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So what salary do we send to Boston?
Kings active in trade talks?
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Tetsujin
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In a perfect world, Landry and MT
Just something I read that I thought was interesting
Bill Duffy is Rondo's agent. Not to say there is anything here, but I always think it's interesting how much relationships and agents seem to help things play out. If it is true Rondo is the one holding it up, it's nice to know his agent may be helping to push him our way
Bill Duffy is Rondo's agent. Not to say there is anything here, but I always think it's interesting how much relationships and agents seem to help things play out. If it is true Rondo is the one holding it up, it's nice to know his agent may be helping to push him our way
Bricklayer
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this is the sort of monstrosity you have top put together if Wallace is involved. Doubt he was. Danny wants picks, and he can't get them and relief at the same time.
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6431518
rainmaker
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I brought that up a while back. Duffy is based out of Walnut Creek. Mastrov lives in the East Bay a short drive away. They hang out together. Been seen at GS games together. Mullin also lives down here. There's dialogue. Has to be.
Bricklayer
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That's what I was saying about the other way to play this is getting the Rondo ball rolling with our offer, and waiting at the other end of the chute gathering up all the goodies that shake loose.
BUT, thing is, that's a helluva package by us just to get back random goodies not named Rondo. Not to mention if Rondo is running around flashing I won't resign with you cards, why would he want to go to Toronto, unless he really is so simple as to say ooh, Toronto = #3 in the Least!
Pretty sure the Kings can split that trade into two trades, thereby removing the need for Landry to be included.
e.g., Thornton for Rondo and then DWill, Ben, and IT for Gerald Wallace.
KingsCitizen
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I support the management's case of only trading for Rondo if the guy commits long term to Sacramento. Otherwise, we can give the money to Lowry in the off season. Thornton is an ender next season, which makes him a nice trade asset even if we can't trade him now.
I still see a win-win move by the Kings going for next season if we keep our pick and not get Rondo
I still see a win-win move by the Kings going for next season if we keep our pick and not get Rondo
Tetsujin
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No we can't
I just compare Sanders and Henson: first anchors defense to a decent (for Milwaukee, of course) 1.05 ppp, the other - 1.13.
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I rather us try get Tony Allen and Larry Sanders than Rondo, I honestly don't see the fit with Rondo here, I don't think as good as he is that he's the right PG if we are going to build around Cousins/Gay.
Tetsujin
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Kingsfan23
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If the rumor is legit you then have to wonder where the FO stands with IT.. Either they feel he is a legit pg but just think of Rondo a tad higher or they are seriously looking to move him and we will have an eventful deadline
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KingMilz
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Something like that, but elite defence and shot blocking might I don't know. Regardless I'm just not sold on Rondo you don't have to give up so much for a position that is so stacked when there is cheaper better fits.
KingsCitizen
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My gut feeling is that FO will really try to move IT by trade deadline.
We will be fighting against ourselves come off season if we can't trade IT now.
I hope the rumors on Ridnour interest by the Kings is to get Ridnour + Sanders or Henson for IT + Landry (if we get Sanders) or MT if we go with (Henson).
Tetsujin
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Hasn't been elite in either of those categories this year and it's debateable as to how elite he was in defense last year as well. That contract looked alright coming off of his last season but after his string of bad play, ejections, and general personal issues, it's practically unconscionable to pick up that contract now. You can accept a crazy person role player defense big when it's Keon Clark, a bench guy getting payed a couple of million dollars. You can't accept accept a crazy person in a similar capacity when he's going to be making over ten million a year for the next four years.
I was on the Sanders train to start off the season but as it's progressed, his season has pretty decided to push me off the bandwagon.
randymoss1881
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Ivyjink another way we could trade this years pick is by offering Boston the right to swap picks on draft day.
ParniValjak
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I think the smart money would be on us getting a PG via a trade and a shot blocker via a draft. There are not many PGs in this draft class around where our pick is going to land but there will be a few solid bigs to select from.
I would not be surprised if we traded in an upgrade at PG for IT and other assets and draft a shot blocker.
I still think Lowry is one heck of a nice fit for this team. Gives us some excellent defence and sizzling offence. Not to mention a settling presence at PG.
I would not be surprised if we traded in an upgrade at PG for IT and other assets and draft a shot blocker.
I still think Lowry is one heck of a nice fit for this team. Gives us some excellent defence and sizzling offence. Not to mention a settling presence at PG.
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KingMilz
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Did have a career high 25 points or something against Denver than got his eye socket busted by Harden's elbow and he put together 5-6 straight games and was finally getting into form.
Bricklayer
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One real question there is Lowry and Gay did NOT mesh well in Toronto. Now, I can easily believe it was the stupid system etc., but it would obviously be no good to trade for him, have he and Gay seize up again, lose him in free agency etc. etc., I've always liked Lowry, advocated getting him on several occasions when Petrie should have damn well done something. But he's a different package level than Rondo.
KingsCitizen
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On other note. Cleveland will be packing Jarett Jack to the Nets.
Livingston is doing well in the Nets, would this mean Deron Williams is on the move?
Deron on this team would be awesome, though very unlikely to happen.
But then again, we never thought Gay would be here.
If FO wants commitment, Deron is tied to his contract for the next 5 years.
Livingston is doing well in the Nets, would this mean Deron Williams is on the move?
Deron on this team would be awesome, though very unlikely to happen.
But then again, we never thought Gay would be here.
If FO wants commitment, Deron is tied to his contract for the next 5 years.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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No suprise that Stein tweeted out our interest in Jack.
I'd listen. Honestly, I'd likely trade Thornton or Landry straight up for Jack, just give those guys a new place to try and figure things out ...
But these rumors get messy. Remember how there was a gray for Jimmer rumor about a week before the gay trade? The insiders got this right teams, but some of the wrong players. If we are dealing with Cleveland, I'd love to target Varajao, or even Deng as out future 2 if we can convince him to come back after this season. There were rumors that the Cavs might try an trade Deng before the deadline because they don't think they will be able to keep him.
A lot of options with Cleveland. A lot.
A simple Jack for Landry swap would allow us to keep JT as the long term 3rd big, which would be ideal.
Jack for Thornton sets up the starting SG spot for McLemore for the rest of the season and beyond, provided he shows us ANYTHING over the next few months.
Jack has had a tough year, but I think he's salvageable. Overpaid, but so is Landry and MT.
I'd listen. Honestly, I'd likely trade Thornton or Landry straight up for Jack, just give those guys a new place to try and figure things out ...
But these rumors get messy. Remember how there was a gray for Jimmer rumor about a week before the gay trade? The insiders got this right teams, but some of the wrong players. If we are dealing with Cleveland, I'd love to target Varajao, or even Deng as out future 2 if we can convince him to come back after this season. There were rumors that the Cavs might try an trade Deng before the deadline because they don't think they will be able to keep him.
A lot of options with Cleveland. A lot.
A simple Jack for Landry swap would allow us to keep JT as the long term 3rd big, which would be ideal.
Jack for Thornton sets up the starting SG spot for McLemore for the rest of the season and beyond, provided he shows us ANYTHING over the next few months.
Jack has had a tough year, but I think he's salvageable. Overpaid, but so is Landry and MT.
Jack for Landry is the only one I'd consider. He has a lot of money left on his deal and doesn't really fit a long term need. He'd be a backup pg and I'm not a fan of paying our backups so much. He likes to shoot and his defense is also average at best.
I honestly think the bigger problem was Gay and Derozan. They are the exact same player, right down to needing the ball to both get their points and get others involved. I think the problem for Gay in Toronto was two-fold: 1) they asked him to be "the guy"; and 2) he and Derozan were entirely redundant pieces on the wing.
Gay has played much better here, in part because he has been more efficient (no need to be the #1 option) and become a more willing passer. While Derozan hasn't become more efficient (he is now burdened with being the #1 option), he too has become a more willing passer, and he and Lowry are thriving together. If Lowry and Derozan can thrive together without Gay, I don't see any reason why Lowry and Gay can't thrive without Derozan.
Lowry shoots about 12 times per game, a number that is probably similar to Rondo. Having a defensive-minded point guard who shoots 12 times per game (with good 3 point range) gives you a lot more flexibility in the person you start at the 2. With the Pizza Guy, you almost have to have a 3 and D guy at the 2 position. That is why I worry most about standing pat at the deadline and resigning IT- I just don't see how he and McLemore work together long term with Gay and Cousins.
Landry for Jack would be fine by me. Any other deal to acquire Jack would make me unhappy.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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I think Jack for Thornton would be OK. 2 million less per year, of course Jack has 2 more years on his deal, but he's not THAT old. At 30 right now, he should be effective throughout the remainder of that deal, especially if Malone can fix him. I would think he can, but it's hard to say for sure.
And Jack has shown the ability to play the 2 in the past. I don't think IT is going be on this team much longer, and if MT is indeed traded for Jack, Jack provides some sort of veteran backup for McLemore. He should get plenty of minutes at the 1 and 2 to justify the money he'll be making .. once again, provided Malone gets him to play better.
Jack can also brings us a player who could potentially start for the rest of the season if we deal IT away for something other than a PG in return. We literally do not have another PG on the roster who can play the kind of minutes IT does. Jack could be that stop gap for 30 games, and if Jack got 30 MPG with Cousins and Gay, I'm sure his numbers would look a lot better. It wouldn't be hard for us to return his value to what it was after last season.
Ideally Landry is the guy we deal, but if Cleveland won't do that and they offer us Jack for Thornton, I think I'd pull the trigger. Or ask for Jack and Miles expiring for Outlaw and Thornton.
And Jack has shown the ability to play the 2 in the past. I don't think IT is going be on this team much longer, and if MT is indeed traded for Jack, Jack provides some sort of veteran backup for McLemore. He should get plenty of minutes at the 1 and 2 to justify the money he'll be making .. once again, provided Malone gets him to play better.
Jack can also brings us a player who could potentially start for the rest of the season if we deal IT away for something other than a PG in return. We literally do not have another PG on the roster who can play the kind of minutes IT does. Jack could be that stop gap for 30 games, and if Jack got 30 MPG with Cousins and Gay, I'm sure his numbers would look a lot better. It wouldn't be hard for us to return his value to what it was after last season.
Ideally Landry is the guy we deal, but if Cleveland won't do that and they offer us Jack for Thornton, I think I'd pull the trigger. Or ask for Jack and Miles expiring for Outlaw and Thornton.
I'd rather have Thornton.
After this season Thornton is a free agent. Jack is on the hook for at least two more with a team option for a third.
Next year MT becomes a nice, big expiring contract. And while Jack has been played at the 2 at times, if there's even a moment where he and IT are the backcourt for the Kings I'll be incredibly disappointed in the FO. Jarett Jack isn't a building piece going forward so why deal for him and be on the hook for his salary? The Kings should be looking to trim fat, not add it.
Jack can be a nice bench piece on a good team at a lower salary number. That's just not the situation the Kings are in and I don't see any positives that he would bring.
And what happened to the Kings looking to add a traditional pass first PG?
After this season Thornton is a free agent. Jack is on the hook for at least two more with a team option for a third.
Next year MT becomes a nice, big expiring contract. And while Jack has been played at the 2 at times, if there's even a moment where he and IT are the backcourt for the Kings I'll be incredibly disappointed in the FO. Jarett Jack isn't a building piece going forward so why deal for him and be on the hook for his salary? The Kings should be looking to trim fat, not add it.
Jack can be a nice bench piece on a good team at a lower salary number. That's just not the situation the Kings are in and I don't see any positives that he would bring.
And what happened to the Kings looking to add a traditional pass first PG?
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