Kings @ Bobcats Game Thread (very early edition)

[kennadog]

Every time I read an argument like this, I think of Smokey from Friday: "Why you gotta bring up old ****?"

It also reminds me that Smokey's asking of that question was conveniently timed after it was pointed out that he screwed up/was wrong...

:|

Ahhh, but I wasn't strongly on either side of the argument. I really hated to see Webber go and miss him a terribly. He took something intangible with him, not just stats. But since I didn't get to make the decision, I just hoped that it might work out for the Kings. Are the people totally against the trade happy this year to have the team suck, just so they can say, I told everyone so?

[Your response noted Love_Them_Kings]

 

[Bricklayer]

I could trade a $2 bottle of Triple Sec for a case of Dom Perignon, but if I'm trying to make a margarita...

Hate to be the one to break it to you but I think we traded our Triple Sec for three lukewarm half-drunk Budweisers.

 

[kennadog]

Hate to be the one to break it to you but I think we traded our Triple Sec for three lukewarm half-drunk Budweisers.

Ewwwwww.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Hate to be the one to break it to you but I think we traded our Triple Sec for three lukewarm half-drunk Budweisers.

Even that's being overly kind.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh my ...

Playing pretty god-awful in Philly? Yeah, it's all about shots, isn't it? DOn't pay any attention to his 27/21 nights?

I cannot believe you.

At this point, you and I have nothing further to discuss because it's apparent you're just trying to bait people into saying things they'll regret.

Bibby, Bonzi, SAR, Webber and Miller would be something to tell your grandchildren about. And it could have happened.

Have a nice night.
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General note to everyone: Keep your comments civil in this and other threads. Anything stepping over the line is going to be deleted without comment.

The one night you mean? Truthfully Webber hasn't been playing all that great in Philly, and he wouldn't help in the areas we need help in: mostly paint defense!!!!

Miller got owned once again! Something needs to be done. We can't have a Brad Miller as our last line of defense anymore. Just can't. Petrie! Are you listening?!

 

[kennadog]

I plead the Fifth.

LOL! Actually, I think I'd better go to bed early. I'm just totally depressed about this team at the moment. Hopefully a good night's sleep will restore some degree of silly, unwarranted optimism.

 

[kennadog]

we're much better off with a handful of magic beans, instead...

Without the magic.

 

[vj9999]

I've responded to Jerryaki via PM.

Just to clear the confusion other might have regarding BP, I have updated my avatar

 

[D-Mass]

Just to clear the confusion other might have regarding BP, I have updated my avatar

LOL...nice.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Just to clear the confusion other might have regarding BP, I have updated my avatar

Yay me! I guessed it right away.

 

[VF21]

Are the people totally against the trade happy this year to have the team suck, just so they can say, I told everyone so?

I only know about myself and Kingsgurl. In our case it isn't about saying "I told you so" because that doesn't make the hurt go away.

People found so many reasons to bash Webber so they could try and justify the trade. I've actually seen a couple of them admit they might have misspoken. That helps vindicate Webber and that's all that really mattered to me. I think he bore the brunt of a lot of misplaced anger and the scales needed to be put back in their proper alignment.

I hope that makes sense. Our beloved Kings are in need of our support now more than ever and looking back on what might have been certainly doesn't make it easier.

Here's to silly unwarranted optimisim. God, I miss it.

 

[SacTownKid]

You're right; whenever I see someone putting up 19 and 10, I immediately think to myself, "You know, he's not that great."

You're right; we're much better off with a handful of magic beans, instead...


[/sarcasm]

I am not going to get into some big arguement about how Webber sucks or whatever. Truth is, he doesn't. He is still a very good player. One that is not worth 20 million dollars a season for the next 3 years according to the Maloofs and Geoff Petrie. And comparing what we got in the trade for Chris Webber isn't fair when 2/3 of that trade see 0 playing time.

This team doesn't need Chris Webber IMO. Been there, done that. This team needs a new identity. I have noticed how little the Princeton offense is being used recently and we are still putting up 100+. Its time to cut the weak links. 25 games and this team is going nowhere and I could see just a few moves making a world of difference.

 

[thesanityannex]

There's a reason why 2/3 of that trade see 0 playing time; and it's not because the guys ahead of them in the rotation are lights-out, either..

What exactly is the reason though? I can't figure this out.

 

[GoGoGadget]

What exactly is the reason though? I can't figure this out.

Does it really matter in the context of this particular argument?

 

[thesanityannex]

Does it really matter in the context of this particular argument?

somewhat. when our bench produces absolutely nothing (martin doesn't count tonight, he got starter mins) i want to know why the webber three don't get a chance.

 

[thesanityannex]

They're not very good, that's the reason.

Bobby Jackson must not have been good, because he won sixth man of the year as well.

 

[SacTownKid]

When Elston Turner takes over the team I wonder if he'll play Skinner? Turner's supposed to be a big "defense" guy right?

 

[GoGoGadget]

somewhat. when our bench produces absolutely nothing (martin doesn't count tonight, he got starter mins) i want to know why the webber three don't get a chance.

Don't know the answer to that one. There are plenty of times when I'd like to see one of them get a chance, and they've all made contributions here and there throughout the season, but its not like any of the three have come in and played with any consistency either good or bad.

 

[thesanityannex]

Don't know the answer to that one. There are plenty of times when I'd like to see one of them get a chance, and they've all made contributions here and there throughout the season, but its not like any of the three have come in and played with any consistency either good or bad.

who can play a consistent two minutes a game?

 

[SacTownKid]

Don't know the answer to that one. There are plenty of times when I'd like to see one of them get a chance, and they've all made contributions here and there throughout the season, but its not like any of the three have come in and played with any consistency either good or bad.

Its impossible for a bench player to get inconsistent minutes and expect consistent results.

 

[Bricklayer]

Its impossible for a bench player to get inconsistent minutes and expect consistent results.

What's KTs excuse?

 

[GoGoGadget]

What's KTs excuse?

Maybe he's just THAT determined to prove to all that he absolutely cannot function when coming off the bench.

 

[SacTownKid]

What's KTs excuse?

He's getting 17 minutes a game and getting 6 pts and 4 rebounds. I don't really know if we can expect much more from this guy.

 

[Bricklayer]

Corliss is far more of a specialist. Reminds me more of the year Rodney Rogers won the 6MOY award -- has to be the perfect team situation and with a weak starter ahead of them.

Bobby was/is more of a universal -- EVERY team can use an explosive combo guard off the bench.

P.S. Bobby was the betetr 6th man the year Corliss won it too although Corliss di have a nice year there (and again, perfect situation -- weak starter, they needed a post scorer, hw was easily the best/only scorer off the bench, they had shotblockers behind him to cover his weakness defensively etc.).

 

[Bricklayer]

He's getting 17 minutes a game and getting 6 pts and 4 rebounds. I don't really know if we can expect much more from this guy.

And yet tongiht he gave us nothing.

Its not the minutes that make those guys unproductive and inconsistent.

 

[SacTownKid]

And yet tongiht he gave us nothing.

Its not the minutes that make those guys unproductive and inconsistent.

I wouldn't go that far. Kenny has proven in his career to be very servicable.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I wouldn't go that far. Kenny has proven in his career to be very servicable.

Yes.

But not as talented as Webb, which is where this whole conversation started.

This thread has looped around several times and it comes back to the core of the original discussion -- last season, the Kings traded down. Until something drastic happens to either the Kings or to Chris Webber, there is a legitimate argument that the team, as it exists right now, is less talented than it would be if Chris Webber was still here.

 

[SacTownKid]

Yes.

But not as talented as Webb, which is where this whole conversation started.

This thread has looped around several times and it comes back to the core of the original discussion -- last season, the Kings traded down. Until something drastic happens to either the Kings or to Chris Webber, there is a legitimate argument that the team, as it exists right now, is less talented than it would be if Chris Webber was still here.

I don't disagree one bit. I just disagree that these guys "aren't talented". Thats all.

 

[slugking50]

I don't disagree one bit. I just disagree that these guys "aren't talented". Thats all.

They are NBA Players of course they are "talented". Its just they arent talented enough to get the job done.






14 Pages is alot of posts against the bobcats.

 

[VF21]

It isn't that they aren't talented enough to get the job done, IMHO, so much as the particular combination isn't right.

It's like trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together and realizing you've got the pieces to three different ones.