More hope...... maybe I shouldn't (Rubio rumor)
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Taking the Trade Idea 1 step Further
If any of you have read some of my few posts on here, you know I am all for getting more picks in this draft and taking calculated risks. I had a few more thoughts on this idea to get #5 from Washington.
I like the KT + Greene + 3 Mil. for Haywood, Stevenson, Songaila & the #5 pick. I think the trying to include Beno in this deal (while I love the Idea) would not fly. Wash is looking to cut salary. While this would eat up must of our cap space for this year, It would be a part of a larger rebuilding effort. Besides, the odds of us getting any free agents this year are pretty slim. The only one I really see helping us with the amount of $$ we have is M. Gortat from orlando and I doubt they let him walk.
I also see trading #31 to Detriot for 2 of their 3 second round picks. They are trying to rebuild for now and taking the guy who slipped out of the first round, instead of two guys who may not make the squad, makes more sence. I am thinking #'s 39 & 44. I think there are a ton of options with specific skills that could help the bench in this range.
I love D. Christmas as a deadly shooter off the bench at #39. At #44 you have options of an overseas guy to store for later (i.e. Lull, De Colo, Tepic, Claver, Beauboise, Macvan, Dasic or Norel) or take a chance on an energy/defensive guy. I like the idea someone else had of taking a long look at D. Carroll.
Looks Something Like this:
PG - PG with #4 Pick, Beno & PG with #23 Pick
SG - Martin, Stevenson & Christmas
SF - Noch, Garcia, & Carroll
PF - Thompson, #5 Pick Hill & Songila
C - Hawes & Haywoood
Not bad for a rebuilding club. I also like the defense added in the second group and bench with Stevenson, Hill & Carroll. Also, it gives the team some smaller tradable contracts. It probably won't make for a Huge improvment next year, but I think it gives the team pieces to build with. And with good draft picks in round 1 and 2 next year, I think it will help finish the rebuild and start the re-emergance.
If any of you have read some of my few posts on here, you know I am all for getting more picks in this draft and taking calculated risks. I had a few more thoughts on this idea to get #5 from Washington.
I like the KT + Greene + 3 Mil. for Haywood, Stevenson, Songaila & the #5 pick. I think the trying to include Beno in this deal (while I love the Idea) would not fly. Wash is looking to cut salary. While this would eat up must of our cap space for this year, It would be a part of a larger rebuilding effort. Besides, the odds of us getting any free agents this year are pretty slim. The only one I really see helping us with the amount of $$ we have is M. Gortat from orlando and I doubt they let him walk.
I also see trading #31 to Detriot for 2 of their 3 second round picks. They are trying to rebuild for now and taking the guy who slipped out of the first round, instead of two guys who may not make the squad, makes more sence. I am thinking #'s 39 & 44. I think there are a ton of options with specific skills that could help the bench in this range.
I love D. Christmas as a deadly shooter off the bench at #39. At #44 you have options of an overseas guy to store for later (i.e. Lull, De Colo, Tepic, Claver, Beauboise, Macvan, Dasic or Norel) or take a chance on an energy/defensive guy. I like the idea someone else had of taking a long look at D. Carroll.
Looks Something Like this:
PG - PG with #4 Pick, Beno & PG with #23 Pick
SG - Martin, Stevenson & Christmas
SF - Noch, Garcia, & Carroll
PF - Thompson, #5 Pick Hill & Songila
C - Hawes & Haywoood
Not bad for a rebuilding club. I also like the defense added in the second group and bench with Stevenson, Hill & Carroll. Also, it gives the team some smaller tradable contracts. It probably won't make for a Huge improvment next year, but I think it gives the team pieces to build with. And with good draft picks in round 1 and 2 next year, I think it will help finish the rebuild and start the re-emergance.
javale mcgee will be their starting center... if they want they can have beno kt and greene washingtons cutting salary then they can dump haywood and songalia at us. they get their back up point
seriously the wiz want to compete now while arenas is young, caron is still good, and jamison still has some value.
seriously the wiz want to compete now while arenas is young, caron is still good, and jamison still has some value.
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yes they do want to compete now, which ies exactly wehy they aren;t goign to trade away veteran starter types. Songaila sure -- they'd love to ditch that contract. But thinking we are just going to pillage them not only of their pick, but also multiple roleplayers they will need to compete is just highly unlikely unless the whole "compete now" thing is a smokescreen.
Rubio making waves
Rubio making waves...
http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2009/05/spanish_star_makes_waves_at_18.html
Rubio making waves...
http://www.oregonlive.com/nba/index.ssf/2009/05/spanish_star_makes_waves_at_18.html
I love it how when some writers talk about how a European prospect can bust, it's a risk specific to them being a European prospect and not just being a prospect like everyone else in the draft. They say the talent in Europe isn't near the NBA as if the 6'6 centers that Blake Griffin faced were. It sounds incredibly xenophobic.
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I think it's more track record than anything else. There have simply been a larger percentage of European players who have been busts (I have seen a study on a website, might be able to look it up later and post it).
I think the simple explanation is that a number with little track record looked great in drills. Right around the time when Peja, Dirk, etc. were coming into their own and now people are scared that every European player with below average athleticism is the next Darko, Skita or Bargnani. Personally, I am less concerned about Rubio because he has a long track record of success and has actually produced at the highest levels of European basketball already. He also was the Defensive Player of the Year, so even if his lateral movement prevents him from being a defensive star over here, it seems like he has the effort and instincts to avoid being a complete defensive liability.
I think the simple explanation is that a number with little track record looked great in drills. Right around the time when Peja, Dirk, etc. were coming into their own and now people are scared that every European player with below average athleticism is the next Darko, Skita or Bargnani. Personally, I am less concerned about Rubio because he has a long track record of success and has actually produced at the highest levels of European basketball already. He also was the Defensive Player of the Year, so even if his lateral movement prevents him from being a defensive star over here, it seems like he has the effort and instincts to avoid being a complete defensive liability.
While I agree there have been a number of euro's that have turned out to be busts, there have been just as many players that have been busts who were american born. While darko, tskitishvili, and bargnani have been some of the recent euro busts, although bargnani is improving, kwame and olowokandi were absolutely horrible, and so was adam morrison and dunleavey to name a few.
Eventhough euro players have a reputation for living up to expectations, I think just as many american players don't find success. Far less euro players enter the draft, so they are under a higher level of scrutiny,
Eventhough euro players have a reputation for living up to expectations, I think just as many american players don't find success. Far less euro players enter the draft, so they are under a higher level of scrutiny,
Not sure about that -- that's a low assist team up there. Roy is great, and Fernandez fun, but none of the forwards or bigs are passers at all. Know the theory was to put Bayless in there as a shoot first guy, but as things have evolved they may really just need an upgraded Blake more than anything else and let the shoot first guy be the BJax type 6th man.
So Rubio is only good for a team that already has a Spaniard on the team? Then why do the Kings want him?
No.
He's an ideal fit because they desperately need a PG and he's the best fit. It works for OKC because they need a SG who can shoot and handle the ball, and Bayless would be a real nice fit as a 3rd guard for them cuz Westbrook can guard two's. Either way as current and future rivals I don't see these teams helping each other out, but its a trade that makes sense.
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He's an ideal fit because they desperately need a PG and he's the best fit. It works for OKC because they need a SG who can shoot and handle the ball, and Bayless would be a real nice fit as a 3rd guard for them cuz Westbrook can guard two's. Either way as current and future rivals I don't see these teams helping each other out, but its a trade that makes sense.
