[Game] Kings @ Warriors 28 DEC 2015, 22:30 ET/19:30 PT

[Bricklayer]

That's because many people here play fantasy leagues or whatever and don't watch the teams play.

Quite the opposite.

Tyreke has been a huge factor for them for 2 years now -- it was him going bonkers that first helped Davis emerge at the end of 13-14. last year he was a +4.8 as the steady backcourt guy that made their playoff run go. This year he is a +12.0, which is near superstar level impact, as the guy who rescued their season. Davis himself is only a +9.1

So yes, I am sure there are the same idiots in New Orelans' fanbase you find in every fanbase, but just having some dumb fans doesn't trump the statistically trackable impact Reke has been having for several years now.

He's not a SF, and he's not a bench guy. When he's got the ball in his hands, Davis gets better, and so do the Pelicans.

 

[Henkel]

So is Rudy. His averages this season are damn near close to Melo but for half the price. I don't see how any knocks on Rudy wouldn't be said of Evans. People would still be frustrated every other game with him. NOLA is also worse than we are lol.

That quite a shift from "horrible disappointment" or whatever crap you abandoned for this new Rudy vs Tyreke bs. For someone who clearly watches a lot of Pelicans games, since you challenge other people on it I assume you'd never just talk out your ass, maybe you've noticed that Nola has been the team hardest hit by injury. That include Reke who's just coming back himself.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

But you're failing to see that he was one of the reasons NO made the playoffs.

Quiet as it's kept, the Pelicans have a better winning percentage over the last two seasons with Tyreke Evans (.532) than they have with Anthony Davis (.516).

 

[Merdiesel]

Did anyone actually watch the game? Or are we just looking at the box score here?

I get it.
Cousins wasn't doing **** tonight. His stats were not affecting the scoreboard the way they should.

But there is no denying that we were competing up to that point and stopped competing immediately after his stupid temper tantrum. It went from Omri's big night to welp there's the big cry baby again who can't step to Andrew ****ing Bogut. Immediately followed by a 15 point run by GS.

He wants his jersey in the rafters?
I don't remember Webber or Vlade ever quitting on their team because of 5 fouls and a bad night. In a tied ball game against the champs no less? Give me a ****ing break.

 

[Glenn]

Grant is wrong. He said that Cuz being tossed was a momentum changer. I must have been watching a different game. AND ..... on a day where Omri is amazing, we can stop crying about Cuz and give Omri some credit.

 

[peacelate]

Kings probably would have lost even with Cousins, but after his ejection Warriors went on a 15-0 run which essentially cemented the game.

 

[206Fan]

He tossed himself from a game he was almost out of anyway.

He tossed himself from his first game of the year.

It just was not a terribly significant event. It's not even the first, nor certainly the ugliest, ejection of the year for us.

His teammates deserve more from their #1 guy. Omri..of all people deserve more.

Cousins is a guy that his teammates are supposed to follow after. It feels like he just gave up and wanted to be thrown out.
Him getting thrown out is not a normality, but him not giving 100% out there every night is. Is this injury related? Maybe. Is this a constant problem? Yea it is.

The Kings don't have a short-term problem that can be fixed with just trading Cuz or throwing out Karl. This problem goes deep all the way to the FO...including Vlade. When Karl wanted disciplinary action against a player who cursed him out, Vlade rejected. What if this was Anderson who did it? He'd be off the team. This scares you a bit. Not because Vlade loves Cuz, but because it shows Vlade isn't letting his HC do his duties, nor is he giving him enough respect.

 

[Bricklayer]

Did anyone actually watch the game? Or are we just looking at the box score here?

I get it.
Cousins wasn't doing **** tonight. His stats were not affecting the scoreboard the way they should.

But there is no denying that we were competing up to that point and stopped competing immediately after his stupid temper tantrum. It went from Omri's big night to welp there's the big cry baby again who can't step to Andrew ****ing Bogut. Immediately followed by a 15 point run by GS.

He wants his jersey in the rafters?
I don't remember Webber or Vlade ever quitting on their team because of 5 fouls and a bad night. In a tied ball game against the champs no less? Give me a ****ing break.

Possibly. I didn't like the momentum possibilities. But alternately we were already in the process of getting beat, and lost out best player, technicals or no -- he was still gone with 5 fouls.

 

[fansinceday1]

Did anyone actually watch the game? Or are we just looking at the box score here?

I get it.
Cousins wasn't doing **** tonight. His stats were not affecting the scoreboard the way they should.

But there is no denying that we were competing up to that point and stopped competing immediately after his stupid temper tantrum. It went from Omri's big night to welp there's the big cry baby again who can't step to Andrew ****ing Bogut. Immediately followed by a 15 point run by GS.

He wants his jersey in the rafters?
I don't remember Webber or Vlade ever quitting on their team because of 5 fouls and a bad night. In a tied ball game against the champs no less? Give me a ****ing break.

Im gonna ask you the same, did you watch the game? How can people who supposedly watched the same game come away with 2 completely different observations?

The tide turned before halftime when curry went out of his head. Go back and read the thread. Quite a few of us pointed out we needed omri to go career to go into halftime with a marginal lead. The kings sure as hell didn't go into halftime with momentum. That belonged to the warriors. And quite a few of us could already see the writing on the wall.

Coming out of the half, they looked like the same disorganized team that started the game. Cousins was a major hinderance. I don't get how you people think cousins was making any difference in this game whatsoever? The kings played much better without him and rondo in the lineup. By the time he got ejected the warriors were already consistently hitting their 3's. The game was already a forgone conclusion.

 

[Showtime]

Quite the opposite.

Tyreke has been a huge factor for them for 2 years now -- it was him going bonkers that first helped Davis emerge at the end of 13-14. last year he was a +4.8 as the steady backcourt guy that made their playoff run go. This year he is a +12.0, which is near superstar level impact, as the guy who rescued their season. Davis himself is only a +9.1

So yes, I am sure there are the same idiots in New Orelans' fanbase you find in every fanbase, but just having some dumb fans doesn't trump the statistically trackable impact Reke has been having for several years now.

He's not a SF, and he's not a bench guy. When he's got the ball in his hands, Davis gets better, and so do the Pelicans.

Aren't they like 10-21 and scraping the bottom of their division?

Quiet as it's kept, the Pelicans have a better winning percentage over the last two seasons with Tyreke Evans (.532) than they have with Anthony Davis (.516).

As a hornet/pelican fan...speechless. Dude, just stop.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Both deserve blame.

I wasn't really picking on you. I was reading the comments and you just happened to talk about the coaching vs. personnel.

Comments like this in the thread makes me confused.

How can anyone say this lost is NOT part of Cuz's fault? That's mind blowing to me!

Being PART his fault, as in an equal share, is not what you insinuated. ALL his fault is a far, far cry from reality.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

As a hornet/pelican fan...speechless. Dude, just stop.

You're welcome to prove me wrong, if you think you can.

 

[hrdboild]

Eric Musselman, Reggie Theus, Kenny Natt, Paul Westphal, Keith Smart, Mike Malone, Ty Corbin, George Karl. It doesn't matter all that much who we have in uniform. We've had 1 head coach in the last 10 seasons who had the team progressing in a positive direction. Musselman had Mike Bibby, Kevin Martin, Ron Artest, and Brad Miller and won 33 games. Westphal had Tyreke, DeMarcus, Casspi, Dalembert, and Whiteside and won 24 games. George Karl has DeMarcus, Gay, Rondo, Collison, Casspi, and Koufos and we're now 12-19. We need to get somebody in that head coaching spot who's going to develop our players and then we need to back off and let them do their job. Until we do that nothing is going to change.

 

[peacelate]

Im gonna ask you the same, did you watch the game? How can people who supposedly watched the same game come away with 2 completely different observations?

The tied turned before halftime when curry went out of his head. Go back and read the thread. Quite a few of us pointed out we needed omri to go career to go into halftime with a marginal lead. The kings sure as hell didn't go into halftime with momentum. That belonged to the warriors.

Coming out of the half, they looked like the same disorganized team that started the game. Cousins was a major hinderance. I don't get how you people think cousins was making any difference in this game whatsoever? The kings played much better without him and rondo in the lineup. By the time he got ejected the warriors were already consistently hitting their 3's. The game was already a forgone conclusion.

It was 66-64 Kings when Cousins got ejected. If you think a 2 point lead is a guaranteed loss, you are crazy.

 

[Bricklayer]

His teammates deserve more from their #1 guy. Omri..of all people deserve more.

Cousins is a guy that his teammates are supposed to follow after. It feels like he just gave up and wanted to be thrown out.
Him getting thrown out is not a normality, but him not giving 100% out there every night is. Is this injury related? Maybe. Is this a constant problem? Yea it is.

The Kings don't have a short-term problem that can be fixed with just trading Cuz or throwing out Karl. This problem goes deep all the way to the FO...including Vlade. When Karl wanted disciplinary action against a player who cursed him out, Vlade rejected. What if this was Anderson who did it? He'd be off the team. This scares you a bit. Not because Vlade loves Cuz, but because it shows Vlade isn't letting his HC do his duties, nor is he giving him enough respect.

He gives him rather more respect than he is due.

An underling ever tried what Karl tried this summer and I'd have him drawn and quartered and stick his head on a pike out front as a warning not to **** with me.

Vlade soft handled Karl. He did the same for Cuz. This is Vlade we are talking about, not some idiot fan. He smooths waters and creates chemistry where there is none by consistently tamping down negative emotions. There was absolutely nothing to be gained by suspending Cousins. You would have to be an idiot to do that and think that it is how you reach Cousins. Vlade is not an idiot.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I think I need a technical and an ejection myself. Damn, I just wanted to watch us actually go head to head with them, with Rondo, with Boogie, and play some basketball. Instead, that gets taken out of the game in the first 3 minutes. I want to punch someone

 

[jcwkings]

Isaiah Thomas ‏@Isaiah_Thomas 5m5 minutes ago
There's somethings in life that won't ever change

Theres someone that has lived it.

 

[k_dubb90]

Aren't they like 10-21 and scraping the bottom of their division?

As a hornet/pelican fan...speechless. Dude, just stop.

He missed like the first two months of the season! Are you kidding me? He's the reason why they have started winning some games. You're probably of those guys who wanted to ship IT right?

 

[fansinceday1]

It was 66-64 Kings when Cousins got ejected. If you think a 2 point lead is a guaranteed loss, you are crazy.

I woulda bet you my house.
And it would have been a suckers bet. Jeez, is it really that hard to see whats going on on the basketball court? I would have made any bet ANYONE threw out there that the kings were gonna get steamrolled. The writing was on the wall!!!!

You do realize we were playing the warriors and not the 76ers, right?

 

[Bricklayer]

Aren't they like 10-21 and scraping the bottom of their division?

As a hornet/pelican fan...speechless. Dude, just stop.

Please don't claim to be a Pelicans fan, otherwise this would already be blatantly obvious to you:

Tyreke started the season injured. Since then:

Without Tyreke: 4-13
With Tyreke: 6-7

Before Tyreke returned they were just another week or two of disaster from blowing it up and tanking. Tyreke returns, they get competitive, and now they are back in it.

 

[Bosnian Diehard]

Isaiah Thomas ‏@Isaiah_Thomas 5m5 minutes ago
There's somethings in life that won't ever change

Theres someone that has lived it.

Obviously referring to Jason Thompson's post game.

 

[peacelate]

I woulda bet you my house.
And it would have been a suckers bet. Jeez, is it really that hard to see whats going on on the basketball court? I would have made any bet ANYONE threw out there that the kings were gonna get steamrolled. The writing was on the wall!!!!

You do realize we were playing the warriors and not the 76ers, right?

So what...the Warriors can't ever have a bad night? It would have been common sense to suggest the game would have been over after the first quarter, but that's why they play the game. Maybe they should have just forfeited this game since it was a guaranteed loss.

 

[Henkel]

Isaiah Thomas ‏@Isaiah_Thomas 5m5 minutes ago
There's somethings in life that won't ever change

Theres someone that has lived it.

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Y'all be so quick to think I'm talking about your team smh. I got a life too if u didn't know

 

[Ron]

I believe Omri just jumped to #1 in the league in 3PT% after they count in tonight's performance, with 48.7%.

Too bad it came in a loss... Missing DMC and Rondo for almost half a game is too much for this team to overcome.

 

[lawlman91]

Eye test, Cousins was great last year in the post, since defenders always bit on a jump hook he never really had. Now they've picked up on it, and I suspect DeMarcus isn't working on his post game because he is practicing the 3pt shot. Same with Rudy Gay. He's not posting up since he is forced to use his speed against bigger 4s. Hence, his off balance, one-footed shots. Not the turnaround jumpers of last year. Not the stop-on-a-dime "extension" that Jerry always talked about. Rudy is a long-butt 3. Not a 4.

 

[Bricklayer]

It was 66-64 Kings when Cousins got ejected. If you think a 2 point lead is a guaranteed loss, you are crazy.

And yet people continue to act like:

a) somehow Cousins' ejection is what caused him to leave the floor for us. HE HAD 5 FOULS. He was going to be gone for the entire Warriors run anyway.

b) somehow that a player, the lack of whom causes us to suddenly get blown out, should be traded so we can guarantee outsleves getting blown out every night. Woot. Good plan.

 

[jcwkings]

I woulda bet you my house.
And it would have been a suckers bet. Jeez, is it really that hard to see whats going on on the basketball court? I would have made any bet ANYONE threw out there that the kings were gonna get steamrolled. The writing was on the wall!!!!

It was obvious we were going to lose, but for your best player to basically give the team the middle finger and say "see you in the showers" when you are up, regardless of how momentum was going is SOFT. You do not want that on your team let alone the best player/tone setter. Its just sad how much people will continually defend this dude, they obviously have never been part of a team and not know how much chemistry impacts a team.

Again I will say it, The Boston Celtics are a playoff team with Isaiah Thomas as their best player surrounded by a bunch of average NBA talent. We are below mediocre with a top 10 player. Difference? Chemistry, effort, heart, proffesionalism. End of Story.

 

[fansinceday1]

So what...the Warriors can't ever have a bad night? It would have been common sense to suggest the game would have been over after the first quarter, but that's why they play the game. Maybe they should have just forfeited this game since it was a guaranteed loss.

Your trying to tell me I'm crazy to think a 2 point warrior lead isn't a guaranteed loss? I was 95% sure Omri wasn't gonna come out as hot as he was and he was the number 1 reason we were even in this game. We saw what happened, omri was blanketed by igudola. Game over.

Maybe I'm just able to process what I'm seeing better, i don't know. I kinda thought how this game ended was common sense. Cousins getting ejected was a non factor in this game.

 

[peacelate]

And yet people continue to act like:

a) somehow Cousins' ejection is what caused him to leave the floor for us. HE HAD 5 FOULS. He was going to be gone for the entire Warriors run anyway.

b) somehow that a player, the lack of whom causes us to suddenly get blown out, should be traded so we can guarantee outsleves getting blown out every night. Woot. Good plan.

You said it yourself that the Kings played better without Cousins in this game, so why would his being off the floor suddenly give the Warriors momentum? The ejection changed things.

 

[206Fan]

He gives him rather more respect than he is due.

An underling ever tried what Karl tried this summer and I'd have him drawn and quartered and stick his head on a pike out front as a warning not to **** with me.

Vlade soft handled Karl. He did the same for Cuz. This is Vlade we are talking about, not some idiot fan. He smooths waters and creates chemistry where there is none by consistently tamping down negative emotions. There was absolutely nothing to be gained by suspending Cousins. You would have to be an idiot to do that and think that it is how you reach Cousins. Vlade is not an idiot.

Not enough to suspend Cousins. Markieff Morris threw a towel in the direction of Hornacek. Hornacek is the same coach the Suns had in the hotseat in 2014/2015 and luckily survived to coach another year. Kieff gets a 2 game suspension.

The Kings can't give double-standards to players who need to be "reached".

A few people have said it in this thread, Cuz is not a leader. Why do we let him get away with cursing out his HC? I thought we were about helping him mature and disciplining him?
Vlade is not an idiot, and no it is not how you reach Cuz, but how the hell do you suppose Cuz will ever learn to respect Karl if this is the type of relationship the FO allows?

It's not even about Cuz.. it's about the screwed up FO. Every situation is unique, but a lot of our problems in the last 10 years are a direct result of the inept FO.