[Game] Kings @ Cavaliers - 2/19/12

[ReinadelosReys]

For whatever its worth:

Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones Smart called foul on Evans a bad call. Evans said he hit the ball.





I'd need to see it again to call it

 

[rhythmless]

We need IMPACT role players, not dead weight like Salmons, obviously.

Chuck Hayes was supposed to be that guy. Who would you want? It's nice to say we need this and that, but another thing altogether to put together something that actually works, with a guy who wants to be here.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Will someone please tell me why on earth Evans continues to take his shot up with slight fade every freaking time?

Old habits die hard? I'd reckon that, in the heat of the moment, 15+ years of instinct trends to take over from 6+ months of training...

 

[VF21]

Reach in or not, that foul is never called 99 out of 100 times when there's .4 seconds left on the clock.

Thank you. That's why I referred to it as a bailout. But whatever... The Evans detractors will seize on this as another indication that he's unworthy of our faith and the Evans defenders will, most likely, either bang their heads in frustration or bow to the inevitable and just ignore the bashing.

 

[Tetsujin]

If Sessions didn't morph into Jason Terry in the second quarter, the course of this game is completely different

 

[cstorm]

Chuck Hayes was supposed to be that guy. Who would you want? It's nice to say we need this and that, but another thing altogether to put together something that actually works, with a guy who wants to be here.

This is the problem.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sure, they are the youngest team in the NBA, but that fact (in my eyes) can only hold for so long. Three years actually, we have been using that as a way to make ourselves feel better about terrible losses. I give lee-way and have my expectations very low, but these are the Cavs who were 6-8 at home, and we gave it away on a silver platter. Fans are not frustrated at the record, it is the incredible way we lose games. You can only teach and coach up to a certain point. If you have players with a low b-ball IQ, then coaching can only go so far. Only the wizards seem to have a greater collection of bad b-ball IQ then we do. I am frustrated because we lose games we shouldn't. Beating the thunder then losing five in a row... it is demoralizing for any fan. We go through the bumps and bruises, but lately that is all the Kings have provided. Winning cures a lot of these things.

People keep on complaining about how the excuse has been used for years -- reason for that: the Kings have gotten YOUNGER every single year. Hence even more error prone. One of the reasons I was advocating trading last eyar's pick. One of the reason's why I would not be against it again this year. You can't just keep on adding young guys forever wihtout being the Clippers. As is, we are very very young. And our only vets are very very bad. That's a recipe for underacheiving relative to talent. And yet we are still MILES ahead of where we were a few years ago, when we didn't have the talent at all. I'm becoming increasinlgly concerend that there are few Kings fans who know how to bake a cake, raise a child, learn a foreign language or anything else that takes time and requires patience while the final product is in unfinished form.

 

[rhythmless]

This is the problem.

And it goes so much deeper. A vet can only impart his calming influence, playoff tested smarts if he truly cares. You bring a guy who's on his last legs, with 1 or 2 years to go on his contract, and he really just wants to try and grab a ring afterwards. You'll get lackluster play and indifference to coaching these guys on the floor. You can't trade for a vet with pedigree and force him to babysit.

 

[Tetsujin]

People keep on complaining about how the excuse has been used for years -- reason for that: the Kings have gotten YOUNGER every single year. Hence even more error prone. One of the reasons I was advocating trading last eyar's pick. One of the reason's why I would not be against it again this year. You can't just keep on adding young guys forever wihtout being the Clippers. As is, we are very very young. And our only vets are very very bad. That's a recipe for underacheiving relative to talent. And yet we are still MILES ahead of where we were a few years ago, when we didn't have the talent at all. I'm becoming increasinlgly concerend that there are few Kings fans who know how to bake a cake, raise a child, learn a foreign language or anything else that takes time and requires patience while the final product is in unfinished form.

I can bake a child and raise a foreign language.

 

[Italics]

Coach not-so-smart at it again. Can't even coach these guys to wins against some of the worst teams in the NBA.

 

[PurpleHaze]

People keep on complaining about how the excuse has been used for years -- reason for that: the Kings have gotten YOUNGER every single year. Hence even more error prone. One of the reasons I was advocating trading last eyar's pick. One of the reason's why I would not be against it again this year. You can't just keep on adding young guys forever wihtout being the Clippers. As is, we are very very young. And our only vets are very very bad. That's a recipe for underacheiving relative to talent. And yet we are still MILES ahead of where we were a few years ago, when we didn't have the talent at all. I'm becoming increasinlgly concerend that there are few Kings fans who know how to bake a cake, raise a child, learn a foreign language or anything else that takes time and requires patience while the final product is in unfinished form.

And which current Kings players could that stuff? Just being a little sarcastic

 

[Tetsujin]

And which current Kings players could that stuff? Just being a little sarcastic

Probably not Hassan

 

[Dime Dropper]

Sorry guys, that was not a bailout call by the officials. That is always going to get called, simply because it's such an obvious foul. Ticky tacky ones are overlooked when the game is on the line, but you just simply CANNOT reach across the body of an attacking player, make contact and expect to get away with it. It was an incredibly poor decision by Tyreke to reach in like that, and ultimately cost us the game. Hopefully he'll learn from it. It sucks because the usual anti-Tyreke crowd will jump on it, and even worse because it spoiled a night that should have been ours thanks to the play of Isaiah.

 

[Kingster]

Isaiah Thomas was a star tonight. Absolutely fantastic for a rookie pg to do what he is doing. Wait for a couple of years, for the chemistry to develop with Cousins, for the outside shooting to get even better, for learning the in's and out's of the NBA. This guy is a leader. A true point guard. Very high basketball IQ. A winner. As Henry Turner said in the posgame, he's a guy to build around for this team. People refer to him as another Bobby Jackson. No, he's better than Bobby. Bobby didn't have half this guy's passing skills. Bobby was an outstanding point a minute guy, but he couldn't make a team better like IT.

The only time the offense really slowed down in this game was when IT wasn't in there or when Smart had him inexplicably go stand in the corner. Go figure on that one. Smart continues to outsmart himself. I guess I should be happy he didn't take him out in the 4th and have Jimmer replace him.

The emergence of IT is going to change Tyreke's role in a big way. Whether Smart likes or not, he's got to put the ball in ITs hands as the "lead" guard, not Tyreke. I think that's obvious to even the slow learners out there. That means Tyeke is going to have to readjust his game to being a 2 guard, or a 3 sometimes, go out there and play the tough D, move without the ball, get the ball as a finisher most of the time. The dribble, dribble, dribble of Tyreke continues to not work. Smart has just started to recognize that and as time goes on he will recognize it more and more, designing an offense for a very creative point guard - Isaiah Thomas.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

And it goes so much deeper. A vet can only impart his calming influence, playoff tested smarts if he truly cares. You bring a guy who's on his last legs, with 1 or 2 years to go on his contract, and he really just wants to try and grab a ring afterwards. You'll get lackluster play and indifference to coaching these guys on the floor. You can't trade for a vet with pedigree and force him to babysit.

We need a quarterback...for lack of a better analogy of our problems. Steve Nash-esque type guy...not very many I know, but that's what we lack.

 

[VF21]

We need a quarterback...for lack of a better analogy of our problems. Steve Nash-esque type guy...not very many I know, but that's what we lack.

We need Vlade2012.

 

[Bricklayer]

Isaiah Thomas was a star tonight. Absolutely fantastic for a rookie pg to do what he is doing. Wait for a couple of years, for the chemistry to develop with Cousins, for the outside shooting to get even better, for learning the in's and out's of the NBA. This guy is a leader. A true point guard. Very high basketball IQ. A winner. As Henry Turner said in the posgame, he's a guy to build around for this team. People refer to him as another Bobby Jackson. No, he's better than Bobby. Bobby didn't have half this guy's passing skills. Bobby was an outstanding point a minute guy, but he couldn't make a team better like IT.

The only time the offense really slowed down in this game was when IT wasn't in there or when Smart had him inexplicably go stand in the corner. Go figure on that one. Smart continues to outsmart himself. I guess I should be happy he didn't take him out in the 4th and have Jimmer replace him.

The emergence of IT is going to change Tyreke's role in a big way. Whether Smart likes or not, he's got to put the ball in ITs hands as the "lead" guard, not Tyreke. I think that's obvious to even the slow learners out there. That means Tyeke is going to have to readjust his game to being a 2 guard, or a 3 sometimes, go out there and play the tough D, move without the ball, get the ball as a finisher most of the time. The dribble, dribble, dribble of Tyreke continues to not work. Smart has just started to recognize that and as time goes on he will recognize it more and more, designing an offense for a very creative point guard - Isaiah Thomas.

As a Linsanity survivor, I have to ask that peopel try to remotely keep their heads on this one.

 

[rainmaker]

Isaiah Thomas was a star tonight. Absolutely fantastic for a rookie pg to do what he is doing. Wait for a couple of years, for the chemistry to develop with Cousins, for the outside shooting to get even better, for learning the in's and out's of the NBA. This guy is a leader. A true point guard. Very high basketball IQ. A winner. As Henry Turner said in the posgame, he's a guy to build around for this team. People refer to him as another Bobby Jackson. No, he's better than Bobby. Bobby didn't have half this guy's passing skills. Bobby was an outstanding point a minute guy, but he couldn't make a team better like IT.

The only time the offense really slowed down in this game was when IT wasn't in there or when Smart had him inexplicably go stand in the corner. Go figure on that one. Smart continues to outsmart himself. I guess I should be happy he didn't take him out in the 4th and have Jimmer replace him.

The emergence of IT is going to change Tyreke's role in a big way. Whether Smart likes or not, he's got to put the ball in ITs hands as the "lead" guard, not Tyreke. I think that's obvious to even the slow learners out there. That means Tyeke is going to have to readjust his game to being a 2 guard, or a 3 sometimes, go out there and play the tough D, move without the ball, get the ball as a finisher most of the time. The dribble, dribble, dribble of Tyreke continues to not work. Smart has just started to recognize that and as time goes on he will recognize it more and more, designing an offense for a very creative point guard - Isaiah Thomas.

Really....

Already better than BJax? Based on a game against Cle 2 months into his career? IT played great, but you're going pretty far overboard. If it's so clear he makes everyone better, why did Cousins/Reke/Thornton not get into any kind of a rhythm tonight?

 

[Fear the Putin]

Really....

Already better than BJax? Based on a game against Cle 2 months into his career? IT played great, but you're going pretty far overboard. If it's so clear he makes everyone better, why did Cousins/Reke/Thornton not get into any kind of a rhythm tonight?

I don't agree with his statement that he's better than BJax, but also disagree with your rhythm statement.

BJax played with a great team, while Isiah is playing on a young lottery team consisting of many individual players.

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't agree with his statement that he's better than BJax, but also disagree with your rhythm statement.

BJax played with a great team, while Isiah is playing on a young lottery team consisting of many individual players.

The rhythm statemnt felt accurate, I even posted somethign about it at halftime.

IT enters a lineup that ALREADY has jsut barely had enough room to get all of its weapons going at the same time. And he is an EXTREMELY high usuage player out there. Now if he wants to conintue threatening triple doubles then you make that work somehow. But if not, when you introduce an extremely high usage player into a lineup where there are barely enoguh touches to keep everybody in rhythm as is...

In the end, unless he is a triple double guy, IT may still be more 6th man than starter. The BJax comparison (except the part about him being better) could be apt. Come in firing and ball dominating with the backups and just change the game and there is no downside to that. But if you start and do that, and Cousins isn't consistently the focus, an Reke is turned into an off the bal player, and Thornton is reduced to a spot three point shooter who occasioanly forces somethign selfish just because he doesn't feel he's had the ball enoguh...well, then there's a real negative there. Barring another acquisition thoguh I just can't see how anybody else on the team could remotely beat out IT for that extra starting spot. Somebody who can shoot, pass, and scrap? Perfect...except he forces Reke out of position...and is high usage...and...

 

[Fear the Putin]

The rhythm statemnt felt accurate, I even posted somethign about it at halftime.

IT enters a lineup that ALREADY has jsut barely had enough room to get all of its weapons going at the same time. And he is an EXTREMELY high usuage player out there. Now if he wants to conintue threatening triple doubles then you make that work somehow. But if not, when you introduce an extremely high usage player into a lineup where there are barely enoguh touches to keep everybody in rhythm as is...

In the end, unless he is a triple double guy, IT may still be more 6th man than starter. The BJax comparison (except the part about him being better) could be apt. Come in firing and ball dominating with the backups and just change the game and there is no downside to that. But if you start and do that, and Cousins isn't consistently the focus, an Reke is turned into an off the bal player, and Thornton is reduced to a spot three point shooter who occasioanly forces somethign selfish just because he doesn't feel he's had the ball enoguh...well, then there's a real negative there. Barring another acquisition thoguh I just can't see how anybody else on the team could remotely beat out IT for that extra starting spot. Somebody who can shoot, pass, and scrap? Perfect...except he forces Reke out of position...and is high usage...and...

Isiah is not out there bombing away, but picking his spots. The fact that all the players need touches on the floor isn't the fault of Isiah, but rather the coaching staff's. He finds open men as much as he can while playing his glutes off.

 

[rainmaker]

I don't agree with his statement that he's better than BJax, but also disagree with your rhythm statement.

BJax played with a great team, while Isiah is playing on a young lottery team consisting of many individual players.

But what does that have to do with rhythm? The big 3 weren't in a rhythm tonight because of how much IT dominated the ball. Put up good numbers, but when we needed the others they weren't in the rhythm they're normally in. I find it odd when Reke puts up great all around numbers like IT did tonight, but others aren't involved enough, it's Reke's fault. Yet tonight when the big 3 clearly weren't in a rhythm, and weren't getting shots the way they normally do, it's not IT's fault(not a shot at you personally).

I thought IT played great. But if he's going to be our pg, it has to be to elevate our teams play. Playing Reke at sf could be such a negative that it negates the positive IT brings as a pg. My solution? Start IT/Reke in the backcourt, with Thornton as the 6th. Either that or IT goes back to the 6th man role. With the way he played, the former makes more sense. But if he wants to shoot 16 times per game, you simply can't have Reke/Thornton/Cousins in the lineup at the same time.

 

[The_Jamal]

Isiah is not out there bombing away, but picking his spots. The fact that all the players need touches on the floor isn't the fault of Isiah, but rather the coaching staff's. He finds open men as much as he can while playing his glutes off.

Yes and no. The kicker with putting up triple double type numbers is you have the ball a good chunk of the game. Meaning that extra time IT had the ball= less time for thornton and Reke. Which is fine, but we can't have 4 guys on the team who expect to put up 15+ shots a game and 3 guys who expect to be the main ball-handler on the court at the same time

 

[Arkitect]

But what does that have to do with rhythm? The big 3 weren't in a rhythm tonight because of how much IT dominated the ball. Put up good numbers, but when we needed the others they weren't in the rhythm they're normally in. I find it odd when Reke puts up great all around numbers like IT did tonight, but others aren't involved enough, it's Reke's fault. Yet tonight when the big 3 clearly weren't in a rhythm, and weren't getting shots the way they normally do, it's not IT's fault(not a shot at you personally).

I thought IT played great. But if he's going to be our pg, it has to be to elevate our teams play. Playing Reke at sf could be such a negative that it negates the positive IT brings as a pg. My solution? Start IT/Reke in the backcourt, with Thornton as the 6th. Either that or IT goes back to the 6th man role. With the way he played, the former makes more sense. But if he wants to shoot 16 times per game, you simply can't have Reke/Thornton/Cousins in the lineup at the same time.

I think that Thornton would be great off the bench and for the team to be successful with him on it in the future he may need to play from the bench, but my impression of his personality is that he would have problem with this.

 

[Fear the Putin]

But what does that have to do with rhythm? The big 3 weren't in a rhythm tonight because of how much IT dominated the ball. Put up good numbers, but when we needed the others they weren't in the rhythm they're normally in. I find it odd when Reke puts up great all around numbers like IT did tonight, but others aren't involved enough, it's Reke's fault. Yet tonight when the big 3 clearly weren't in a rhythm, and weren't getting shots the way they normally do, it's not IT's fault(not a shot at you personally).

I thought IT played great. But if he's going to be our pg, it has to be to elevate our teams play. Playing Reke at sf could be such a negative that it negates the positive IT brings as a pg. My solution? Start IT/Reke in the backcourt, with Thornton as the 6th. Either that or IT goes back to the 6th man role. With the way he played, the former makes more sense. But if he wants to shoot 16 times per game, you simply can't have Reke/Thornton/Cousins in the lineup at the same time.

I'll take it.

Start IT and Reke, bring Thornton off the bench as that Terry scoring haymaker.

Isiah was creating and a couple of his shot attempts were open shots that he received from his teammates. He didn't force the majority of his shots.

IT is a quick mother f, so he can take nearly all his opponents off the dribble and thus he has a lot of those open 8-10 footers open and/or floaters and he CAN and HAS been making them.

 

[The_Jamal]

I'll take it.

Start IT and Reke, bring Thornton off the bench as that Terry scoring haymaker.

Isiah was creating and a couple of his shot attempts were open shots that he received from his teammates. He didn't force the majority of his shots.

IT is a quick mother f, so he can take nearly all his opponents off the dribble and thus he has a lot of those open 8-10 footers open and/or floaters and he CAN and HAS been making them.

Go easy their bud. He's still only shooting 39% from the floor and 33% from 3. He's been a great addition, and I for one would love to see him get a string of starts to see how he does, but he's hardly been setting the world on fire (outside of tonights game)

 

[Fear the Putin]

Go easy their bud. He's still only shooting 39% from the floor and 33% from 3. He's been a great addition, and I for one would love to see him get a string of starts to see how he does, but he's hardly been setting the world on fire (outside of tonights game)

When he's getting minutes and is in a rhythm, IT is shooting far better than 39%.

His games earlier in the season where he was getting anywhere between half a minute to 10-12 minutes severely diluted his FG%