Kings @ Bobcats Game Thread (very early edition)

[VF21]

I agree. He has to hit and shoot.

But, Peja seems like the kind of guy that lets things into his head.

While Peja may have killed 5, I know Bibby and Miller killed more. Bibby wasted clock possession to get shots, Miller had 6 TOs.



I'm not Peja fan. In fact, I lean towards disliking his style of play ... but basing it on historical fact - this isn't the way Peja normally plays.

You didn't answer my question. Did you WATCH the game? At least two of Miller's turnovers were a direct result of being passed the ball when he wasn't open, didn't have a chance to do anything and was left holding the bag.

You're trying to compare Peja of old with the 2005 model. That's just not a fair or accurate comparison. For whatever reasons, Peja isn't Peja any more. I'm not sure who he is, but he's killing us.

 

[KP]

You didn't answer my question. Did you WATCH the game? At least two of Miller's turnovers were a direct result of being passed the ball when he wasn't open, didn't have a chance to do anything and was left holding the bag.

You're trying to compare Peja of old with the 2005 model. That's just not a fair or accurate comparison. For whatever reasons, Peja isn't Peja any more. I'm not sure who he is, but he's killing us.

Cough* Cough* Chris Webber...

 

[OHSacFan]

No wonder I don't usually tune into this thread. Look at that, Mike Bibby ties the game. God he sucks....and a rebound. And Kevin Martin....he's such a scrub.

Yep, look at that bum. Congrats nephew on the career night. I guess the next time I will get to see you play will be in late February. That seems to be the way it works. Consistant time on the floor will lead to consistant play, but, we all know that will never happen.

 

[AleksandarN]

To be fair, he's not the only one... but still going into this season I firmly believed he was the best player on this team.

Maybe Rick should do to Pedja and Brad what he did to Jwill when he was here. Bench them in the fourth quarter for a couple of games. Maybe that will send them a message.

 

[KiNgMyC]

I think not calling a time out in that situation is the best choice. There was enough time for Bibby to get up the court for a shot. If a timeout was called, Bobcats could have set up the defense or foul to prevent a three point shot.

 

[AleksandarN]

I noticed and commented in the PBP that Peja passed up multiple open shots and passed to either SAR or Miller with very little time left. I was puzzled then and I'm puzzled now... I would rather have seen Corliss out there and Peja on the bench because at least Corliss was putting forth genuine effort. I didn't see much of that from our starting small forward tonight at all.

I agree Pedja lost his confidence something has to be done.

 

[PacMan]

Maybe Rick should do to Pedja and Brad what he did to Jwill when he was here. Bench them in the fourth quarter for a couple of games. Maybe that will send them a message.

Makes no difference for Peja...he usually doesnt do much 4th quarter anyways...He probably likes it.

 

[playmaker0017]

You didn't answer my question. Did you WATCH the game?

Yes, I have LP. I watch every game.

At least two of Miller's turnovers were a direct result of being passed the ball when he wasn't open, didn't have a chance to do anything and was left holding the bag.

That's a weak excuse. Peja may have stalled the offense and forced Brad to take a dumb shot ... but Brad's TOs were Brad's TOs ... regardless of the amount of time on the clock.

I'm not sure who he is, but he's killing us.

No more so than Brad Miller deciding allow a new center to nightly annoint him as "biyatch". Heck, I think I saw a PG block Brad Miller tonight.

No more so than Mike Bibby doing his matador impression and then getting that stupid sullen look ... only to race down court and pop a covered jumper that he can smile about.

Peja is playing pretty dang bad. But, Miller and Bibby are allowing THEIR men to beat us more nights than not. At least Peja is trying out there on defense.

Heck, who am I kidding. I think all three of them stink to high heaven ... I'm just sick of Reef and Bonzi being the only one's that attempt to put a body in front of someone.

 

[VF21]

Cough* Cough* Chris Webber...

You do NOT want to even open that can right now...

 

[SacDoug]

The "core" played horribly. They lost this game.

Bibby did his best impersonation of Allan Iverson that he could. He just kept shooting and shooting no matter how many times he missed. Could someone please tell Bibby his clutch is slipping. I now wince when I see Bibby taking the last shot of the game.

Brad Miller handed the ball to the Cavs 6 times. Has he lost his nerve? He only took 6 shots. Maybe next game he can borrow 8 shots from Bibby.

Peja shot horribly. Peja + Bibby = 13 of 40 shooting. That is the game right there. The two worst shooters tonight took nearly half the shots the entire team took.

 

[OHSacFan]

Now we try to work a shot for Peja out of a timeout?

First, MB has to call the timeout. What was he thinking?

 

[AleksandarN]

Be angry at Peja all you want - but he isn't KILLING us. He just isn't helping us. He'll start hitting eventually ... it sucks to see him struggle, but come on ... this isn't Peja.

Bibby taking 24 shots is ridiculous. That HURTS us. Peja crunched the shot clock a few times, but he didn't shoot us out of the game.

What????????????

Some people are blind.

 

[playmaker0017]

Cough* Cough* Chris Webber...

Okay, this whole "Chris Webber" thing is getting old too.

Webber was a great player ... but if you think for one minute this team is significantly better with Webber right now, then you are sorely mistaken.

He's playing pretty god-awful in Philly. 19 shots to get 19 points. That's BAD. REAL BAD. He's getting boards, but with AI ... you should.

The ONLY reason this team might be doing better with Webber right now is because they would have committed to the post a LONG time ago rather than this freak moment in time.

 

[KP]

Okay, this whole "Chris Webber" thing is getting old too.

Webber was a great player ... but if you think for one minute this team is significantly better with Webber right now, then you are sorely mistaken.

He's playing pretty god-awful in Philly. 19 shots to get 19 points. That's BAD. REAL BAD. He's getting boards, but with AI ... you should.

The ONLY reason this team might be doing better with Webber right now is because they would have committed to the post a LONG time ago rather than this freak moment in time.

Whatever, this team is just fine without him you're right... . Peja is on Fire... Kings are killing everybody!

 

[playmaker0017]

What????????????

Some people are blind.

No, some people realize that 8-24 is terrible basketball.

Peja shot an abysmal 6-15. But, at least he curbed it.

When you shoot sub-40% ... you have to stop shooting or slow it down.

 

[KP]

No, some people realize that 8-24 is terrible basketball.

Peja shot an abysmal 6-15. But, at least he curbed it.

When you shoot sub-40% ... you have to stop shooting or slow it down.

Nah... you're blind.

 

[AriesMar27]

so... who is in the draft that petrie knows about that no one else does? cause this **** is killing me....

 

[BMiller52]

Whatever, this team is just fine without him you're right... . Peja is on Fire... Kings are killing everybody!

Including themselves! Let's have a fiesta!

 

[VF21]

Okay, this whole "Chris Webber" thing is getting old too.

Webber was a great player ... but if you think for one minute this team is significantly better with Webber right now, then you are sorely mistaken.

He's playing pretty god-awful in Philly. 19 shots to get 19 points. That's BAD. REAL BAD. He's getting boards, but with AI ... you should.

The ONLY reason this team might be doing better with Webber right now is because they would have committed to the post a LONG time ago rather than this freak moment in time.

Oh my ...

Playing pretty god-awful in Philly? Yeah, it's all about shots, isn't it? DOn't pay any attention to his 27/21 nights?

I cannot believe you.

At this point, you and I have nothing further to discuss because it's apparent you're just trying to bait people into saying things they'll regret.

Bibby, Bonzi, SAR, Webber and Miller would be something to tell your grandchildren about. And it could have happened.

Have a nice night.
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[playmaker0017]

Whatever, this team is just fine without him you're right... . Peja is on Fire... Kings are killing everybody!

Yes, and do you think adding another player shooting sub-45%, playing sub-par defense would put us on a winning streak?

Would it make a good 10 game difference?

No. I didn't think so.

The issue isn't with Webber or Webber's position.

The issues lie in defense. The issues lie in having no PG.

 

[Bricklayer]

Okay, this whole "Chris Webber" thing is getting old too.

Webber was a great player ... but if you think for one minute this team is significantly better with Webber right now, then you are sorely mistaken.

He's playing pretty god-awful in Philly. 19 shots to get 19 points. That's BAD. REAL BAD. He's getting boards, but with AI ... you should.

The ONLY reason this team might be doing better with Webber right now is because they would have committed to the post a LONG time ago rather than this freak moment in time.

I do have to wonder, in the wacky world of SAR fans has th4ere ever been a moment when you con sidered the possibility thta maybe just maybe the 500 career losses (or whatever it is) are not entirely coincidence? That the gaudy shooting percentages and pretty post plays maybe just maybe aren't doing anythign for a team's bottom line? That maybe those rebounds that other PFs just get by being lucky apparently can win or lose a game? Taht internal shotblocking and fearsomeness have been defining traits if every great and most of the good teams there are in this league?

Just curious.

 

[VF21]

First, MB has to call the timeout. What was he thinking?

Actually, Adelman was RIGHT next to Bibby on the sidelines. He didn't say a thing about a time out. I don't think you can blame Mike - if any blame is to be assessed - for not making the call.

And bottom line? I don't think it would have mattered. Bibby with the ball and 3.3 seconds left is just as good as the Kings with the ball and the Cats having a chance to set up a defense against a possible three. It was a crap shoot either way...and it shouldn't have gotten to that point.

 

[KP]

Yes, and do you think adding another player shooting sub-45%, playing sub-par defense would put us on a winning streak?

Would it make a good 10 game difference?

No. I didn't think so.

The issue isn't with Webber or Webber's position.

The issues lie in defense. The issues lie in having no PG.

LOL! yeah the Kings were no better with Webb last year... How could a reliable 20 and 10,and strong 4th quarter performances help? ... Whatever.

 

[playmaker0017]

Oh my ...

Playing pretty god-awful in Philly? Yeah, it's all about shots, isn't it? DOn't pay any attention to his 27/21 nights?

Exactly. Those are abberations. They happened, but aren't indicative of how he is truly performing on a nightly basis.

Even though I mentioned shots - it isn't just about shots. Although, 19 points on 19 shots is awful from the PF position.

His man is blanking him out every night. Go look at his defensive rankings and the production his opponent is getting against him. Chris Webber is NOT Chris Webber anymore. (and I'm a HUGE Chris Webber fan)

At this point, you and I have nothing further to discuss because it's apparent you're just trying to bait people into saying things they'll regret.

No, I'm not - and it's completely unfair of you to say ... especially since you are a mod.

 

[KP]

I do have to wonder, in the wacky world of SAR fans has th4ere ever been a moment when you con sidered the possibility thta maybe just maybe the 500 career losses (or whatever it is) are not entirely coincidence? That the gaudy shooting percentages and pretty post plays maybe just maybe aren't doing anythign for a team's bottom line? That maybe those rebounds that other PFs just get by being lucky apparently can win or lose a game? Taht internal shotblocking and fearsomeness have been defining traits if every great and most of the good teams there are in this league?

Just curious.

Preach.

 

[BMiller52]

I do have to wonder, in the wacky world of SAR fans has th4ere ever been a moment when you con sidered the possibility thta maybe just maybe the 500 career losses (or whatever it is) are not entirely coincidence? That the gaudy shooting percentages and pretty post plays maybe just maybe aren't doing anythign for a team's bottom line? That maybe those rebounds that other PFs just get by being lucky apparently can win or lose a game? Taht internal shotblocking and fearsomeness have been defining traits if every great and most of the good teams there are in this league?

Just curious.

It must hurt to watch your favorite player go through losing seasons his whole career despite being on different teams. Dude literally follows him around apparently.

 

[playmaker0017]

I do have to wonder, in the wacky world of SAR fans has th4ere ever been a moment when you con sidered the possibility thta maybe just maybe the 500 career losses (or whatever it is) are not entirely coincidence?

First, let me ask - why did this become about Shareef? I know this was directed towards me - so please why?

Instead of realizing that the old Kings teams and style of play is dead - you'd rather attack me.

But let me answer:

No, it wasn't a coincidence.

Lack of a cohesive team strategy. Lack of defense and the propensity to turn the ball over at 18-20 a night were the reasons for losses.

That the gaudy shooting percentages and pretty post plays maybe just maybe aren't doing anythign for a team's bottom line? That maybe those rebounds that other PFs just get by being lucky apparently can win or lose a game?

Yes, all those .5 extra rebounds.

Stats are important, but you have to read them too. Reef is only being outrebounded by his counter-part by .5 rebounds a night.

He's effectively blocking his man off the ball.

Not that I excuse him. I think 3 rebounds is abysmal and there is no excuse for it.

Taht internal shotblocking and fearsomeness have been defining traits if every great and most of the good teams there are in this league?

Ummm... yes... which is what I was saying about 2 pages back. Thanks for joining the conversation.

 

[KP]

First, let me ask - why did this become about Shareef? I know this was directed towards me - so please why?

Instead of realizing that the old Kings teams and style of play is dead - you'd rather attack me.

But let me answer:

No, it wasn't a coincidence.

Lack of a cohesive team strategy. Lack of defense and the propensity to turn the ball over at 18-20 a night were the reasons for losses.



Yes, all those .5 extra rebounds.

Stats are important, but you have to read them too. Reef is only being outrebounded by his counter-part by .5 rebounds a night.

He's effectively blocking his man off the ball.

Not that I excuse him. I think 3 rebounds is abysmal and there is no excuse for it.



Ummm... yes... which is what I was saying about 2 pages back. Thanks for joining the conversation.

Reef is avg 6.5 Webber 10.1 ...see the difference? Reef is a weak-*** rebounder...he sucks, he's awful on the boards, can I make it any clearer?

 

[VF21]

Chris Webber is NOT Chris Webber anymore. (and I'm a HUGE Chris Webber fan)

Bull. You're some guy from Texas who claims to be a Kings fan but actually doesn't like anyone but SAR.

You're not a huge Chris Webber fan. If you were, you'd be talking about how he's matured, how his game has morphed into something that is still very valuable.

Sorry, dude, but your shtick has gotten very tiresome.

 

[playmaker0017]

It must hurt to watch your favorite player go through losing seasons his whole career despite being on different teams. Dude literally follows him around apparently.

Yeah, it sucks.

But, it isn't like it follows him around. The only team that wasn't in the can BEFORE Reef got there was Sacramento.

He's easily the most efficient and arguably the best player on the team right now.

So, I guess I should ask King's fans if it hurts to watch their "Big 3" struggle so mightily and become the weak link on the starting unit?