forget Kings have Moreland with big upside who can play the 4. If the team buys in to team-running style and defense, that's what we all want. With a Willy guarding the paint along with Cuz and a couple of perimeter defenders-shooters, Kings will be on their way.

Now we all need to go to Summer League to see them play: Stockton/RayMac, Nik, Moreland, WCS (assuming...) which could be an awesome set of pieces.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Yeah, but I'm not drafting a 2 or a 3. There's simply no way I'm taking a SG in a third straight draft nor am I taking a SF with Rudy here.

I've noticed this forum is quite anti-Euros. Only a handful have said they'd even consider drafting Porzingis yet if he comes near filling his potential he'd fill major weaknesses on both ends of the floor and pair extremely well with Cuz. For all the talk of wanting a shotblocker, he has extreme upside as an off the ball shotblocker. And what's holding him back from defending the post? His body maturing. That's it. He has the other tools. Could be a bust, but every year there's Americans which are busts at the top of the draft but it never carries the same bias as with Euros.

You're right. So take that list i made and add Porzingis. Now at least 2 of those guys are still on the board at 6. id probably keep the pick unless a trade for a real game changer game along. And not Ty Lawson. We can probably get him without the pick

 

[John Galt]

I don't know if I've heard it quite this explicitly till now - although there have certainly been hints. Vivek is confident that DIVAC will draft well? It is Vlade's call apparently. I suppose everyone already knew this, but I kinda assumed PDA was still "gm". Seems his emasculation is about complete now.

Ailene Voisin ‏@ailene_voisin 6m6 minutes ago
Kings majority owner Vivek Ranadive watched Lottery in private room in Oracle with Warriors GM Bob Myers. Confident Divac will draft well

 

[Iced Espresso]

I don't know if I've heard it quite this explicitly till now - although there have certainly been hints. Vivek is confident that DIVAC will draft well? It is Vlade's call apparently. I suppose everyone already knew this, but I kinda assumed PDA was still "gm". Seems his emasculation is about complete now.

Ailene Voisin ‏@ailene_voisin 6m6 minutes ago
Kings majority owner Vivek Ranadive watched Lottery in private room in Oracle with Warriors GM Bob Myers. Confident Divac will draft well

Finally a good executive decision in PR.

If you are going to trade the pick, hold your cards close to increase its value. If you are going to trust your people, trust your people.

 

[Gary]

So we most likely get WCS.. Isn't that who everyone wanted in the first place?

I am fine with it because we didn't move down.

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Ailene Voisin ‏@ailene_voisin 6m6 minutes ago
Kings majority owner Vivek Ranadive watched Lottery in private room in Oracle with Warriors GM Bob Myers. Confident Divac will draft well

Kings owner watching the draft lottery in the Warriors building with the Warriors GM.....