Kings active in trade talks?

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IT looks on shaky ground for a multitude of reasons including financial, but I don't know if his market value is going to be equitable to his stats.
 
funkykingston said:
"That's actually my biggest concern. I'd be surprised if the Kings DIDN'T draft in the top 5 this year but I'm worried about D'Allessandro's eye for talent and ability to assemble a roster. Hey, if he was Ujiri or Hinkie who are absolutely trying to blow up their rosters with an eye towards the future I'd feel good. But he's clearly trying to retool the team to improve things and these moves are not working. Was Landry a good signing? Obviously he hasn't played yet but my guess is no based on fit though I guess time will tell. Was McLemore a good draft pick? It doesn't look that way right now. Was Rudy Gay a good acquisition? The Kings were 7-13 before the deal and have gone 4-8 since. On the other hand the Raptors were 7-12 before the deal and have gone 9-4 since with improved offensive AND defensive ratings. Combine that fact with Phoenix and Philadelphia playing better than expected and it means the GM who is trying to win now is out tanking the guys who are purposely tanking.

The Kings chances of getting a top five pick are actually high. And the future could be very rosy with the draft choice, trades, signings etc.

If we want to be pessimistic the correct target should be doubts about PDA's ability to assemble a winner.
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I agree with your overall logic but I think it's too much dissecting too soon. I knew that PDA inherited a mess but I didn't realize how bad it is until recently. We have our cornerstone player and one complementary player. ALL of the role players are offensively oriented with the exception of JT. NONE of our role players are defensively oriented other than Acy who happens to be undersized. I was thinking today about how the Kings and Thunder would look today if both teams swapped their two best players. This helped me realize that almost every player on the roster, with exception to Cousins and Gay, are the total opposite of what we need to be successful. All of our role players are completely redundant!

Now, PDA made one gigantic move to get rid of a chunk of our defensively offensive roster and brought back a big piece. We aren't going to start winning until we replace the rest of the redundant pieces with a much more defensively oriented roster. I expect the losses to flowith.
 
Bricklayer said:
Not that simple, as we quite obviously cannot afford to lose him without getting another quality PG back.

Next up:
shotblocker
roleplaying defenders
PG who passes
any SG who can play

If we're fence swinging though logically IT & Ben are our best pieces until we can unencumber that pick.
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Actually not one but TWO. As is we only have ONE serviceable PG with NO reasonable back up. Any trade including IT MUST bring back 2 point guards or we remain a team with only one PG and no back up.
 
Dime Dropper said:
Yep, but it's not worth the risk. Is he worth a top 5 pick? No. Is he worth 7-12? All things considered, yes. So protect the pick through 5. Taking the risk just because the odds aren't in our favour is not smart no matter what way you spin it. No one wants to be known to have traded the next Durant/Wade/whoever for Noah.

If Noah is worth 7-12, offer them 7-12. It really isn't worth the risk not protecting the pick.

Of course, this is all moot given that we can't actually trade this years pick until draft day.
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Bulls already got the pick from Cleveland for Deng right? If this team could land Noah, I'd easily give them that pick with only number 1 protection. He's a perfect fit for this team and outside of Parker I don't see the hype in this class. Wiggins looks like he'll be good, not great, and Embiid is basically going to do the same things but take years to be consistent at it.
 
SacTownKid said:
Bulls already got the pick from Cleveland for Deng right? If this team could land Noah, I'd easily give them that pick with only number 1 protection. He's a perfect fit for this team and outside of Parker I don't see the hype in this class. Wiggins looks like he'll be good, not great, and Embiid is basically going to do the same things but take years to be consistent at it.
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Yes, my mistake. Though we will disagree on the protection. It's not even certain that Parker will go first - far from it - so what happens if we protect the pick at the first spot but move into the top 3, and Wiggins, Embiid or Randle go first? You've just missed out on Parker.

Anyway, even though I like Embiid a lot, he scares me slightly more than he does others. I know Randle isn't an ideal fit, but I'd still have a hard time passing him up. He's a beast, and an extremely skilled one at that. He really does have superstar potential in my opinion. Be tempted to just take him and figure the rest out later if Parker is off the board. Anyway, this isn't the thread for that, and we may not get a top 5 pick, so no point continuing this line of thought here.
 
funkykingston said:
I don't agree with either point. The first is really a matter of opinion. The Kings have their star player in Cousins. Hard to have a really bleak future when you have a cornerstone to build around. Whether or not the front office knows what they are doing is a very legitimate question, but there's no reason that with the right moves the Kings can't begin an upward trajectory.

Secondly, as Padrino pointed out the Kings have the 4th worst record in the league behind the Bucks, Magic and Jazz. And it's not all that unlikely that by Friday they have the 2nd worst just behind Milwaukee. I would expect all three to lose their next game (Kings vs Portland & Utah vs OKC tonight, Orlando vs Portland tomorrow) but if the Jazz beat Cleveland on Friday and the Kings lose to the Magic at home they are suddenly only behind the Bucks in terms of winning (losing?) percentage.

Again, I root for the Kings to win every single game but if there was ever a year to be bad, this looks to be it. Despite PDA's attempts to really shake the roster up, the team is as bad as ever, record wise.

That's actually my biggest concern. I'd be surprised if the Kings DIDN'T draft in the top 5 this year but I'm worried about D'Allessandro's eye for talent and ability to assemble a roster. Hey, if he was Ujiri or Hinkie who are absolutely trying to blow up their rosters with an eye towards the future I'd feel good. But he's clearly trying to retool the team to improve things and these moves are not working. Was Landry a good signing? Obviously he hasn't played yet but my guess is no based on fit though I guess time will tell. Was McLemore a good draft pick? It doesn't look that way right now. Was Rudy Gay a good acquisition? The Kings were 7-13 before the deal and have gone 4-8 since. On the other hand the Raptors were 7-12 before the deal and have gone 9-4 since with improved offensive AND defensive ratings. Combine that fact with Phoenix and Philadelphia playing better than expected and it means the GM who is trying to win now is out tanking the guys who are purposely tanking.

The Kings chances of getting a top five pick are actually high. And the future could be very rosy with the draft choice, trades, signings etc.

If we want to be pessimistic the correct target should be doubts about PDA's ability to assemble a winner.
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Not saying you're right or wrong, but if you are questioning PDA's ability to assemble a roster, you also have to question whether Malone's ability as a coach. I'm not ready to go there with either yet, but if the team has more talent today than it had last year and our record is no better.....

Food for thought, but I'm actually giving this staff a pass for the first year. The have to disassemble a roster and remake the culture. That will take time.
 
Bricklayer said:
If he has 7 years left that's an argument FOR a trade, not against it.

DeMarcus Cousins leaves Sacramento in 4+ years time if you fart around and don't build him a winner.
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Your right but the bulls would want Ben to be added cause Noah is an elite player. A front court of DMC/Noah/Gay is elite one, we would need to shore up the backcourt and have landry and IT lead the 2nd unit.
 
Jerry (Chicago)
Are the bulls done trading? That about Kirk or Noah?

Chad Ford
(1:26 PM)
Don't think so. Lots of talk about those two as well as Boozer. I've said this in several of our last Tank Ranks, management has made the decision to tank this season. Coach isn't on board, but they can keep taking cards out of his hand to play.


Mclemore/JT/DWill for Noah
Give the bulls the shooter they need next to rose. Ford also says Chicago is trying to tank so that trade also makes them worse in sure they want a rose/parker pairing
 
randymoss1881 said:
Jerry (Chicago)
Are the bulls done trading? That about Kirk or Noah?

Chad Ford
(1:26 PM)
Don't think so. Lots of talk about those two as well as Boozer. I've said this in several of our last Tank Ranks, management has made the decision to tank this season. Coach isn't on board, but they can keep taking cards out of his hand to play.


Mclemore/JT/DWill for Noah
Give the bulls the shooter they need next to rose. Ford also says Chicago is trying to tank so that trade also makes them worse in sure they want a rose/parker pairing
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Even if I was in tank mode I wouldn't give up Noah. MLM has not not shown that he can shoot consistently so I doubt the bulls want him.. As for whether they want JT or DWILL I doubt it. Noah could fetch more value (i.e. large ending contract and draft picks).
 
So we traded Kevin Martin for 37 yr old Andre Miller. The Rockets got James Harden for Martin..what gives. lol. Miller is fine, but i would like to ship Thompson and see more pieces coming our way.
 
If I'm not mistaken there HAS to be another piece coming our way if we are trying to trade Thornton for Miller. Nuggets are over the cap and wouldn't be able to take on Thorntons salary otherwise.
 
Gary said:
Even if I was in tank mode I wouldn't give up Noah. MLM has not not shown that he can shoot consistently so I doubt the bulls want him.. As for whether they want JT or DWILL I doubt it. Noah could fetch more value (i.e. large ending contract and draft picks).
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The thing missing form that proffered package, is that Chicago now holds our pick. Meaning we can offer to take the protections off it for them and give it to them even if we make the Top 12. That has value. In fact in this draft it might have value to them even if we then improved so much we moved out of the Top 12, because they would still get our pick at #13 or whatever, whereas right now they have no way to get it at all (barring massive internal improvement with the same roster).
 
Lol at people trying to give up a draft pick for a washed up Noah
 
treach1976 said:
so does IT go to the bench if this trade goes down?
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No but he might get slightly less minutes and subbed out at the end of games if were winning and need defense. Andre will be the back up for sure.

Honestly I'm not sure why were interested in Miller. I mean I get it that we need defense but this guy was drafted in 1999. He's a real quick stop gap for a team that isn't even any good. Doesn't make any sense.
 
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