[Game] Kings @ Warriors 28 DEC 2015, 22:30 ET/19:30 PT
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a) We don't know that. What we do know is that the Warriors went on an immediate run and the game was lost.
b) Bullcrap. As someone who has been in the Cousins camp from the get go, my patience is wearing thin. There is room between wanting him gone and defending the indefensible. Some of us are fans of Cousins and just want him to get his head or whatever it is in the right place so he can lead this team to the wins that his talent makes me believe are possible. But hope can only carry on so long. The marathon continues.
b) Bullcrap. As someone who has been in the Cousins camp from the get go, my patience is wearing thin. There is room between wanting him gone and defending the indefensible. Some of us are fans of Cousins and just want him to get his head or whatever it is in the right place so he can lead this team to the wins that his talent makes me believe are possible. But hope can only carry on so long. The marathon continues.
Y'all be so quick to think I'm talking about your team smh. I got a life too if u didn't know
If I could have a guarantee that the 80% of you people who want cousins traded wouldn't be here for the following decade bi tch ing about what we USE TO HAVE, I might be on board. However, I've been a sports fan for too long. I can already see how this is going to turn out.
The grass is always greener on the other side to certain fans. Then they walk on that grass and its not really grass. It's crab grass and its hiding big urine spots that the dog has left.
The grass is always greener on the other side to certain fans. Then they walk on that grass and its not really grass. It's crab grass and its hiding big urine spots that the dog has left.
If we go down, we go down together.
Omri was having the best night of his career and plays his ass off every night. He deserved to have his road dog lay it out there tonight, earn his 6th foul and cheer him on from the bench with his team. Having an off night is ok. Deciding you're done halfway through just because "we'll I'm gonna foul out anyway.." is not.
I would like to add on, DeMarcus and Rudy are posting less because Rondo is out there. It's become more difficult to make the entry pass, and Rondo's man can help. We've seen this many times. So it's reasonable that Rudy and DeMarcus are practicing on things other than posting up. But that takes away what got us the advantage last year.
Yes, I calculated right.
Casspi is now the temporary NBA leader in 3PT%.
I'd rather have a quiet & boring game from him, with a shocking (home-winning-streak-breaking) W for the Kings...
Still...
http://stats.nba.com/leaders/#!/?PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=FG3_PCT
Casspi is now the temporary NBA leader in 3PT%.
I'd rather have a quiet & boring game from him, with a shocking (home-winning-streak-breaking) W for the Kings...
Still...
http://stats.nba.com/leaders/#!/?PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=FG3_PCT
Preface, I think I like Demarcus. I've read and seen enough to give him some props for the way he handles himself off the court. I haven't met him and I don't push judgment on anyone anyway. Having said that.. I 've watched the ejection sequence now a handful of times. Cuz definitely had a couple soft calls on him but the way he reacted was aweful. No excuses in my eyes. Its just a huge pile of team chemistry crap. I don't know how after watching that, anyone could say otherwise. He has done this consistently for years in a row now.. I'm tired of hearing the "he hasn't had good players around him" bs. I'm tired of hearing about all the coaches he's had to deal with. (I'll point out that some of them are gone because of him.) I've been on the fence regarding whether to trade him or not. I don't think I am anymore. This is just one night, yes. One in many that are too familiar. What I'm really tired of seeing is the attitude. I want to watch a happy team. A team that plays hard and has fun. This team can't do that with Cousins, imo*. He's not going to be a winner unless he's the second or third option on a team with another superstar. Rondo fits the bill in terms of leadership but for all that Rondo has been and is now, I don't think even he can help. Maybe if Cousins was playing with Carmelo or Z-Bo or something because then he would listen. I'm not mad, I guess I'm just at a personal conclusion.
I said nothing of the sort. Some other people have been trying to make that claim, and props to the bench in that second quarter. But Cuz was playing some nifty defense in the early game.
the clear disconnect is people a) claiming Cousins wasn't helping; and then b) claiming that Cousins getting kicked out cost us the game. Those two points don't interact well.
act is our bench played magnificently, and way over its head (well Casspi isn't bench, but still). But you aren't going to sustain that level of play long enough t beat the Warriors. You needed Cuz to join the party and push it forward. Unfortunately the real tragedy of his game was him letting himself get into such foul trouble. he was already lost to us before he got kicked out. Maybe we could have gambled with him for a few more minutes to start the 4th, but he wouldn't have been able to play defense anyway.
the clear disconnect is people a) claiming Cousins wasn't helping; and then b) claiming that Cousins getting kicked out cost us the game. Those two points don't interact well.
act is our bench played magnificently, and way over its head (well Casspi isn't bench, but still). But you aren't going to sustain that level of play long enough t beat the Warriors. You needed Cuz to join the party and push it forward. Unfortunately the real tragedy of his game was him letting himself get into such foul trouble. he was already lost to us before he got kicked out. Maybe we could have gambled with him for a few more minutes to start the 4th, but he wouldn't have been able to play defense anyway.
Cousins choked away the Blazer game....because he got impatient and frustrated and tonight was a continuation of that. Hot head gonna hot head.
I will be happy to detail how he lost us game vs Blazers including throwing a half court pass to no one that turned into a lay up (it is passers job not the recipient to make sure his target is in position to catch it instead of anticipating where he will be during such a critical time of the game!) jacking a three pointer that missed its mark by 8 feet to compound his previous mistake, missed a wide open Omri in corner and launched a brick, then stood flat footed and missed a crucial rebound because he couldn't be bothered to hustle.
This sequence of plays was the definition of choke. Cousins is so mentally weak. His victim mentality and "disease of me" clouds his judgment and makes him oblivious to time and situation. The goal is to win the game. Not to snarl at your opponent and kick dirt in his face and fight the refs every time they blow the whistle. His priorities are totally out of whack and it is disgusting to watch.
I think he becomes possessed to a degree like something out of the exorcist when he is on the court because he is a nice guy off the court (though bit narcissistic). But there is something about all the losing and adversity that seems inescapable from his psyche. This and he doesn't move as well and he used to.
The worst thing about the ejection tonight is that it was a legitimate foul call! But his explosion was not about that call. It was about every other call and wrongdoing by every other ref. This is how his distorted mind works. He is the victim and the world against him led by anyone in black and white striped shirt. This is not someone who leads teams to NBA wins.
If you are going to be irate and act like a crazy person at least have a legitimate reason to be pissed off!!! At least then I could grant the guy the right to be upset if the call was missed. I hope Cousins feels like a fool after watching the replay because he looked like a fool and he acted like a fool.
And as long as I am giving Cousins his just deserts before he got ejected he was trying to make up for lost time by monopolizing possessions by taking 4 shots in 3 minutes without any effort to move the ball or get Omri involved to ride his career performance.
As purist of the game I cannot emphasize how much I hate this type of basketball! No team in the history of basketball has won this way in which one player puts getting his before making the unselfish play, especially when said player leads the team in usage rate. (This reminds me of C-Webb after he came back from knee injury and ruined the chemistry of a 45 win team by jacking every time he touched the ball.)
I am not opposed to make Cousins quietly available in trade offers now and let teams bid against each other (Boston, Chicago, Orlando) and take the best offer. And any team that takes Cousins has to take Marco because Marco is horrible. I am not saying we need to dump him to highest bidder. But let's see if anyone wants to make us a grandfather offer. If the Magic want to give Hezonjoa, Oladipo and Vucevic, I am in.
(OM3I!!!! 36 PTS ON 9 FOR 12 3s TAKES HIS 3% to 48.7% With Dudley 0-1 on 3s his % slips to 48.1% WHICH MEANS OMRI IS #1 IN NBA IN 3s!! OM3I!!!)
I will be happy to detail how he lost us game vs Blazers including throwing a half court pass to no one that turned into a lay up (it is passers job not the recipient to make sure his target is in position to catch it instead of anticipating where he will be during such a critical time of the game!) jacking a three pointer that missed its mark by 8 feet to compound his previous mistake, missed a wide open Omri in corner and launched a brick, then stood flat footed and missed a crucial rebound because he couldn't be bothered to hustle.
This sequence of plays was the definition of choke. Cousins is so mentally weak. His victim mentality and "disease of me" clouds his judgment and makes him oblivious to time and situation. The goal is to win the game. Not to snarl at your opponent and kick dirt in his face and fight the refs every time they blow the whistle. His priorities are totally out of whack and it is disgusting to watch.
I think he becomes possessed to a degree like something out of the exorcist when he is on the court because he is a nice guy off the court (though bit narcissistic). But there is something about all the losing and adversity that seems inescapable from his psyche. This and he doesn't move as well and he used to.
The worst thing about the ejection tonight is that it was a legitimate foul call! But his explosion was not about that call. It was about every other call and wrongdoing by every other ref. This is how his distorted mind works. He is the victim and the world against him led by anyone in black and white striped shirt. This is not someone who leads teams to NBA wins.
If you are going to be irate and act like a crazy person at least have a legitimate reason to be pissed off!!! At least then I could grant the guy the right to be upset if the call was missed. I hope Cousins feels like a fool after watching the replay because he looked like a fool and he acted like a fool.
And as long as I am giving Cousins his just deserts before he got ejected he was trying to make up for lost time by monopolizing possessions by taking 4 shots in 3 minutes without any effort to move the ball or get Omri involved to ride his career performance.
As purist of the game I cannot emphasize how much I hate this type of basketball! No team in the history of basketball has won this way in which one player puts getting his before making the unselfish play, especially when said player leads the team in usage rate. (This reminds me of C-Webb after he came back from knee injury and ruined the chemistry of a 45 win team by jacking every time he touched the ball.)
I am not opposed to make Cousins quietly available in trade offers now and let teams bid against each other (Boston, Chicago, Orlando) and take the best offer. And any team that takes Cousins has to take Marco because Marco is horrible. I am not saying we need to dump him to highest bidder. But let's see if anyone wants to make us a grandfather offer. If the Magic want to give Hezonjoa, Oladipo and Vucevic, I am in.
(OM3I!!!! 36 PTS ON 9 FOR 12 3s TAKES HIS 3% to 48.7% With Dudley 0-1 on 3s his % slips to 48.1% WHICH MEANS OMRI IS #1 IN NBA IN 3s!! OM3I!!!)
I have no idea at all what makes you think we were about disciplining DeMarcus Cousins. That's just dim. Its fundamentally as bad a read as you could have on Cousins to think that would work for a second. He is the ultimate anti-authoritarian. he is reached through friendship, not disciplinarians.
As for "respecting Karl". He's already taken far more from Karl than I ever thought he would, or than I would have myself.
As for "respecting Karl". He's already taken far more from Karl than I ever thought he would, or than I would have myself.
It's like the Dodgers going out and spending tons of money on talented players but they never make it deep into the playoffs even though they were good on paper. Plagued by toxic attitudes and chemistry took them down. Heck I saw their manager get cussed out on live TV. Sound familiar? I can't see why anyone would not agree that having heart and professionalism would be worse than having a guy who is potentially HOF talent. And his inside game is really suffering in addition to being out of shape and injury prone.
Indeed, but that had little to do with being kicked out.
This isn't about that anyway. People are frequently dumb and emotional about things, as bad as Cousins himself. Cousins actions after picking up his 5th foul of the game might have nudged the results in this one single game 5% one way or there other, but that's about it. If he gets tossed with only 1 foul, then that's inexcusable, maybe he carries us home. But he was already just about out of this game. I was frankly more concerned where his head was before the event than after.
Its just an excuse for people to grind old axes, Grant included
This isn't about that anyway. People are frequently dumb and emotional about things, as bad as Cousins himself. Cousins actions after picking up his 5th foul of the game might have nudged the results in this one single game 5% one way or there other, but that's about it. If he gets tossed with only 1 foul, then that's inexcusable, maybe he carries us home. But he was already just about out of this game. I was frankly more concerned where his head was before the event than after.
Its just an excuse for people to grind old axes, Grant included
This is the NBA, not kiddie league.
Have a HOF talent, or hopefully more than one, or you might as well not even play come spring. Isaiah Thomas is "leading" (well, chucking) an 8th seeded Boston team that will get squished like a bug when things get serious. That's the fate of all " heart and professionalism" nonsense in this sport. You can do heart and professionalism in hockey, not basketball. Basketball is the most predictable and individualistic of all the sports -- one player can dominate games. A team built correctly around said player can dominate the league.
Oh, and the whole line is nonsense anyway when applied to Cousins. Complete nonsense unless you can explain how the team wins far far less games without the cancer than with. In fact almost can't win a game without the cancer. There is no answer there for you btw, just a feeble excuse. Its better to just try to ignore it and hope I quit bringing it up like the other people who are just as wrong on this issue as you are. There is a fatal hole in your logic on this one.
You are wrong about Cousins impact on this team.
Just wrong. His positives quite obviously, and statistically irrefutably, far outweigh his negatives. People can cry about his relationship with refs all they want. It still is just a footnote to his impact on the scoreboard. If it seems like any more to somebody, then that says a lot more about that person than it does about Cousins. Its been a minor impediment at best for some time now. Before tonight, no ejections, playing more minutes than he ever has, not been a significant issue.
Have a HOF talent, or hopefully more than one, or you might as well not even play come spring. Isaiah Thomas is "leading" (well, chucking) an 8th seeded Boston team that will get squished like a bug when things get serious. That's the fate of all " heart and professionalism" nonsense in this sport. You can do heart and professionalism in hockey, not basketball. Basketball is the most predictable and individualistic of all the sports -- one player can dominate games. A team built correctly around said player can dominate the league.
Oh, and the whole line is nonsense anyway when applied to Cousins. Complete nonsense unless you can explain how the team wins far far less games without the cancer than with. In fact almost can't win a game without the cancer. There is no answer there for you btw, just a feeble excuse. Its better to just try to ignore it and hope I quit bringing it up like the other people who are just as wrong on this issue as you are. There is a fatal hole in your logic on this one.
You are wrong about Cousins impact on this team.
Just wrong. His positives quite obviously, and statistically irrefutably, far outweigh his negatives. People can cry about his relationship with refs all they want. It still is just a footnote to his impact on the scoreboard. If it seems like any more to somebody, then that says a lot more about that person than it does about Cousins. Its been a minor impediment at best for some time now. Before tonight, no ejections, playing more minutes than he ever has, not been a significant issue.
I do think that Tyreke has looked a bit lost in Gentry's system (if you can even call whatever it is they are running a system). His decisions to attack or pass the ball haven't been as good this season, and he's not setting guys up like he was last season either. Certainly doesn't help that Eric Gordon is playing like cr*p. Haven't been watching that closely because I skip the minutes when Tyreke goes to the bench, but I think Holiday has been playing a lot better and is recovering and that's also contributed to their better wining %. As weird as it is to say this, I actually think that they were better under Monty Williams ... and that's about as bad as an insult you can give to Alvin Gentry.
My concerns attitude-wise are that when it comes to an emotional playoff series I feel like Cousins is almost guaranteed to get himself in foul trouble or thrown out or something of that sort. That's partly his typical attitude, but also he just paints a target on his own back and doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that a lot of true superstars get. And until we can actually build a team that does win games when he's out, we'll be squished like a bug when things get serious too (assuming we even make it to the playoffs, something I am not confident of taking for granted). This is something that can't be tested until we actually get there, of course.